Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Irish 5/11: Gear Down, Flaps 30, Cleared To Land  
User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13642 times:

Good afternoon all and welcome to our next thread of 2011

Just a quick recap on what we saw during 4/11:
- Shannon's continuing decline in numbers, amid declines across the board
- The end of the Aer Lingus industrial dispute
- The first fatal accident involving a commercial flight in Ireland since 1968
- A renewed outbreak of hostilities between FR and the DAA
- More transfers of flights to T2
- The election - due next Friday, and the manifestos (which thus far haven't been too detailed on aviation issues)
- (Very) future planning for DUB, looking out to 2035

Here's a link to the old thread:

Irish 4/11: Spring Is In The Air! (by kaitak Feb 3 2011 in Civil Aviation)

What should we expect to see over the next few weeks?

- A new govt and transport minister, hopefully someone with a modicum of vision and interest in aviation and its potential
- Hopefully a first sight of EI's new A320 in retro colours?
- More volleys of verbal napalm between FR and the DAA
- More information on EI's Greenfield programme?


Buckle up; it's going to be a bumpy ride!

214 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13621 times:

An excellent four-part series called "Spreading our Wings" covering the early years of Aviation in Ireland was aired by RTE Radio a few years back. The series is available in the programme archive to listen back to if anyone is interested, it features some absolutely fantastic eyewitness accounts. I'd certainly recommend taking a listen.

Programme 1 - A Wing and a Prayer

A Wing and a Prayer starts in the early 30s, the era of the flying circus and the pioneering flyers whose daring exploits were closely followed by an enthralled public. We hear stories from Irish pilots that give us a flavour of those early days, including a hair-raising account of a flight from Dublin to London in 1936. As one passenger of the time remarked "every time you went up, something happened".

Programme 2 - Atlantic Adventures

This was a period from 1919 to the late 1930s when a successful crossing of the harsh Atlantic generated a level of public interest not seen again until the era of the cosmonauts and astronauts.

Programme 3 - War-Torn Skies

Gay Byrne introduces chapter three in a programme titled 'War-Torn Skies' This chapter finds us in 1940s wartime Ireland, a time when over 200 British and German aircraft crashed or forced-landed in this country.

Programme 4 - Old Ways and New Ways

In this, the final programme of the series, it's that period 1945 - 1962, that post-war spread of wings, which eventually saw the arrival of the passenger jet.

Spreading our Wings



.
Captain JJ Sullivan in 1997, at the controls of a vintage sister-ship of the Iolar, which was the first plane to fly with Aer Lingus in 1936.



.
The cockpit


.

Aer Lingus's first passenger terminal at Baldonnel, used for its first services in 1936.



.
Aer Lingus's first DC3 in wartime camoflage.

There's also a page with an extensive list of books about Irish Aviation for anyone looking for info about specific aspects of the history of aviation in Ireland - Most are now out of print but it should be possible to pick up second-hand copies online.

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/spreadingourwings/1066877.html.


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4105 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13441 times:

To its credit, RTE have produced some fine historical accounts on Irish Aviation, indeed its fair to say they do some marvellous factual programming (now, if only they could transfer that talent to entertainment...  )

On the subject of Ryanair and Aer Lingus cuts at Dublin, Ryanair have cut far more routes at Dublin in the last year - in fact Aer Lingus have added routes and in fact none have been cut from Dublin in the last year except Sofia and Riga (Sofia was cut very quickly after it launched, and the Riga service was switched to Vilnius), with Bristol, Aberdeen, Blackpool, Cardiff, Stuttgart, Izmir, Perpignan all added.

By contrast, FR have stopped Friedrichshafen, Bremen, Gothenburg, Dusseldorf Weeze, Malmo, Doncaster, Teeside, Bournemouth, cut Frequency on almost every route to the UK, and its two Domestic Irish routes, and added just Barcelona, Memmingen, Ibiza and returned to Fuerteventura.

This is one of Ryanair's biggest Lies ever!

The DAA were quick enough off the mark - they actually got their press release out first this time and put FR on the defensive.



Flown EI,FR,RE,EIR,VE,SI,TLA,BA,BE,BD,VX,MON,AF,YS,WX,KL,SK,LH,OK,OS,LX,IB,LTU,HLX,4U,SU,CO,DL,UA,AC,PR,MH,SQ,QF, EY, EK
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4105 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13427 times:

Some positive news:

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-...Million_Passengers_in_January.aspx

Traffic was up 1% at DUB in January. While nothing to jump for joy about, it at least hints towards a stabilisation in numbers, which of course is essential before any increase can be recorded!

With several new routes coming on stream now in the summer (and a couple as yet unannounced) one would have to be hopeful for some modest growth in the second half of the year.



Flown EI,FR,RE,EIR,VE,SI,TLA,BA,BE,BD,VX,MON,AF,YS,WX,KL,SK,LH,OK,OS,LX,IB,LTU,HLX,4U,SU,CO,DL,UA,AC,PR,MH,SQ,QF, EY, EK
User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26497 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 13376 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):

Hi Kaitak thanks for another thread we are indeed flying through them  

Great to see the disputes over long may it last.

Terminal 2 is looking great with its new anchor tenant.

Quoting EI320 (Reply 1):

RTE have come up with some great aviation productions I agree.


My latest TR is up . Flying Aer Lingus out of BFS is a very hassle free experience. I would fly alot more from there if it was as easy for me to get to from where I live. Due to transport links DUB is alot easier. The BFS crew on my flight were very good.

TAP Portugal J Class/MSC Cruise Liner & Aer Lingus (by oa260 Feb 18 2011 in Trip Reports)

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/TP/106_800x176.jpg



AEGEAN-OLYMPIC AIR - ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΚΗ " μέλος στη Star Alliance
User currently offlinestyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 13351 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 2):
On the subject of Ryanair and Aer Lingus cuts at Dublin, Ryanair have cut far more routes at Dublin in the last year - in fact Aer Lingus have added routes and in fact none have been cut from Dublin in the last year except Sofia and Riga (Sofia was cut very quickly after it launched, and the Riga service was switched to Vilnius), with Bristol, Aberdeen, Blackpool, Cardiff, Stuttgart, Izmir, Perpignan all added.

Didn't Aer Lingus also cut Shannon from its Dublin route network?



It is what it is.
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4105 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 23 hours ago) and read 13323 times:

Quoting Reply 5):
Didn't Aer Lingus also cut Shannon from its Dublin route network?

Sorry, yes you are correct Styles. I dont think that is even returning for this summer now that BOS has a new schedule from both DUB and SNN.

Its a real pain, as used that flight a lot. Ultimate in convenience, but its difficult to beat driving between DUB and SNN now which can be done in under 2 hours.



Flown EI,FR,RE,EIR,VE,SI,TLA,BA,BE,BD,VX,MON,AF,YS,WX,KL,SK,LH,OK,OS,LX,IB,LTU,HLX,4U,SU,CO,DL,UA,AC,PR,MH,SQ,QF, EY, EK
User currently offlineneutral From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 23 hours ago) and read 13324 times:

Quoting Reply 5):
Didn't Aer Lingus also cut Shannon from its Dublin route network?

This was only in later years part of the Boston/Shannon/Dublin service and not a Shannon/Dublin service


User currently offlinestyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 13188 times:

Quoting neutral (Reply 7):
This was only in later years part of the Boston/Shannon/Dublin service and not a Shannon/Dublin service

Regardless, it is still a route cut.



It is what it is.
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4105 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 13157 times:

OK, so for clarity, we have SOF, RIX, and SNN cut from the EI DUB schedule, and have ABZ,BRS,CWL,BLK,STR,PGF and ADB added.

I dont knock Ryanair for trying to secure the best deal for itself, but it is in no position to accuse anyone else of being "non growth" when it has been singularly responsible for the bulk of the traffic loss at Dublin with it's cuts.

By contrast, everyone else of any note has maintained, and in some cases actually increased their services.

It's just the lies that bother me, thats all - not the strategy.



Flown EI,FR,RE,EIR,VE,SI,TLA,BA,BE,BD,VX,MON,AF,YS,WX,KL,SK,LH,OK,OS,LX,IB,LTU,HLX,4U,SU,CO,DL,UA,AC,PR,MH,SQ,QF, EY, EK
User currently offlineneutral From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 13108 times:

I think Aer Lingus will be very happy that the Ryanair deal has collapsed on a separate note surely Aer Lingus passenger figures for this year will not decline too much after all the trimming down over the last 18 months

User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1447 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 13077 times:

"I think the dispute between FR and the DAA will run and run"

Just par for the course, has any airport ever got the FR seal of approval?
I see Girona is the latest to see the wrath of FR.
Looking at EI fares in the summer period, very substantially higher fares offered than last year which might backfire, given the weak demand for leisure travel. I understand that the ferry operators are doing very well, after ash, snow and strikes have revived interest. Perhaps time to try Holyhead again?


User currently offlineauntie From Ireland, joined Jan 2009, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 13006 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 11):
Perhaps time to try Holyhead again?

What a coincidence u should say that today! I was literally flying over the Irish sea this morning to LPL (for the grand total of Eur 20 return) and I was looking out the window thinking to myself; why would anyone go on the ferry when they could be there in a flash, like we were this morning

I have done the car journey to Liverpool a few times too, give me a flight there anyday!!


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3901 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 12977 times:

Quoting auntie (Reply 12):
I was looking out the window thinking to myself; why would anyone go on the ferry when they could be there in a flash, like we were this morning

I tend to use both services and there are pros and cons.

- Ferry takes a long time, costs about the same as air fare, but you can bring as much as you like, there are no security checks, baggage reclaim, etc, brilliant for families and people with pets (husbands, children, dogs, etc). Just rock up an hour, or less prior to departure. Roll on, roll off. Good for stays of weeks rather than days.

- Flying is much quicker, ideal for short stays. Last night I left Leeds at 6:40 and was in the door in cork by 11. By ferry I would have arrived at 7 this morning and have driven through the night. Of course there is the indignity of full body scans, security checks and limited baggage allowances.
It's horses for courses, to be honest.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1933 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 12873 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 9):
I dont knock Ryanair for trying to secure the best deal for itself, but it is in no position to accuse anyone else of being "non growth" when it has been singularly responsible for the bulk of the traffic loss at Dublin with it's cuts.

Not to mention the staggering losses at SNN which resulting in a court settlement being paid to the DAA/SAA for breach of contract by FR.



Next Flights: 18/04/14 QF1011 MEL-HBA; 21/04/14 JQ712 HBA-MEL
User currently offlineEI2KSEA From Ireland, joined Jul 2004, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 12756 times:

Does anyone have any updates on the previously announced Iceland Express flight KEF-DUB-KEF? I was doing some research for a trip home in June and noticed that BFS is available for booking but DUB is not. I hope this hasn't fallen into the 'quietly dropped' bin..


Next Flight: BOS-SFO (B6), OAK-KOA (AK), KOA-OGG (YV), OGG-HNL (HA), HNL-ATL-BOS (DL)
User currently offlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 12706 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting EI2KSEA (Reply 15):
Does anyone have any updates on the previously announced Iceland Express flight KEF-DUB-KEF? I was doing some research for a trip home in June and noticed that BFS is available for booking but DUB is not. I hope this hasn't fallen into the 'quietly dropped' bin..

Looks like they have dropped the DUB route.


See here for more discussion on it: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056180922


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4105 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 12581 times:

Quoting EI787 (Reply 16):

I wouldnt be at all surprised if this was a bilateral issue - you may remember last year that Air Moldova was due to start a Dublin - Chisinau route. Air Moldova mistakely believed that Ireland was part of the United Kingdom and that it had traffic rights based on that.

That was until the Department of Transport advised them that no, this is the Republic of Ireland, and Ireland and Moldova do not have an air services agreement in place at this time - consequently, the route had to be dropped.

Given that DUB was launched along with BFS and EDI, perhaps the same thing might have happened here??



Flown EI,FR,RE,EIR,VE,SI,TLA,BA,BE,BD,VX,MON,AF,YS,WX,KL,SK,LH,OK,OS,LX,IB,LTU,HLX,4U,SU,CO,DL,UA,AC,PR,MH,SQ,QF, EY, EK
User currently offlinelasno From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months ago) and read 12504 times:

Iceland already participates in the EU single market for air transport so would a bilateral agreement be necessary?

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4105 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months ago) and read 12501 times:

Quoting lasno (Reply 18):
Iceland already participates in the EU single market for air transport so would a bilateral agreement be necessary?

In that case, no!

Sorry, I had forgotten Iceland was a signatory!

Seems strange to drop DUB and keep EDI and BFS when DUB is the larger market of the three, but perhaps Iceland is more popular in NI and Scotland.



Flown EI,FR,RE,EIR,VE,SI,TLA,BA,BE,BD,VX,MON,AF,YS,WX,KL,SK,LH,OK,OS,LX,IB,LTU,HLX,4U,SU,CO,DL,UA,AC,PR,MH,SQ,QF, EY, EK
User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2808 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12425 times:

Quoting neutral (Reply 7):

This was only in later years part of the Boston/Shannon/Dublin service and not a Shannon/Dublin service

I wouldn't downplay the SNN-DUB route at all. It did take revenue passengers after all and had up to two return flights per day in its peak regardless of being part of the DUB/SNN/BOS or DUB/SNN/ORD routes. It still leaves a gap in the SNN route network if you ask me.

Quoting Reply 8):
Regardless, it is still a route cut.

  

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 11):
Just par for the course, has any airport ever got the FR seal of approval?

The Canary Islands airports? Apparantely Ryanair are always singing their praises because the airport charges are 0.



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4105 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12412 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 20):
The Canary Islands airports? Apparantely Ryanair are always singing their praises because the airport charges are 0.

Even the Canaries have drawn the Ire of Ryanair before - remember the famous pull out from Fuerteventura? FR really have the Canarian airports by the balls, because Tourism is THE industry on the islands. The industry was being decimated during the global downturn, so FR were brought in to kickstart growth.

It is a worthwhile strategy for the Canaries because their economies are so tourism dependent that any drop hurts everyone living on the islands, and if you are that dependent, then whatever airport costs are incurred would pale into insignificance against the total loss in tax revenues brought in by tourism.

I have only ever heard FR praise Madrid, Bergamo and Beauvais, but im sure one or all will end up pissing his holyness off at some point also.



Flown EI,FR,RE,EIR,VE,SI,TLA,BA,BE,BD,VX,MON,AF,YS,WX,KL,SK,LH,OK,OS,LX,IB,LTU,HLX,4U,SU,CO,DL,UA,AC,PR,MH,SQ,QF, EY, EK
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26497 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12302 times:

Quoting lasno (Reply 18):
Iceland already participates in the EU single market for air transport so would a bilateral agreement be necessary?

I was wondering that myself.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 17):
Moldova was due to start a Dublin - Chisinau route

Quite a few carriers in the past have made that mistake even Irish based Tour Operators.



AEGEAN-OLYMPIC AIR - ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΚΗ " μέλος στη Star Alliance
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4105 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12287 times:

Clowns. You would think people in the travel trade would have basic geography skills, wouldn't you?


Flown EI,FR,RE,EIR,VE,SI,TLA,BA,BE,BD,VX,MON,AF,YS,WX,KL,SK,LH,OK,OS,LX,IB,LTU,HLX,4U,SU,CO,DL,UA,AC,PR,MH,SQ,QF, EY, EK
User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1447 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12166 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 23):
Clowns. You would think people in the travel trade would have basic geography skills, wouldn't you?


You would, but many can only identify the bucket and spade locations. Not that often tested really.

And if I had one euro for the number of long expired travel offers that survive in travel agents windows, e.g. valid until Nov 2010 still up in Feb, I could pay off the national debt. Does not inspire confidence.

Hard to know how the proposed Belfast air service to Iceland, which was combined with EDI anyhow, makes any sense if DUB is cancelled. Unless there is some tour operator running adventure type trips from Belfast.


25 Post contains images shamrock604 : I was really thinking of airline route planners when I made reference to clowns - youd imagine senior figures would know the geo-politics of Europe!
26 EI2KSEA : In my case, connecting service from BOS at KEF and an extremely competitive fare in June made it a very tempting flight but sadly the dates don't wor
27 Post contains links OA260 : Some more info on the figures for SNN in todays Irish Times article : Shannon passenger numbers fall by third PASSENGER NUMBERS at Shannon airport hav
28 EI564 : Given how airlines schedule their operations (winter season running from Nov to Mar) and given how badly SNN performed in Nov and Dec, they were inev
29 EI2KSEA : This is also the first Jan-Feb period without any EI transatlantic ops which certainly isn't helping things. Just an FYI but I flew with CO BOS-EWR-SN
30 BrianDromey : MAN has a huge catchment area, including Liverpool, Leeds, stretching into Scotland and south to Nottingham. Far larger than Dublin would ever have!
31 EI2KSEA : I'm not sure I'd agree with all of your points Brian! On the matter of tastes, I think Ireland as a travel market has been completely revolutionised
32 shamrock604 : Jesus dude, I think I'd pay the extra and go EI! lot of stops for what is basically a five hour flight! Lol
33 Eagleboy : But don't A.Netters want the most stops and the most aircraft types on any particular trip! Do FI still offer that overnight stop in Reykjavik for no
34 styles9002 : Yes, you can stop over in Reykjavik (about 45 minutes drive from Keflavik airport) for no additional airfare but you will have to pre-book and pay fo
35 OA260 : Would make a good TR though and an interesting trip . Id consider doing it if I was earning status miles .
36 Post contains links MichaelEI : Noticed it on casper.frontier.nl earlier, and just checked into it now. I noticed an EI A330 landing on 28 around 8pm last night, with the flight numb
37 EI2KSEA : A little bit from column A, a little bit from column B!! This is why I was originally looking into the Iceland Express flight, I could do BOS-KEF, 4
38 tonymctigue : I agree. I flew SNN-DUB a few times over the years both to make connections at DUB and as part of the SNN-DUB-ORD-DUB-SNN service and was always amaz
39 shamrock350 : I think the problem aircraft at IAD was reported to be EI-DAA so -LAX must have been down in BOD for something else.
40 Eagleboy : I think this is just normal winter schedule heavy maintenance by EI. I remember seeing an article 1-2 years ago about them outsourcing this to France
41 Post contains links EIBusiness : Brent oil price hits $108 on Libya fears http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0222/oil-business.html Even more importantly: OPEC's reference basket of 12 crud
42 EIRules : I see in another thread that IAG (BA / IB etc) are once again reported to be interested in a number of European airlines with EI among those on the li
43 EIBusiness : Indeed, Several meetings that discussed an initial expression of interest are said to have taken place between individuals of EI and one of the above
44 styles9002 : Just because EI has hedged some of its fuel purchasing moving forward doesn't mean EI won't pass on these increases to the end-user. In a perverse wa
45 MichaelEI : Oh, I see thanks! I was under the impression that heavy mx was done in DUB/SNN. My bad! Was out at DUB today - fairly fairly interesting morning... -
46 EIBusiness : Indeed, but if EI have engaged in the correct sensitivity analysis (which I'm sure that they have done) - then they will know that the consumer/custo
47 shamrock604 : Regarding the SNN-DUB route, I really doubt it has a future anymore. The road links are just too good now. You can use the M18/M6/M4 via Gort or the N
48 shamrock321 : Apparently Willie Wlash has been spoted quite a few times aroundf EI HOB in the last few weeks, dont know how true it is or what it could meen!
49 AmricanShamrok : Oh there's no doubt the road network has improved with consistant motorway now between Limerick/Shannon and Dublin. But it is a bit of a balls having
50 BrianDromey : I agree with you. I think similarly about ORK-DUB. But the commercial reality does not stand up, unfortunately. Even with EI connections ORK-DUB on R
51 Post contains images EIBusiness : Just a continuation of the developments during H2, 2010 perhaps EIBusiness
52 tonymctigue : For me, it is not so much the journey times that make the connection more attractive but rather the convenience of having the small airport parking/c
53 thediplomat : FR, RE and EI have all tried DUB SNN, and found it to be a dog. Unless CityJet or Manx2 can be convinced, this route will be gone forever. If FR were
54 EireRock : If he had no APU then all passengers would be sitting in the dark plus the beacon (nearly 100% sure) does not work on battery/standby power. APU must
55 M6480 : On ALL civil aircraft the strobe and nav lights can work on the battery.
56 tonymctigue : FR and RE both tried the route as a stand alone venture which was never going to work. FR were also using an AC that was far too large over the winte
57 shamrock604 : I understand what you are all saying, but these 80,000 pax were carried before the motorway opened, and before the trains and coaches increased in qua
58 MichaelEI : That's what I was thinking too. I was on an A320 last year, with the APU shut out, and the beacon was still going strong until we did our air start.
59 Post contains links OA260 : With Friday approaching I have been looking at policies and found this from Fine Gael : 20.1 Access Travel Tax: International access is vital to Irish
60 EI564 : The tax and visa thing is fine. But their position on airport charges sounds daft. Given all the problems with debt in this country, do we really wan
61 Post contains links kaitak : I doubt if they will, but I think we will hear a lot of bullying from FR and it will be interesting to see how the new Transport minister deals with
62 shamrock350 : I'm currently in the Aer Lingus Gold Circle lounge at LHR and I'm impressed, the staff are friendly and in full Aer Lingus uniform, there's plenty of
63 tonymctigue : In understand fully what you are saying but consider this argument. The trains are not a great option when travelling to DUB. Also, there are not ver
64 OA260 : Glad your enjoying it , there has certainly been a major change to the experience thats for sure. Hope you enjoy your T2 arrival experience also.
65 Post contains links gosimeon : Very off-topic, but was bored in work earlier and found a website that shows you old versions of websites. Aer Lingus' website in the late 90's might
66 thediplomat : I have to disagree about Shannon. The catchment area for a point to point shannon service is tiny. Considering the airport is 30 minutes from Limeric
67 AirNZ : But while any airline can cut services/capacity at one airport, it can also have growth within it's network. So no, not 'lies' at all unless one is l
68 Aer Lingus : Sounds like it missed its oceanic crossing slot and had to wait for shanwick to give it a new one. Not airborne by your slot time its a case of you s
69 eicvd : VNO is not a new base, just a new destination. Would it even be worthwhile opening a base there in the future with a base in KUN not so far away?
70 Post contains links thediplomat : Interesting choice of 'Base', for historical reasons. Lithuanian Airlines, sadly no longer with us, was founded by a certain Tony Ryan. http://www.fi
71 tonymctigue : If you read my post properly, I was not talking about SNN-DUB being dependent on point to point only but rather quite the opposite as part of a spoke
72 CelticMech : Beacon/Strobe/Navigation lights are NOT powered by the Batteries!!!!! If your down to Battery Power only, all Non Essential items are Shed. Not even
73 thediplomat : I read your post properly - but my the last sentance contained a typo - it should say - routes depending on 100% transit traffic are not proftable fo
74 shamrock604 : Within the context of Dublin, or Ireland, it's lies.
75 OA260 : Does anyone know if the GC lounge in T1 closed today ?
76 BrianDromey : The fares are also pretty interesting too! 79 IEP for RTN flights from ORK/DUB-UK destinations. Or about 100 EUR when converted. This does not includ
77 Post contains links gosimeon : Great point Brian! Maybe the "low-fares" era is more about spin than anything else? Here's a great page re: the old fleet: http://web.archive.org/web/
78 shamrock321 : In terms of number of aircraft EI hasnt grown that much but in seats it certainly has!
79 Post contains links gosimeon : Oops. Click on the "Fleet" tab to the left. Ryanair to start a new Derry route: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12549580
80 Post contains images OA260 : Your right there Brian , the old EI T class fares were around IEP86 DUB-LHR-DUB with IEP5 taxes and no other taxes when I first moved here. I have th
81 AuleyAir : As I passed DUB this morning. I saw a tail of the plane in purple greyish with R written on it in the cargo apron. Do anyone know which airline and ai
82 OA260 : Just heard on 2FM that Aer Lingus is setting aside 30m EUR for revenue over the redundancy fiasco and will not make the employees pay.
83 Eagleboy : Good news from a IR point of view. But putting aside 30M may well wipe our the expected profit for 2010. I assume this means they will not contest an
84 Post contains links EIBusiness : Indeed - it's very good news from an IR perspective. But - I think we will see some very big pressure applied to the external financial advisors here
85 BrianDromey : Maybe Ryan International Airlines, a US based carrier? Probably a 757 or 767 How true! When you think how much cost airlines have had to strip out ju
86 EireRock : Probably the JetTime 737 cargo conversion, it must be operating for TNT. Its been in for the last few days. It has a large JT logo on the tail.
87 Post contains links Eagleboy : On the EI front a very rare creature has emerged from the hanger today: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lordspotter/5473579743/in/photostream/
88 Post contains links Eagleboy : And what a coincidence! Somebody was eagle eyed in TLS yesterday: http://www.flickr.com/photos/a380spotter/5473799451/
89 david_itl : BE to start a 5 weekly MAN-LDY service in May. Perhaps more beneficial to LDY then a weekly TFS from FR?[Edited 2011-02-24 12:16:41]
90 wexfordflyer : Very, VERY exciting!!!
91 EI787 : Ahh! Fantastic! It's going to be a great looking aircraft!!
92 SunCEO : Looks Amazing!!!! Very Exciting.... T2 and EI retrojet are definitely a reason to choose aer lingus for my next flights (as if you needed a reason!
93 Post contains images OA260 : Cool find it looks very promising cant wait to see it and maybe even get on it
94 kaitak : Absolutely; so glad that EI are finally going to do this; many thanks are due to those who pushed and prodded the airline to do this. Many of us thou
95 EIBusiness : Very well said Kaitak, Thankfully this was a new delivery - for if it were to have been a repaint, the bean counters would have had their way! It tak
96 Post contains links shamrock350 : Great to see the Aer Lingus retrojet and of course EI-ABI, I had read it was due to fly again so it's fantastic to actually see it preparing to do tha
97 Post contains images EI2KSEA : Oh gosh, that retrojet has me a little excitable. Cant wait to see her 'fully clothed' -Ph
98 dstc47 : Nice retrojet - ironic the other Tiger in the shot, given that the Celtic Tiger has left the building! Vote aviation one two and three.
99 shamrock604 : Done, Done and Done!! Good luck today all, the big day is here - we finally get to give OUR verdict on whats happened in our country over the last th
100 Post contains links mainMAN : I nearly started a thread about this, but then remembered the always entertaining Irish thread....... http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...er-skyhig
101 330Guy : The retro is going to look great.... I love it already and have only seen the tail. Does anyone know if there is anyway of finding out what flights it
102 kaitak : Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be delivered until April. I have a horrible feeling that our friend CelticMech is going to be driven demen
103 Post contains links CaptainMeeerkat : http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0225/breaking48.html Didn't see this posted yet, but Manx2 is to end the Belfast-Cork service in wak
104 tonymctigue : Just heard it on the radio.
105 Post contains links Aer Lingus : Padraig Harrington seems to have picked up a G3 for himself http://www.independent.ie/national-n...raigs-new-private-jet-2555837.html
106 Post contains links david_itl : And here's the press release. Only running until the back end of September. Hopefully it'll get either extended or run for a longer period next year.
107 Post contains links Eagleboy : Listen to those 1930's engines on EI-ABI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuR55KTvtyU&feature=player_embedded
108 JBR2008 : An apt livery, given the state of the country!
109 neutral : Flying out of Dublin yesterday at 6.30 am I saw the Etihad plane stopped on a taxiway a continental plane landed and also stopped on a different taxiw
110 kaitak : Another milestone for Ryanair; EI-ENZ, LN 3561, delivered yesterday (and presumably arriving in DUB today) is its 300th 737.
111 dstc47 : President Obama is expected to visit Ireland, presumably around the time of his visit to the U.K. at the end of May so that may help international exp
112 thediplomat : 6.30 is probably a crunch time in terms of stand allocation. If any of the outbound aircraft are delayed, inbound get held.
113 PenPusher : All these operators were heading for Terminal 2, no shortage of stands, just means them having to give way to the outbounds for rwy 28, this will be
114 Post contains links IRISH251 : EI-ENY and EI-ENZ are both en route at the moment. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/RYR800Y http://flightaware.com/live/flight/RYR800Z Expected by
115 Post contains links thediplomat : an official who is familiar with discussions about Mr Obama’s forthcoming trip to Europe http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...tpage/2011/0226/122
116 Eagleboy : Thats a huge milestone for 'a small Irish' airline. I saw pics of its completion ceremony at the Boeing plant. Wonder have FR made an additions to it
117 OA260 : Just landed back into DUB. T1 is so different these days, when I flew out there was not one person in front of me at security ! Quite a good experienc
118 neutral : There was plenty of time for Etihad and Continental planes to cross the taxiways towards T2 I think the stands issue may be the problem with T2 full
119 thediplomat : It's the morning departure peak - all departing before 7am. If any of the long hauls arrive early, they will be waiting for stands. Amsterdam Aer Lin
120 thediplomat : All of these three aircraft arrive at 06:50am. So if you departed at 06:30 it points to these arriving early. On a sunday winter schedule morning Pri
121 Post contains images Eagleboy : Maybe time to start on Pier G?
122 neutral : On arrival in Dublin at 23.00 last night there was a couple of Aer Lingus A320 parked at pier D and also plenty of Ryanair + Malev and LH and only Ci
123 shamrock604 : Work in progress has closed almost half of Pier B stands and also stands on the southern side of Pier A. They are replacing concrete apron which was i
124 neutral : Thanks for clearing that up
125 shamrock604 : No problem. Saw it myself this morning and was glad to see they have started to replace those apron sections are they were basically unsafe.
126 eicvd : Ah that explains why I saw the overnighting LH @ Pier D when I was departing early a few saturdays ago & why it was parked up there when I arrive
127 shamrock604 : If i'm not mistaken, it might also limit one of the taxi routes that arriving aircraft could use to access Pier B south and T2 (ie the inner taxiway
128 Post contains images auntie : Had the pleasure of using T2 this week for a trip to BOS. My first time back in it since the trial in October. Great experience, both as a departure a
129 BrianDromey : Just been listening to NewsTalk election coverage on-line and herd some EI ad's for T2. Very VS like, I thought. Claiming the terminal to be "smooooo
130 shamrock604 : Yeah, I had to have a chuckle at the "Bing Bong" line - it's said in a very "oohh baby - austin powers" type tone.... certainly not what the aul gree
131 Post contains links and images OA260 : Some pics of the work being carried out :
132 Post contains links and images IRISH251 : Ryanair's 300th 737-800 arrived at DUB as planned today: EI-ENZ Boeing 737-8AS, 300th 737-800 for Ryanair by Irish251, on Flickr The weekly Air France
133 SunCEO : Love the AF Cargo pic!
134 Post contains images aidansnn : Had a similar experience waiting for a flight to Krakow last week. There was no mention on the screens of 'Go to Terminal 1' at all, however. It simp
135 AmricanShamrok : I'd say this has to do with the CBP. It's the same at Shannon; all US-bound passengers using the preclearance must undergo a second security check be
136 legacyins : They also do this at Beijing capital Airport on all departing US bound aircraft.
137 Eagleboy : To me it would make more sense to either show only T2 flights OR have 'go to T1' as the info on screens in T2. Why show T1 flights on the screens in
138 thediplomat : Reminds me of Fr. Ted. To be sure to be sure.
139 OA260 : They did on Friday :[Edited 2011-02-27 00:38:49]
140 auntie : ......and they don't do metal at that point, there is no metal detector. Just bags and shoes. -- Also 2 things I noticed when checking in for EI that
141 Post contains images ClassicLover : If you have selected a seat by paying beforehand Otherwise, the usual 30 hours
142 Post contains images OA260 : Thats a good money making plan
143 Post contains images AmricanShamrok : Well, when an international flight lands in the US, all onward-connecting passengers must do a security check so it would seem it's normal procedure.
144 OA260 : With the fuel increases and apparantly EI only having one third of its fuel hedged for 2011 I wonder how this will effect EI's profits or will they ju
145 Post contains links gosimeon : Good news for Aer Lingus, making a decent little profit: AER LINGUS has returned to profit for the first time in several years, after publishing its e
146 OA260 : Not bad considering the current climate hopefully the fuel issue wont eat into that in 2011 !
147 Post contains links shamrock350 : A350 order here to stay? Aer Lingus swaps three A330s for A350s http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...s-swaps-three-a330s-for-a350s.html Either Aer L
148 Eagleboy : So operating profit was E57M, thats a huge change from -E81M in 2009. and the E32M for the revenue was included in the 2010 figures. Didn't EI estimat
149 kaitak : I agree; it seems to be a much more convenient option for airlines to spin out their deliveries to a much later date, rather than incur a cancellatio
150 EIBusiness : The Market is not responding well in light of the very cautionary outlook. From an extremely brief run through the statements, the following jump out
151 sawtooth : What does A350-900 mean for SNN in EIs longterm plans, would have though the 800 more flexible for P2P on recent demand. Is 320+ seats possibly too bi
152 AmricanShamrok : Indeed. I was hoping they'd hang on to a few A332s for SNN and thinner DUB routes. However, 2018 is a while away yet so we won't worry.
153 Post contains links f1eddie : I hope EI will start some long haul route to the East which im sure would do well. I think BKK would be a very good one for them to start. Sure maybe
154 EIBusiness : Considering the age of the A332s, this in the main would not really be possible out to 2018. Christoph M's statement has really rocked the Market. Th
155 OA260 : Hmm is this in response to FR? Sad to see BT go they add variety to DUB.
156 shamrock604 : Air Baltic are NOT pulling out of Dublin. They are thankfully just dropping Vilnius, but will stay on Riga.
157 OA260 : Thats good news at least. So I guess they cant compete with FR
158 shamrock604 : EI do Vilnius as well as FR. EI used to fly to Riga, as well as Air Baltic. When FR came on that route, EI dropped it. Looks like it's BT's turn this
159 Post contains links thediplomat : In addition, the airline is to sell one of its eight A330s, describing its long-haul fleet as "larger than we currently require". http://www.flightglo
160 CelticMech : All of The A330's in the Aer Lingus Fleet are Owned by Aer Lingus and not leased. ORD is the rumored a/c to try to sell.
161 Post contains images EI1989 : An interesting slide in that results presentation was on the strategic outlook for the future with a key element of this being the evaluation of an ai
162 Post contains links OA260 : Hey all my Swiss trip is up and I have got a good few pics of Terminal 2 and the DAA lounge in T2 also. A few of the EY lounge despite it being closed
163 shamrock604 : First flight through DUB T1 since T2 opened. What a pleasure! Finally, Dublin has an airport that works again!
164 OA260 : It does feel kind of weird as we are not used to it but its certainly a much nicer experience.
165 dstc47 : Which is presumably why they joined OW initially, back in the dim and distant past. As to why they left it, well other than cost isssues, we never re
166 shamrock350 : When I was in DUB last week I was talking to the staff atvthe Aer Lingus ticket desk, one of them said the airport has a great atmosphere now and is n
167 shamrock604 : It's actually amazing. Peak time, and it was pleasantly busy, checked in within 5 minutes, cleared security within 5 minutes. Didnt bump into anyone,
168 330Guy : Flew trough it last week too, its like a ghost town now... its much nicer and with less crowds makes for a really nice experiance. everything was com
169 AmricanShamrok : Interesting turn of events. If they sell one they'll be back to their original fleet-size before expansion.
170 Post contains links shamrock350 : Haven't heard the adverts myself but the television campaign was done by London based VCCP who do all the advertising in Britain and also the large "
171 tonymctigue : Here here. Those who make that sort of fuss are either 1) making a fuss for the sake of selling something i.e. The Irish Independent or 2) have a ves
172 AmricanShamrok : Does anyone know why today's Aer Lingus flight from Dublin to Chicago (EI125) went out late?
173 kaitak : Sad to see, but unfortunately the way the market is going; hopefully they will make best use of the DUB hub to keep the t/a market steady. Good to se
174 Post contains links thediplomat : The Aer Lingus corporate statement shines some very interesting insight into their long haul network. http://www.aerlingus.com/media/aerli...reliminar
175 OA260 : Thats a good sign and hopefully with T2 next year this will increase even more.
176 kaitak : It's a very good figure and while I echo the hope that the numbers (and percentage) will increase, it does help to illustrate the very significant dr
177 thediplomat : Reduction of the fleet by one, converting and pushing out of the A350 orders till 2018 points to EI taking a very conservative approach to long haul
178 BrianDromey : Im glad to see EI back in the black. It seems clear that their long-haul operation will never amount to much more than a niche presence to/from Irelan
179 thediplomat : BMI have some really good offers from Ireland at present, including a €79 tax inclusive one way fare from DUB to AMM.
180 OA260 : Yeah saw those the other day got blasted by emails from DC but for us mileage earners not great , Id love to see some J class specials ex DUB .
181 thediplomat : The other EI aircraft ended up in Vladivostok avia and with Air Asia, so we could see another one heading to the Pacific coasts. I agree that BD is p
182 Post contains links MichaelEI : Looks like DUB will be getting a new long-haul carrier this summer! Canadian airline Sunwing will be starting weekly Summer seasonal flights from Toro
183 OA260 : Interesting they will go head to head with the other charter service of TS although a quick look seems like TS is around EUR80 cheaper like for like.
184 MichaelEI : Will that be on the A330s or the A310 do you know? I have a friend who uses TS many times a year, and have never had good things to say. I'd love to
185 Post contains links AuleyAir : Next time I fly to Canada, I will stick to Air Transat after reading these bad review. http://www.carsurvey.org/air/airline_Sunwing+Airlines.html Whi
186 BrianDromey : Indeed it would be nice. Not sure what happening with earning at DC right now. It seems that the programme is being devalued quite a bit, wherever LH
187 AmricanShamrok : Air Transat isn't charter from Ireland anymore as far as I know - it's all a fully scheduled operation now.
188 Post contains links kaitak : Nasty incident at Seville - a Ryanair pax was blown off a stairway leading up to an FR 738, due to jet blast from another aircraft. http://www.indepen
189 Post contains links 330Guy : I have a few friends that have flown them and again I have never heard a good word said. Yeah seen it, Theres a more detailed article here.. Looks li
190 Post contains images OA260 : Its an A310 which in itself would entice me to TS , would love to get on an A310 again I often see them in DUB during the Summer season and want to t
191 MichaelEI : Oh good! It's one of the nicest planes to see at DUB I think! It'd be a shame to take such a plane off of the DUB rotation! It'd be sorely missed. I
192 Post contains links keegd76 : BBC reporting that the proposed BFS-RKV route has been postponed until 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12617758
193 bx737 : One of the things to be borne in mind about LY and is recognised as a problem from a financial point of view is their inability to fly on the Sabbath
194 AmricanShamrok : Does anyone know if DUB Terminal 2 is all contact stands (i.e. all gates 401-426 are fitted with airbridges)? Or is it every second gate or what's the
195 EIDAA : Although the current A330s are not on traditional op leases like those returned over the last few years, there are a few under other forms of lease/f
196 bx737 : I am not 100% sure about the amount of contact stands with airbridges, but as far as I am aware, more gates can be used for US flights. Apparently th
197 shamrock321 : No all gates are contact stands, have seen EI use stairs a good bit this week, looks like the EIR flights wont be moving to T2 either, makes no sense!
198 Post contains links and images MichaelEI : Another photo of the EI Retro Jet...can't wait to see it full on!
199 kaitak : Looking good so far! Won't be long before we see it in full colours! Just as a matter of interest, does anyone know when they started building A320s i
200 Post contains links grimey : Aviation Safety Regulation in Ireland - Positive Results 2 March 2011: Ireland has been ranked amongst the best in the world in the safety oversight o
201 kaitak : This is brilliant news and a tribute to all of those involved in reaching this high standard - from the DoT, the IAA, the airports and the airlines t
202 BrianDromey : That is true too. Also, almost all of their flying is long-haul. There is not a huge short-haul air market for LY in it's home region. I think it's 3
203 OA260 : For sure I love seeing their A310 at DUB. My thoughts exactly and if you go in the first few flights they often sell it discounted on Americanholiday
204 AmricanShamrok : Thanks lads. Why is this? ZRH doesn't have US preclearance so why would there be a need to seperate US-bound passengers? Or is this normal practice a
205 Greenjet : I believe the last fatal accident was EI-TAF of TACA in May 2008. Five people were after the accident upon landing at Tegucigalpa-Toncontin in Hondur
206 BrianDromey : Didn't realise that was the last crash. Amazing how far and wide the EI- reg can be found. Think it's common in Mexico too? I don't know exactly why
207 shamrock350 : I hadn't noticed that Aer Lingus have gone back to daily on their LGW-NOC route, it was cut to 4 weekly for most of the winter which I feared was the
208 Post contains links gosimeon : "Sheep will shortly be grazing on the runway at Shannon unless it is checked. The writing is on the wall. Nothing is happening down here. Shannon was
209 shamrock604 : You have to hand it to him. He knows when to make a fuss. Having ignored SNN for the last 12 months, and then watching EI / EIR make steady progress,
210 tonymctigue : Despite its severity, there was a special mention on Brian Lenihan's budget speach regarding promoting growth at the three airports under the governm
211 styles9002 : Sure, this is a nice idea and I might be wrong here but I think that focusing on Irish-originating traffic to support trans-Atlantic flights is a boa
212 Eagleboy : Absolutely. I think we can see from the 2010 results the the T/A ops have become profitable due to the transfer pax strategy that has provided a litt
213 thediplomat : That was part of the reason. The document I linked to above also states that profitability was also driven by drastic pruning of loss making capacity
214 Post contains links kaitak : Here's the link to 6/11: Irish 6/11: Slipping The Surly Bonds Of Earth ... (by kaitak Mar 3 2011 in Civil Aviation)
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Irish 23 Established And Cleared To Land posted Tue May 20 2008 10:00:38 by Kaitak
NWA DC-9-30 Tried To Land By The Tornado! posted Tue Aug 19 2003 18:41:37 by Western737
Vinnie Barbarino, Cleared To Land posted Tue Mar 12 2002 02:40:00 by Dripstick
Flaps Full, Gear Down, MAN UK News 16 posted Mon Feb 4 2008 12:00:34 by LHRjc
News Report -CMH Bound Plane To Land W/o Nose Gear posted Fri Dec 14 2007 15:34:48 by Johnyv
Cleared To Roll And Brakes Released - Irish 24/07 posted Wed May 16 2007 22:09:41 by Kaitak
Irish 19, Lining Up And Cleared To Roll ... posted Thu Nov 2 2006 22:19:03 by Kaitak
Aloha Cleared To Exit Ch. 11 posted Wed Nov 30 2005 07:56:25 by Scotron11
Irish 4/11: Spring Is In The Air! posted Thu Feb 3 2011 21:21:54 by kaitak
Irish 1/11 - Future Focused Flying posted Fri Dec 31 2010 16:00:08 by kaitak