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Fort Lauderdale Runway Expansion NIMBYs Give Up  
User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3301 posts, RR: 30
Posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7083 times:

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Dania Beach homeowners ready to stop fighting airport expansion and move out

By Brittany Wallman, Sun Sentinel
9:03 p.m. EST, February 17, 2011

Dania Beach homeowners who've fought for more than 30 years to protect their neighborhoods from airport expansion are sending a surprising signal to the county:

They give up. They're ready to move out.

What had always been a discussion and a debate suddenly became a reality to them: a new runway will be built next to them. The small prop planes and little executive jets whose sounds they accepted would be replaced by roaring commercial jetliners. Broward County's plans for Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International Airport would finally come to pass.

One by one they told the director of the airport at a meeting last week that the neighborhoods their tiny city spent more than $1 million defending cannot be saved. They said they want Broward County to buy their homes at a fair price, and, some suggested, tear them down. Living next to a major runway that will rise six stories into the air is not an existence anyone will want, they said.

"It's impossible to live there.'' "This was a formula for blight.'' "No one will buy my home.'' "It's going to be a slum area.''
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/bro...ia-losing-20110217,0,1960401.story

"I knew I was moving next to an airport, but you should buy my house at a fair price for my mistake."   

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"I never thought that this was going to happen,'' homeowner Otto Blanco said at the meeting. "They've been fighting for 30 years.''

He held up his cell phone to show a photo, explaining "this is why I bought my house.''

In the photo, his young son smiled brightly from a small motorboat in the water outside the family's Davis Isles home. Many of the affected residents enjoy the lifestyle of fancy Las Olas Isles' posh waterfront, but with Dania Beach prices. The canals give them ocean access, coveted in Broward. The sounds of the small general aviation runway next to them are bearable, they say.

The expanded south runway option has never been shown to be perfect, but if you can independently get two jets in the air or on the ground at the same time as the northern runway, then this surely beats out a purpose-defeating option for a new close-quarters northern runway which simply wouldn't allow that.

This has been 30 years in the making. It's time to move some earth.


"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
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User currently offlineaffirmative From France, joined Jul 2009, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7039 times:

The saddest part is that the crab shack next to one of the creeks right across the bridge from the airport will probably also disappear..


I love the smell of Jet-A1 in the morning...
User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3301 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6876 times:

Quoting affirmative (Reply 1):
The saddest part is that the crab shack next to one of the creeks right across the bridge from the airport will probably also disappear..

The Rustic Inn? Doubt it. It's a local icon, not completely under the path and still outside the proposed 65DNL line after completion (the tiniest thin blue line poking just west of I-95 from the runway in question). As you can see, located at the green dot, it was still just barely within the 60DNL line even before proposed expansion:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6661/rusticz.jpg



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineaffirmative From France, joined Jul 2009, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6649 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 2):

Yup, that's the one.. I had trouble remembering the name. I love that place, it would be sad if it had to go. It's really right on the line but I guess you're right, it's too much of a landmark to tear down. I can still remember the Stone Crab I had there.

Cheers



I love the smell of Jet-A1 in the morning...
User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6585 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6629 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Thread starter):
"I knew I was moving next to an airport, but you should buy my house at a fair price for my mistake."

Well, I live under the path of a GA airport (where small bizjets can land) and a military air base where big government bizjets and military transport land. They don't bother me, in fact I like it. Now, if suddenly it was A320s or bigger overhead, it would be another story.



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User currently offlinephatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1353 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6317 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Thread starter):
"I knew I was moving next to an airport, but you should buy my house at a fair price for my mistake."

This will be an interesting case study for "NIMBY-busting", if there is such a word. I wonder if the folks around LGB & SNA can spend over $1 million over 30 years (probably SNA NIMBY's can, not sure about LGB NIMBY's).


User currently offlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5123 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6303 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Thread starter):
Living next to a major runway that will rise six stories into the air is not an existence anyone will want, they said.

A runway six! stories high? right....... guess it has a roof as well?



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User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6214 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 6):
A runway six! stories high? right....... guess it has a roof as well?

A month or so ago somebody posted on here that there is a proposal to build a sloping runway (which I guess might be the 'six stories high' part. This would allow a nearby road to go underneath...due to a high water table it's not possible to dig too deep in Florida.



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User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

The Broward County website has various links with ppt. presentations, etc., but here's one summary:

http://www.broward.org/Airport/fllair/Pages/Default.aspx


User currently offlinecyeg66 From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4454 times:

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 5):
This will be an interesting case study for "NIMBY-busting", if there is such a word. I wonder if the folks around LGB & SNA can spend over $1 million over 30 years (probably SNA NIMBY's can, not sure about LGB NIMBY's).

No disrespect to the folks living in either of those two areas, but I was thinking more about London area airports. Will we ever witness NIMBY's give up there? It's doubtful. Anyways, great news for FLL! They really needed this.



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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Wow... I imagine aircraft noise can be annoying to some but is it really that big of a deal? I grew up in Germany directly below the landing and take off approaches to Ramstein AB. We would get C-5/C-17/C-141/C-130/747, etc at all hours and if anyone has heard a C-5 land or takeoff you can tell it isn't exactly a ninja... But then there are people who actually move there on purpose and complain about the noise?


Quoting cyeg66 (Reply 9):
No disrespect to the folks living in either of those two areas, but I was thinking more about London area airports. Will we ever witness NIMBY's give up there? It's doubtful. Anyways, great news for FLL! They really needed this.

I was thinking the same thing... I imagine the London NIMBYs would just propose a new Airport to replace LHR rather than allow LHR to get a 3rd runway... Then they'll move out to the new airport in droves and set up camp around that place as well before they continue to complain about the noise... Do people ever learn? Aviation is here to stay!



"Drunks run stop signs. Stoners wait for them to turn green."
User currently offlineBooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Here's a direct link to the page that features pictures and animation of the six-story runway:

http://www.broward.org/AIRPORT/FLLAIR/Pages/AnimationDrawings.aspx



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User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5516 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 10):
Wow... I imagine aircraft noise can be annoying to some but is it really that big of a deal? I grew up in Germany directly below the landing and take off approaches to Ramstein AB. We would get C-5/C-17/C-141/C-130/747, etc at all hours and if anyone has heard a C-5 land or takeoff you can tell it isn't exactly a ninja... But then there are people who actually move there on purpose and complain about the noise?

I can see why it's a big deal to some people. With the new 35/17 runway at MSP came an approach route right over my house (about 6-7 nm from the runway). At first I was thrilled because I enjoy watching aircraft. But sometimes in the summer when I'm trying to read outside or have dinner on the deck, the recurring noise can be annoying after a while. I couldn't imagine what it'd be like if I lived a few miles closer to the runway. There are some homes right outside airport property under the approach path to 12L and I don't understand how it would be bearable to spend time outside with deafening noise every half minute or so.


User currently offlinenonimaus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Quoting BooDog (Reply 11):
I was thinking the same thing... I imagine the London NIMBYs would just propose a new Airport to replace LHR rather than allow LHR to get a 3rd runway... Then they'll move out to the new airport in droves and set up camp around that place as well before they continue to complain about the noise... Do people ever learn? Aviation is here to stay!

A Thames estuary airport is already what Boris Johnson (London mayor) is already lobbying for, though whether it actually happens is anyone's guess. Boris has a habit of talking big, but not necessarily practically; one of the latest schemes is a cable car that'll span the Thames which is a great idea on paper, but it conflicts with an extended "crash zone" for LCY.

To be honest, despite my love of aviation, I can totally understand why people in this city aren't keen on further airport expansion. In terms of noise and flight paths, a lot of the Heathrow traffic comes in low over a good deal of the densely populated city. I live on the opposite side of London under the Heathrow and City flight paths; by the time planes pass over here the noise is already noticeable so it must be quite frustrating much closer to both if you're not that keen on planes passing overhead frequently.

Also, it's never quite as simple as assuming people should know what they're getting by moving close to an airport; it may have been a tolerable level of noise and relatively low level of traffic 30 years ago, but things change. People who've spent years living next to small regional airports probably don't expect local authorities to change plans and turn them into larger hubs. I don't think anyone in the vicinity of Greenwich or the Isle of Dogs back in 1980 could have expected an airport to be developed quite so close by, nor for it to expand quite as much as it has done.


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