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Northwest Airlines' Later Plans  
User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7926 times:

Before they merged with DL, was NW planning any kind of international expansion similar to that of DL since they were also a part of Skyteam? I know they had orders for the 787, but was that the only airplane? Would they have kept the DC-9 for a longer time than DL is planning?


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User currently offlineDLYUL From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7853 times:

NW was doing a fair amount of of TATL 757 service towards the end. I think they would've added a few more Europe 757 cities out of DTW, possibly DUB & MAD.

NW had plans for nonstops between DTW & places like PVG, PEK, and ICN with the 787. When DL took over, they started these routes with 777's.

Some of NW's biggest problems as far as expansion was concerned, was a lack of market share in any major coastal city, as well as nearly non-existent service to Latin America. Joining forces with DL helped to address those issues.


User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1749 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7511 times:

Quoting DLYUL (Reply 1):
NW had plans for nonstops between DTW & places like PVG, PEK, and ICN with the 787

Additionally NW had fairly significant plans for SEA using the 787. Sydney was often mentioned internally. And what you've seen Delta do with SEA to Asia is essentially the NW game plan in the waning days.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3142 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7447 times:

We probably would have seen JFK-NRT come back with a 787 and maybe even MEM-NRT as well.


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User currently offlineaf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2706 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7267 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):

I'm too tired to find a source, but DL did say they were "considering" MEM-NRT with the 787. But that sounds close to impossible whether NW or DL.



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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7053 times:

The 787 first route was supposed to be JFK-NRT. NW didn't like running the 747 on the route because its a low yielding route. Otherwise SEA was planned for KIX, PEK, and SYD from what I understand. Also DTW-CAN was on the table for the 787 along with DTW-ICN and DTW-HKG. MAD was supposed to start a few years ago with the DC-10, but then it the economy in spain and the US rapidly tanked and the route was cancelled. Other routes that I heard of was DTW-MAN, DTW-BHM.


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User currently offlineadmluvs2fly From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6852 times:

RE: Reply 5 NW didn't like using the 747 on JFK/NRT because of low yields.

DELTA is currently using the 747 now.


User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 922 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6777 times:

Quoting DLYUL (Reply 1):
NW was doing a fair amount of of TATL 757 service towards the end. I think they would've added a few more Europe 757 cities out of DTW, possibly DUB & MAD.

I disagree. If you look at the eight 757 TATL markets, you'll see a trend:
-DTW-AMS
-DTW-BRU
-DTW-DUS
-DTW-FRA
-BOS-AMS
-BDL-AMS
-EWR-AMS
-IAD-AMS

With the exception of DTW-FRA (competitive response to Lufthansa's second flight), ALL of these are really intended to serve the AMS hub or its surrounding area. BRU and DUS service was intended for AMS-originating passengers who may have been closer to those airports.

On your side though, DTW-MAD was announced in prior years with the DC-10 but never started.

Quoting DLYUL (Reply 1):
Some of NW's biggest problems as far as expansion was concerned, was a lack of market share in any major coastal city, as well as nearly non-existent service to Latin America. Joining forces with DL helped to address those issues.

GRU was regularly examined, and of course the service is there now.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1903 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6768 times:

Quoting admluvs2fly (Reply 6):
RE: Reply 5 NW didn't like using the 747 on JFK/NRT because of low yields.

DELTA is currently using the 747 now.

Delta has a hub operation at JFK. NW didn't, it was spoke to hub flight for them. Delta has connecting traffic on both ends (NRT and JFK), therefore filling the 747 and earning greater yields on the route is a little easier.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2897 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6759 times:

Quoting c5load (Thread starter):
Before they merged with DL, was NW planning any kind of international expansion similar to that of DL since they were also a part of Skyteam?

Yes, but opportunities were pretty limited given their hub structure. MEM is a very small market that just can't support more than their daily AMS flight and a bit of leisure stuff like CUN. MSP is a great hub, but attempts to add long haul stuff beyond NRT, AMS, and LON never worked out for NW. So that left them with DTW, or spokes serving as international gateways (i.e. SEA, PDX, HNL). Not quite as easy to expand internationally for NW as it was for DL, who had strong hubs at ATL and JFK to go from.

Quoting c5load (Thread starter):
I know they had orders for the 787, but was that the only airplane?

Pretty much. Also a few 319s/320s on order.

Quoting c5load (Thread starter):
Would they have kept the DC-9 for a longer time than DL is planning?

Doubt it. The E-175s and CRJ-900s were already replacing a lot of DC-9 flights.



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User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6616 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 5):
Other routes that I heard of was DTW-MAN, DTW-BHM.

I'm hoping your meaning BHX - Birmingham, England!


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6259 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
We probably would have seen JFK-NRT come back with a 787 and maybe even MEM-NRT as well.
Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 4):
I'm too tired to find a source, but DL did say they were "considering" MEM-NRT with the 787. But that sounds close to impossible whether NW or DL.

Former NW CEO Doug Steinland mentioned it once in a USA Today interview, but I think for now the combined carrier with DL is content on trying SLC-NRT seasonally with an A332, and it will be interesting to see how long that one lasts. I think DL would perhaps try more TATL service from SLC (AMS, LGW etc..) but the lack of gates that have routing to a still very small FIS desk have put any such ambitions if they exist on hold.



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User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7421 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2194 times:
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Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 5):
MAD was supposed to start a few years ago with the DC-10, but then it the economy in spain and the US rapidly tanked and the route was cancelled.
Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 7):
On your side though, DTW-MAD was announced in prior years with the DC-10 but never started.

Twice I recall, 1st time in 2002 and again in 2005, but as stated above, never happened



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