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The Original Republic Airlines  
User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4947 posts, RR: 28
Posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

Hey all! I was curious if anyone has any ideas what Republic might have been had they not merged with NW? Were there plans in the future for Republic? Had they been looking at other aircraft types? How about international? How about the 757, what were the plans for the fleet besides the original order? I sure miss the duck, and thought it might bring up some fond memories of them.


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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

Well Herman the duck was from North Central which merged with Southern to become Republic.


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User currently offlinecic777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 1):
Well Herman the duck was from North Central which merged with Southern to become Republic.

Which in turn bought Hughes Airwest (RW) if memory serves me correctly.


User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4427 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4511 times:

I think they would have merged with AA and been subsequently dismantled.   

User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4492 times:

Ah my favorite airline next to Sun Country. When I worked there on the ramp @ MSP. We had just taken delivery of the first of six RR powered 757. After the merger with NWA they all went to USAir. At the time we were flying Convair 580, DC 9-10/30/50/80, 727, & the 757. We heard rumors that they were going to expand international service . IIRC, They were holding Int'l authority from both Southern, and Hughes Airwest.

They ran into financial trouble after the buyout of Hughes as the interest rate of the money borrowed was just above the prime rate. IIRC it was at like 21%. About the time I was hired they brought in Stephen Wolf who turned the company around. NWA came to RC because they needed more domestic routes as NWA had lots of International. UA had just picked up Pan AM's Pacific Routes.

Republic was changing their hubs building up MSP. DTW, & MEM. They cut back on many of the west coast routes they got from Hughes. They cut back PHX as a hub. I think RC would have picked up the 717 to replace many of their DC-9's. They had Mesaba flying commuter routes for awhile until XJ went to NW. RC hired Express Airlines 1 and Simmons to run Republic Express service. XJ had B-99 and Express 1 had the J31 and Saab 340. Express changed its name to Pinnacle after the merger with NWA. Simmons flew Shorts SD 360 & YS11. Not sure when Simmons left I would say around the time of the NWA merger. They went on to become American Eagle IIRC.

I departed after the merger and went to work at SY sometime later. I do miss Herman, North Central & Republic. I was going to transfer into catering but after the merger NW closed the RC Commissary, and I could not transfer due to union issues that went unresolved for a few years.



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User currently offlineUTAH744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

I was at a pilot meeting with Stephen Wolf and he was specifically asked about expansion. Domestically it was increase hub flying and more 757 would be needed for intra hub and west coast flying. As for international he said they had plans to pick up some DC-10-30s and first fly to London and look at other places. He also said they had no interest in flying to HNL.


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User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 941 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

I was a stock holder for the the former Republic and had been when it was North Central. At the last Annual stock holders meeting before the announced merger that I was at they stated that they were going to work on getting n/s route authority from DTW to three European cities. London and Paris and the third to be determined but they were strongly looking at FRA or AMS. As UTAH744 pointed out Mr. Wolf was not interested in going to HNL, which drew boo's from the attendance.
They also had stated they had placed an order for 4 DC-10-30's and were working on a order for "several 747's " as well. I know it was very crowed around four renderings of both birds on display at the meeting which I know I took several photo's of before I was stopped by a staff member saying "it was not yet for the public to know they were on the way." As sunking737 said the 717 were going to be replacing the Mad Dogs as soon as they could get them, but that never happen the NWA merger was announced before the 717 order was placed. I also know that they were very happy with the 757's and wanted as many as they could afford. I think that was what held up the 747 order was the fact that Republic wanted so many a/c from Boeing and the financing was the problem with the Airwest buyout.
At the last Shareholders meeting I heard several people make comments that they did not like Stephen Wolf as CEO, they feared that Republic would not remain independent very long as long as he was at the helm. They just did not like some of the answers to the open questions forum that they got. They were right to be concerned, it did't even take 6 months to announce the merger with NWA.
If Republic was still around today I would bet their fleet would have E145, E170 and E195, Boeing's717's, 752 and 753's, 763(domestic's) 744,764's and 777's internationally
LONG LIVE HERMAN!!!!

[Edited 2011-02-18 21:39:12]

[Edited 2011-02-18 21:39:51]


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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 6):

Interesting that you mention Wolf and the order for DC-10-40s. If you vets recall, Wolf was a marketing VP at PanAm before his tenure at RC. He later used his inside knowledge of PA to literally pick apart the operation, cherry-picking the best parts for UA (LHR slots and LatAm--UA already had the Pacific routes at the time). I think RC would've tried to merge with PanAm, I really do, even though the routes would've been really incompatible--three central hubs with European and LatAm presences at JFK and MIA?! Interesting airline, really. No one will ever serve more cities than RC did at its height in 1981, 260.



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User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 941 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4211 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 7):

Yes and he was wheeling and dealing with NWA in the back room offices of NWA to KILL Herman, and he did a good job o it.



I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4841 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4209 times:

I thought that the 757's went to America West airlines?


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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 9):
I thought that the 757's went to America West airlines?

Sorry they did now USAirways. I saw one of them in PHX in Oct. 2006. I was ramp side. When NWA painted them they did not strip the RC colors off just painted OVER, and applied HP. How do I know? A group of us Republic people went down to the hangers and saw them working on it. Was a very sad day to us.

On a side note, after the merger we called ourselves Green Tail or Red Tail employees. Green---RC, Red--NWA. They also added a "0" to the front of your employee number if you were RC and a "1" if you were NW. ex 0135790 vs 1135790

Guys with the same seniority date as mine at NW made $15.25 hr while we at RC made $6.75 under a 3rd tire pay scale. New hires...1985. IIRC two years or so after the merger when the union issues were finally worked out everyone from RC had their pay go up. NW was hiring off the street at $9.50 under their IAM contract. At RC we had ALEA or something like that.



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User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 941 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

Yeah, I know what you mean. I have two cousins in MSP one a FA and one a ramper.(well he was anyways) both working for RC. When NW took over they felt like second class workers even though both were supervisors with RC after the merger they were no longer. In fact my cousin that was the ramper had new hires of NW that ended up being supervisors over him, he was so up set that he left the industry all together. My cousin that works as a FA is now retired she took early retirement when DL bought NW. But she got really high in the NW FA's leadership. Well that is what my uncle tells me anyways.


I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4947 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 6):
They also had stated they had placed an order for 4 DC-10-30's and were working on a order for "several 747's " as well. I know it was very crowed around four renderings of both birds on display at the meeting which I know I took several photo's of before I was stopped by a staff member saying "it was not yet for the public to know they were on the way."

Do you still have the photos? Anyone have any pics of what they would have looked like? Wow, imagine Herman on a DC-10 and 747! That would have been an amazing sight! Let alone, a 717 with Republic on it. Oh man, what could have been!

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 6):
As sunking737 said the 717 were going to be replacing the Mad Dogs as soon as they could get them, but that never happen the NWA merger was announced before the 717 order was placed.

The 717 would have been a much more popular plane. In fact, I wonder if that might have stopped a MD/Boeing deal?



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User currently offlineCody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 6):
I know it was very crowed around four renderings of both birds on display at the meeting which I know I took several photo's of before I was stopped by a staff member saying "it was not yet for the public to know they were on the way."

Were the models in the "Herman" scheme or the "Mary Tyler Moore" scheme? And yes please post photos if you have them. I am not sure how they would have done the tail of the DC-10 in the "Mary Tyler Moore" scheme. The area above the engine is just way to small to horizontally arrange the word, "Republic" and if they had placed it on the the engine they would have had a lot of white space above it.


User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 941 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3824 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 12):
Do you still have the photos? Anyone have any pics of what they would have looked like? Wow, imagine Herman on a DC-10 and 747! That would have been an amazing sight! Let alone, a 717 with Republic on it. Oh man, what could have been!


They were not models but renderings. and they were in the Herman scheme. And I'm not sure where the photo's might be if I even still have them. I lost my home of 23 years back in 2007 and I had less than a week to move out of my home and I know we lost a lot of things even photos and personal things before we were not aloud back into our home. I will try to find them But it may take a while, like weeks.



I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2178 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3779 times:

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 6):
As sunking737 said the 717 were going to be replacing the Mad Dogs as soon as they could get them, but that never happen the NWA merger was announced before the 717 order was placed.

The MD-95 (which became the 717) was not launched until 1995 - nine years after the NW / RC merger was announced. The MD-87, which was the MD-95 / 717's predecessor, however, was launched in 1985. I wouldn't be surprised if Republic considered buying MD-87s, but there is no way they would have considered buying MD-95s / 717s, because this aircraft wasn't even in the proposal stage until well after the merger.



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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3705 times:

We heard rumors that Douglas had DC-10 on the flight line ready for RC. It turned out to be for someone else. A lot of rumors in the dark days after the Hughes merger. I think that RC would have added the 717 or MD95 after all they were the largest DC9 operator in the world. The MD 80's they got were ordered by Southern IIRC. Some of them went to Muse Air on lease as RC needed the cash.


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User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3372 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3674 times:

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 10):
They also added a "0" to the front of your employee number if you were RC and a "1" if you were NW. ex 0135790 vs 1135790

It was the other way around...



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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 17):
It was the other way around...

I knew I would get it wrong but I got the idea across.

I will say this both companies had their problems. Things could have been handled better. The unions use the employees as pieces in a checkers game vs the company. I was told this after I left the company by an officer of IAM.



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4841 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

And this animosity from NW people continued for years after NW absorbed RC.

Here is a good example.

I flew NW MSP-DCA on a A320 about 1992 or so. I was wearing my Herman polo shirt. Just a white polo shirt with Herman on it.
When I got on the plane, the F F/A told me that "your shirt belongs in a museum, RC is history now". But when I got back to my seat the Y class F/A saw it and asked me to come to the galley and the two F/A's were happy to see it. In fact they comped two drinks for me.

Guess who worked for who......


Did the NW & RC people EVERY get over this?



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User currently offlineJETnyc From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 103 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3389 times:

I do rember Republic, flew from NYC to SAN on a Hughes Air 727. The seat belt buckle had the logo imprinted that was in the early 1980s.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 7):
No one will ever serve more cities than RC did at its height in 1981, 260.

I remember RC advertising, after they acquired Hughes Airwest, that they served more US cities than any other airline. Their route map was a real mish-mash before they started rationalizing it and cutting many of the small points served by Convair 580s etc.

RC route map effective December 1, 1980, two months after the merger with Hughes Airwest.
http://www.departedflights.com/RC120180.html

And October 25, 1981:
http://www.departedflights.com/RC102581.html

There are probably a fair number of cities on those maps that have no air service at all now.

[Edited 2011-02-19 18:36:31]

[Edited 2011-02-19 18:37:33]

User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 848 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3329 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 19):
And this animosity from NW people continued for years after NW absorbed RC.

Here is a good example.

I flew NW MSP-DCA on a A320 about 1992 or so. I was wearing my Herman polo shirt. Just a white polo shirt with Herman on it.
When I got on the plane, the F F/A told me that "your shirt belongs in a museum, RC is history now". But when I got back to my seat the Y class F/A saw it and asked me to come to the galley and the two F/A's were happy to see it. In fact they comped two drinks for me.

Guess who worked for who......


Did the NW & RC people EVERY get over this?

Probably not until the NW/DL merger, then they had other fish to fry. I dated a NW (red tail) F/A for 5 years. He was hired after the RC/NW merger so he didnt really care one way or the other. However he did say, that the ex RC employees were less abrasive than the Red Tails. Im sure now that its all DL, there is new animosity going around for them to deal with.
JD CRPXE



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User currently offlinenwa757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 19):
Did the NW & RC people EVERY get over this?

In short, no. There are still 0s and 1s. and QUACK QUACKs. Of course it's not nearly as bad as it was in the late 80s early 90s once the crews started to mix, but once and awhile it is brought up.


User currently offlineSquid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Stephan Wolf came in to clean up and finalize the merger of Hughes Airwest, and streamline Republic and prep them for a merger. Republic as a stand alone airline would have not lasted long. They had an old fleet that needed remodeling inside, they had a small network with no major international service, and a high debt load. At the same time, UA and AA were literaling blowing up in size and scale all through the 80's.

25 stratosphere : I think NWESC corrected you that it was the reverse. I actually hired on after the merger in 1988 and I was a 0. But anyone hired in 1989 or later ha
26 KarlB737 : Why did North Central change the name of their airline to Republic? Why couldn't they have kept it North Central. What was the eventual plan for the
27 nwaesc : Everyone received brand new employee numbers (at least on the NW side)... Completely random, and in a non sequential order.
28 knope2001 : I count 20 from the 1980 map with no serivce today. Except for Grand Canyon (which does have a minimal scheduled excursion flights to/from Boulder Ci
29 YXwatcherMKE : The Management stated in a letter to the stockholders that by changing to the New Name of Republic Airlines they were showing to their customers that
30 MKENut : I remember the commercials... "No one serves our republic like Republic."
31 ImperialEagle : Yes. "Repubic" did little to ingratiate itself to the old SO folks at stations such as ATL. First they yanked most of SO's -9's and sent us a bunch o
32 Post contains images Flaps : What a great analogy!
33 burnsie28 : America West It wasn't until May 8, 2002 that Express changed the name to Pinnacle. There was still a lot of that at the pilot side, there was blue b
34 milesrich : Boeing 717's, Republic? I don't think so. Republic was absorbed by NW on October 1, 1986. Boeing merged absorbed McDonnell Douglas ELEVEN years later
35 type-rated : SO did fly their DC-9's into some small airports, like GLH (Greenville,MS). Back in the 70's GLH wasn't anything at all like it is today. Not even a t
36 exFWAOONW : could the Martins power-back out of a gate?
37 F9Animal : I don't think the 580 could power-back out of the gate. The 9's could though.
38 exFWAOONW : Yes, the 580 could power back. We used the same gate for both DC-9s and 580s. In fact, it was more intense as the props kicked up a lot more crap off
39 sunking737 : Oh there is nothing like having control over a 580 during power back. The DC-9 and 727 were a blast also. I still remember how to do it. The only bad
40 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : The employee numbers did get a 1 or 0 in front of their former airline employee number. However, the Red Tails got the 0 and the Green Tails (Republi
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