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MH's A380s/B747-400s  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9807 times:

How many B 747-400s does MH have? Where do they fly them to? AMS, LHR, SYD, EZE etc. I remember they once had 17. Now 11-13?

How many A380s did they order? 6? How many options?

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User currently offlineaflyingkiwi From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9750 times:

Malaysia Airlines have 10 747-400's and six A380's on order which will be delivered from 2012 onwards.

The 744 is currently used to AMS, LHR, SYD plus on the KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE route.

Regards,
aflyingkiwi


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9737 times:

Only 10? What happened to the 11th? Also LAX?

Any options for the A 380s? Will they order more?


User currently onlineairpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 946 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9555 times:

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 1):
The 744 is currently used to AMS, LHR, SYD plus on the KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE route.

The JED route gets it seasonally - and it's used on charters too. Recent troubles in Egypt - and fact that the Malaysian government sends thousands of students there - have ironically become a godsend for the airline's utilization of the 744, in a massive state-sponsored "evacuation" exercise.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
Only 10?

Not too many?

Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
Also LAX?

KUL-TPE-LAX, the airline's only North American route, is 3 times weekly by 772ER.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
Any options for the A 380s? Will they order more?

I don't remember it being reported that MH has options for any further 380s beyond the six ordered. It's hard to predict what the airline will do these days after the departure of its former CEO Idris Jala (who is now a government minister). Idris was instrumental in many of the airline's cost-cutting measures and under him, it was quite safe to assume there wouldn't be any more 380s - indeed the original 380 order was probably in jeopardy too. Under the new CEO Azmil Zahruddin, one gets the impression he's more amenable to the government's requests - which means keeping a tight ship may not necessarily be the top priority. The days of "showcasing Malaysia" via grandiose projects appear to be back. So I wouldn't be surprised at all if MH orders more 380s. Whether it should be ordering them is quite a separate matter...


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9547 times:

I thought they still have 11 B 747-400s.

I believe they will get up to 10 A 380s for flights to LAX, SYD, AMS, LHR, JED, EZE etc.

EZE still a B 747-400?


User currently offlinevincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8988 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
Any options for the A 380s? Will they order more?
MH has option of 3, 9 total if exercised.

ps. I remembered this number when they ordered the initial 6, but I'm not finding anything about it right now, so perhaps this is incorrect.

[Edited 2011-02-19 06:21:12]

User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7437 times:

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 1):
The 744 is currently used to AMS, LHR, SYD plus on the KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE route.

JNB was delinked from the route and is now a terminator 3 weekly B772ER service. KUL-CPT-EZE is a 2 weekly B744 service. MH had requested for an increase of service to 3 weekly but it was denied by the South African authority.

Quoting airpearl (Reply 3):
The JED route gets it seasonally - and it's used on charters too.

JED will be served by the B744 primarily beginning 27 March 2011. MAS Increase KUL-JED (by behramjee Feb 18 2011 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7183 times:

Quoting vincewy (Reply 5):
MH has option of 3, 9 total if exercised.

ps. I remembered this number when they ordered the initial 6, but I'm not finding anything about it right now, so perhaps this is incorrect.

Do they still have the options?


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4314 times:

Quoting airpearl (Reply 3):
KUL-TPE-LAX, the airline's only North American route, is 3 times weekly by 772ER.

What about EWR?


User currently onlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1806 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

Malaysia Airlines has 12 Boeing 747-400s in service, of which two are freighters (9M-MPR & 9M-MPS).

Three additional aircraft are leased to Alwafeer Air (9M-MPD, 9M-MPI & 9M-MPJ) as HZ-AWA1/2/3 for 6 years... 8 further aircraft have left the fleet entirely.

http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/Malaysia-Airlines


User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 778 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 8):

The last segment of the KUL-ARN-EWR route was axed acouple of months ago ...



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 4):
I believe they will get up to 10 A 380s for flights to LAX, SYD, AMS, LHR, JED, EZE etc.

I have my doubts on seeing the MH A380's operating the KUL-SYD routes... Till recent MH was operating 1x daily and have just added extra capacity in the evening utilizing a B772ER... BUT I wouldn't be complaining to A380s 2 x EK, 2 x QF, 2 x SQ and 1 x MH on a daily basis!

EK413



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User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Quoting MHG (Reply 10):
The last segment of the KUL-ARN-EWR route was axed acouple of months ago ...

The entire routing was cut. Both ARN and EWR were no longer in MH's network.

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 9):
Malaysia Airlines has 12 Boeing 747-400s in service, of which two are freighters (9M-MPR & 9M-MPS).

Three additional aircraft are leased to Alwafeer Air (9M-MPD, 9M-MPI & 9M-MPJ) as HZ-AWA1/2/3 for 6 years... 8 further aircraft have left the fleet entirely.

Precise summary. In addition, 9M-MPQ, the youngest B744 named Kuala Lumpur was also refurbished to 12F + 442Y with 0J and the whole upper deck holding 60Y seats and is primarily used by MH' charter arm.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
I have my doubts on seeing the MH A380's operating the KUL-SYD routes... Till recent MH was operating 1x daily and have just added extra capacity in the evening utilizing a B772ER...

The airline has made it quite clear that the A380s are meant for 2 daily KUL-LHR vv and 1 daily KUL-SYD vv service. MH has always had 2 daily service into SYD. But the B772 flights (MH 140/141) were reduced to only 5 weekly service and tagged-on with BNE on the way back to KUL forming a triangular KUL-SYD-BNE-KUL routing in the past few years until very recently (presumably feeling the heat of D7's expected entry into SYD which is currently being halted by the Malaysian government in favour of MH), where the tag-on was diminished and the service is back to 2 daily non stop KUL-SYD vv, 1 on B744 and another 1 on B772.

BNE gets 5 weekly non stop service from KUL but is assigned with the regional old A333s. However, BNE will be the launch destination of MH's new A333 this coming 15 May 2011.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 12):

The airline has made it quite clear that the A380s are meant for 2 daily KUL-LHR vv and 1 daily KUL-SYD vv service. MH has always had 2 daily service into SYD. But the B772 flights (MH 140/141) were reduced to only 5 weekly service and tagged-on with BNE on the way back to KUL forming a triangular KUL-SYD-BNE-KUL routing in the past few years until very recently (presumably feeling the heat of D7's expected entry into SYD which is currently being halted by the Malaysian government in favour of MH), where the tag-on was diminished and the service is back to 2 daily non stop KUL-SYD vv, 1 on B744 and another 1 on B772.

BNE gets 5 weekly non stop service from KUL but is assigned with the regional old A333s. However, BNE will be the launch destination of MH's new A333 this coming 15 May 2011.

Cheers, thankyou for updating me 9MMAR,

I wasnt well aware the A380 was intended to operate the KUL-SYD sector... Now I most certainly have something to smile about as I will be witnessing another A380 at SYD 
Any updates on the scheduled delivery dates...?

EK413



Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We are tonight’s entertainment!
User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

Actually, the local enthusiasts think that the future deployment of MH's A380 into SYD is the main reason on why D7 (AirAsia X) is still not given the green light by the Malaysian government to fly into the airport. There is no problem from the Australian side.

The first A380 is scheduled to be delivered in April 2012. Based on the old delivery schedule, MH is expected to receive 1 A380 per month consecutively. But now with the RR engine problem (which MH chose), we are not sure if there will be further delay or not. MH firmed their A380 order in 2003. We have to wait for 9 years for the first aircraft to be delivered.


User currently offline777MAS From Malaysia, joined Sep 2003, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3094 times:

I've always wondered whether MH nowadays needs the 747, let alone A380. Stiff competition from Air Asia X on some of its prime routes (e.g. KUL - LHR) already ate into its market share, and this is likely to be the same elsewhere.

I recently saw its timetable, and what struck me was that the 747 and 777 are flying to fewer places compared to say 10 years ago. Some of the places previously served by their A330 are now downgraded to B738. It looks like a retreat in the face of D7. And let's face it, Malaysia isn't an "affluent" origin market, so many people here tend to be price-sensitive. So, MH is really in a no-win situation in the face of D7!

So, the BIG question remains: HOW do you fill up such a big plane? Doing it by selling super-cheap isn't going to make you money.... I'm inclined to agree with the following comment:-


Quoting airpearl (Reply 3):
Under the new CEO Azmil Zahruddin, one gets the impression he's more amenable to the government's requests - which means keeping a tight ship may not necessarily be the top priority. The days of "showcasing Malaysia" via grandiose projects appear to be back


User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2107 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

Quoting 777MAS (Reply 15):
I've always wondered whether MH nowadays needs the 747, let alone A380. Stiff competition from Air Asia X on some of its prime routes (e.g. KUL - LHR) already ate into its market share, and this is likely to be the same elsewhere.

But with the 380 you get some advantages over your competition. Once they are in service I can see some more coming on stream.


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

Quoting 777MAS (Reply 15):
Stiff competition from Air Asia X on some of its prime routes (e.g. KUL - LHR) already ate into its market share, and this is likely to be the same elsewhere.

Incorrect for LHR. Based on KUL passengers traffic information in 2009, LHR recorded an increase of 0.4% (up to 402,162 passengers from 400,564 passengers in 2008). This is on top another 122,915 passengers recorded for STN. So actually D7 is growing a new market at STN while MH is still growing at LHR, based on this instance.


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