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CX To LGW And EWR?  
User currently offlinecx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9703 times:
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CX has already four daily to LHR and will have 4 to JFK in May, will CX start the five daily or to LGW and EWK if the slots are full??

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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9699 times:

Quoting cx828 (Thread starter):
CX has already four daily to LHR and will have 4 to JFK in May, will CX start the five daily or to LGW and EWK if the slots are full??

I very much doubt we would see CX start a flight to LGW in the near future.


User currently offlinecx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9688 times:
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But if they have demand, will LHR offer so many slots as many as CX require ??

User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9633 times:

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 1):
I very much doubt we would see CX start a flight to LGW in the near future

Why not? Both QR and EK do, as i'm sure they would love more slots at LHR.
Fly Oasis Hong Kong used to operate from LGW.


User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9591 times:

Quoting santos (Reply 3):
Fly Oasis Hong Kong used to operate from LGW.

Yes they did, but what does that have to do with this? Cathay have a very good operation at LHR, I don't think though there is the market for LGW flights as well. It has good ground staff, a fantastic new lounge. Setting up at LGW will cost a fair bit, and is LGW not busy slot wise due to the single runway?


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9592 times:

LGW taps a different market to LHR. Not sure though whether CX would return to LGW. Remember it served LGW for over 10 years (from 1980 when it first arrived in the UK) before it decided to transfer its flights over to LHR.
Maybe CX would find market at STN. After all, Air AsiaX seems to be doing well at the Essex airport.


User currently offlinecx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9538 times:
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Of course stay at LHR is the best, provide unlimited slots as CX demand, if not try LGW or STN is ok. Initial cost is high of rthe first flight, but as more flights start, the fixed cost will be lower. What i say is if there is profit on this route, any airport in London can be used.

User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9525 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 5):
Maybe CX would find market at STN. After all, Air AsiaX seems to be doing well at the Essex airport.

At LGW they could code share with BA and use them to feed their flights((Oneworld)! At STN they wouldn't have anyone to do this!
Air Asia X caters for a different market!


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9513 times:

You are more likely to see CX add MAN as a second (passenger) UK destination than LGW.


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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9450 times:

Quoting santos (Reply 7):
At LGW they could code share with BA and use them to feed their flights((Oneworld)!

Yes, that's true. Good idea.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 8):
You are more likely to see CX add MAN as a second (passenger) UK destination than LGW.

I agree. What a pity that CX could not obtain Moscow-Manchester 5th freedom rights a few years back. If it had, then it would already be serving MAN.


User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9305 times:

Quoting cx828 (Reply 2):
But if they have demand, will LHR offer so many slots as many as CX require ??

Why do you think Gatwick has any free slots!?

Quoting cx828 (Reply 6):
What i say is if there is profit on this route, any airport in London can be used.

Duh! Basic economics - profit maximization, opportunity cost and economy of scale!?

Quoting santos (Reply 7):
At LGW they could code share with BA and use them to feed their flights((Oneworld)!

Have a look at where BA flies to from Gatwick. Where are the connections coming from?



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User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1036 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9294 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 9):

I agree. What a pity that CX could not obtain Moscow-Manchester 5th freedom rights a few years back. If it had, then it would already be serving MAN.

Didn't CX serve MAN a few times a week, back in the 1990s? I seem to remember something like HKG-FRA-MAN, but then my memory isn't what it used to be.


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9282 times:
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Quoting LondonCity (Reply 9):
What a pity that CX could not obtain Moscow-Manchester 5th freedom rights a few years back. If it had, then it would already be serving MAN.

What a pity the 138000 passengers (per a CAA survey) that route MAN-LHR-HKG were not afforded the "luxury" of a non-stop flight 4 times a week. There's a desperately poor rumour for MAN that they are only looking to add the route in 2016.


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9256 times:

Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 10):
Have a look at where BA flies to from Gatwick. Where are the connections coming from?

I hear what you say. But there could be enough end-to-end traffic to support HKG-LGW. Remember that there are many 1,000s of Chinese students in the UK and they are happy to fly into London and continue by surface transport.


User currently offlinecx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9184 times:
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Besides CX, QF, AZ , Virgin and of course BA also serve HKG-LHR, I think lots of students can use anylines to serve end-to end as "Londoncity" said, that mean as CX deliver the passengers and students to London city, that is enough, doesn't care to whether LHR, LGW or STN, if possible.

User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9168 times:

Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 10):
Have a look at where BA flies to from Gatwick. Where are the connections coming from?

Amsterdam, Bologna, Bordeaux, Catania, Dubrovnik, Edinburgh, Faro, Genoa, Glasgow-International, Jersey, Luxembourg [ends 26 March], Málaga [resumes 27 March], Manchester, Marrakech [resumes 27 March], Marseille, Naples,Pristina, Rome-Fiumicino, Salzburg, Thessaloniki, Tirana, Tunis, Turin, Venice-Marco Polo, Verona
Seasonal: Bari, Cagliari, Geneva, Ibiza, Innsbruck, Paphos, Pisa

And Malev(oneworld) flies to Budapest from LGW


User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9096 times:

It is true that slots at LHR and JFK are not easy to come by but neither are slots at LGW or EWR. So I'm not really sure I see the point.


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User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9006 times:

EWR I would say is always possible, good presence by many of the international legacies. LGW, maybe do not see it happening. LGW is farther from downtown (I hate how the gatwick express is about the only decent option to get there) and seems to be meant more for LCC's and lower yield travelers. STN or LTN, those are to dam far from the city, no business travel would want to fly in there. There is a reason why STN and LTN are dominated by LCC's and charters

User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8968 times:

Quoting ordjoe (Reply 17):
LGW is farther from downtown (I hate how the gatwick express is about the only decent option to get there)



I live and work in central London and for me is actually cheaper and quicker to get to LGW than LHR
Both Gatwick and Heathrow express are very expensive, so that leaves me with 30 to 35 mins train from Victoria to LGW(Southern Trains) or the 40 to 50 mins journey on the underground to LHR.


User currently offlineewrkid From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8922 times:

Quoting ordjoe (Reply 17):
EWR I would say is always possible,

Yeah, But I would hope we would see ANA or Asiana before we would see CX...I hope ANA serves EWR!


User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8706 times:

I can't see CX going to either airport...CX has established presences at both LHR and JFK and would likely be loathe to move...and the market tends towards flight times when there are, believe it or not, slots available...but will we see 5x daily? Markets don't tend to develop so quickly, it'll be a while before flight 4 sets in in JFK at least.


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User currently offlinewestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 750 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8704 times:

Sorry to go OT but:

Quoting santos (Reply 18):
Both Gatwick and Heathrow express are very expensive, so that leaves me with 30 to 35 mins train from Victoria to LGW(Southern Trains) or the 40 to 50 mins journey on the underground to LHR.

Can you clarify for me? Is there actually a Heathrow Express like the Gatwick Express? In the latter part of the above, you then mention the Underground to LHR which seems contradictory so you got me curious. Thanks in advance.

While I LOVE LHR's superior jumbo jet offerings, I do admire the Gatwick Express from Victoria station. Roomy, air-conditioned (no, LON isn't hot very often, but when it is, the A/C is definitely welcome), smoother and nonstop....as opposed to the Underground to LHR.

Back to the topic - I agree with previous statements that MAN seems like the more logical 2nd city for CX.



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User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8376 times:

Quoting western727 (Reply 21):
Can you clarify for me? Is there actually a Heathrow Express like the Gatwick Express? In the latter part of the above, you then mention the Underground to LHR which seems contradictory so you got me curious. Thanks in advance.



Yes, there is Gatwick Express, From Victoria Station to LGW, Direct it takes 30 mins.
www.gatwickexpress.com

Or Southern trains offer a cheaper alternative, train stops 2 or 3 times, but it only takes 35-40 mins.
http://www.southernrailway.com/

To LHR: From central London you can take the underground- Piccadilly line( Dark Blue Line) to LHR terminal 134&5. It costs around £5 one way, but it takes 40 to 50 mins..

Or the heathrow Express:
http://www.heathrowexpress.com/ From Paddington Train Station direct to Heathrow

[Edited 2011-02-19 12:00:40]

User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8293 times:

Quoting western727 (Reply 21):
Is there actually a Heathrow Express like the Gatwick Express?

Yes. Heathrow Express takes 15 minutes from Heathrow Central to Paddington or vice versa. See here. There is also a less expensive stopping service, Heathrow Connect, which takes 25 minutes. See here.



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User currently offlineheathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6493 times:

You can also take First Capital Connect straight through London to LGW. It also serves LTN airport parkway, which can be convenient, not that I can see CX at LTN!

If they need more slots, why don't they buddy up with BA like they did with AA and share frequencies?

Just a thought


25 cx828 : BA once have three daily HKG-LHR a couples of years ago but cut to two due to SARS, i think they still own that slot, don;t know why BA doesn't get ba
26 United Airline : I guess you mean NZ. They started the 3rd daily flight after SARS. They changed BA 31/32 to a B 777-200ER then they cut the whole thing altogether af
27 cx828 : is it possible that CX buy the BA's slot/?? or rent ??
28 VC10DC10 : My understanding is that, despite the OneWorld alliance and so on and so forth, BA and CX compete for traffic on LON-HKG.
29 cx828 : So that mean BA still have a slot on hand between HKG-LHR?
30 Viscount724 : Those are largely low-yield leisure destinations and most aren't very frequent, meaning connecting times would likely be poor. There are far more con
31 CX Flyboy : Remember CX flies the freighter into LHR several times a week. They only do this in order to keep the slot active, so that when they need additional f
32 Slinky09 : I should think it's deployed to another more profitable route. And don't forget VS had two daily flights and dropped one. So, BA is down one, VS is d
33 david_itl : The CX37 that had the normal winter displacement from LHR to EMA metamorphosed into an extra MAN service as it seemed logical to move it to an airpor
34 cx828 : so actually cx can negotiate and rent with BA or virgin for another extra LHR service, i think they both side will be happy, a win win situation. By t
35 david_itl : They can approach any airline. The slots are not route specific, so if CX wants slots they may have to pay a large premium if they are a commercially
36 jrfspa320 : I dont really understand why LGW is London's second airport. I think STN is a far better choice. Its a much nicer airport, with direct rail link to th
37 kaitak : It's really because it's chronologically second; LHR became London Airport in 1954/55, when Northolt closed; Gatwick opened in 1961 and Stansted didn
38 kdhurst380 : The problem being that Heathrow has always been the jewel in the BAA crown, hell knows why, unless you're flying from T5, it's a dive. I remember fly
39 cx828 : Seem STN has its potential, why not CX start to establish to STN as most of the people are end-to end paseenger. As kdhurst380 said LHR only crown to
40 david_itl : If all we are concerned about is the inability to send all passengers to LHR whose ultimate destination is London, then they need to be convinced to
41 cx828 : BA will lost the LHR-MAN if direct flight has started, just guess, will that be British Government try to protect BA??
42 kdhurst380 : Not nowadays, been a long time since BA was state owned. Besides, now we have openskies across the entire EU, airlines can stop and start wherever th
43 Slinky09 : No it's not - your experience of LHR is entirely dependent on your status and which terminal you use. In some, e.g. T3 and VS in UC it's a bloody mar
44 CX Flyboy : Terminal 3 is like a refugee camp at the times of day that CX flies, doesn't matter what airline and class you fly!
45 Airbus_A340 : I have to second CX Flyboy's comments- T3 is a joke compared to many airport terminals, it really does resemble a refugee camp when it's busy!
46 Slinky09 : Well I didn't comment on T3 as a whole, read again, I said it depends on your experience. If you get a drive through check in on VS, private security
47 VV701 : It is arguable that BA are significantly disadvantaged in having their main hub at LHR. They are therefore not free to operate all of the services the
48 cx828 : BA also have a slot from HKG-LHR but terminated after the economic tsunami, possible tranfer to CX??
49 jfk777 : Cathay flew to LGW when it started flying to London because "Gatwick" was the designated airport for new airlines after 1978, all airlines flying to L
50 Viscount724 : One runway is a big limitation in the ability to offer high-frequency service (a priority for the "stockbrokers"), especially at commercially-attract
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