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Rumor: CX 2 Daily To ORD With First Not Even Launched?  
User currently offlinecx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4838 times:
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From another topic "CX to GRU or EZE", quote from post 9 CX FLyboy, " Rumours are they are already looking at 10x a week or even double daily ORD services based on the incredible demand for the route which has not even started yet."

UA has already deployed on this route for almost 10 years and still has no sign for second daily, CX is planning the second daily with the first not even launched?? Demand so high or CX too aggressive??

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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12600 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4707 times:

Quoting cx828 (Thread starter):
UA has already deployed on this route for almost 10 years and still has no sign for second daily, CX is planning the second daily with the first not even launched?? Demand so high or CX too aggressive??

Doesn't surprise me in the least; CX's product will decimate UA's and I would not be surprised to see them downscale to a 777-200ER, if they do decide to stay on it. CX has at least double daily on its existing US routes, indeed more to some of them and when you have a route which links CX's home base and one of AA's largest hubs, it was really only a matter of time before they went to twice daily. The timings on the current route will not suit all potential connections, so the new flight, whenever that happens, will address this.

I guess the big question is, where next in the US for CX? DFW?


User currently offlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1091 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

Quoting cx828 (Thread starter):
UA has already deployed on this route for almost 10 years and still has no sign for second daily, CX is planning the second daily with the first not even launched?? Demand so high or CX too aggressive??

Wrong.

UA used to have 10x weekly 744 service. Surely more seats than CX. I believe it went back to daily w/the recession.

CX will have strong demand as they currently do not have a midwest connection to the US and taking advantage of AA's hub, their service, and AA corporate contracts.

Surely makes you realize how foolish those AA pilots who turned the route down are and what they cost AA in profits. Amazing they could not work it out.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4605 times:

Quoting cx828 (Thread starter):
UA has already deployed on this route for almost 10 years and still has no sign for second daily, CX is planning the second daily with the first not even launched?? Demand so high or CX too aggressive??

This would certainly be excellent news if CX decides to operate HKG-ORD double daily! I'm sure that CX will also do well with cargo on this route.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
Doesn't surprise me in the least; CX's product will decimate UA's and I would not be surprised to see them downscale to a 777-200ER, if they do decide to stay on it.

I agree that CX's new business class product will certainly have a negative affect on UA's yields on the route.

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 2):
Surely makes you realize how foolish those AA pilots who turned the route down are and what they cost AA in profits. Amazing they could not work it out.

I do not think that they turned this route down, perhaps your thinking of the DFW-PEK route.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4540 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
Doesn't surprise me in the least; CX's product will decimate UA's and I would not be surprised to see them downscale to a 777-200ER, if they do decide to stay on it.

Oh dear, it was only about 3 weeks ago we had a similar thread about this and how of course UA were simply going to have to pull out of the route that they have had for years.  

Suggest you might want to read this thread first and gauge for yourself why UA will not be going anywhere soon and if anything may counter and increase frequency.

CX's Upcoming HKG-ORD Service, Threat To UA? (by cx828 Feb 5 2011 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlinecx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4439 times:
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the post before is to discuss whether the launch of CX will threat UA, that is zero sum game or not.
While this post is to discuss after both have one flight per day and both have their advocates, still have the demand of the second daily, i.e., so fast??


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Quoting cx828 (Reply 5):
the post before is to discuss whether the launch of CX will threat UA, that is zero sum game or not.
While this post is to discuss after both have one flight per day and both have their advocates, still have the demand of the second daily, i.e., so fast??

I of course was responding to Kaitak.

CX will do well on this route, an OW carrier has been screaming out to fill this route for years. Why AA never started it is beyond me and others.

Of course you are only working on a rumour and until CX start it daily and see how it goes, increasing frquency before they start seems a little optimistic. Can you quite a source?


User currently offlinecx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4140 times:
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Hi Kai Tak As you said "I guess the big question is, where next in the US for CX? DFW?" The topic seems interesting, why not you start a new topic and let other share?

User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4887 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3667 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
This would certainly be excellent news if CX decides to operate HKG-ORD double daily! I'm sure that CX will also do well with cargo on this route.

they already send a 744F there several times a week, whether it can support 2 daily 77w and the same number of all cargo flights I doubt.


User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
I agree that CX's new business class product will certainly have a negative affect on UA's yields on the route

That may turn out to be the case. However, UA is in in Star Alliance. I would think that, perhaps, UA is has the Star Alliance memebrs, while CX and AA are going after Oneworld pax.

So maybe, in the end, both CX and UA can co-exist on the ORD route.


User currently offlinecx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3124 times:
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I think it is possible, with YYZ is going to be double daily in May, there is no reason that ORD cannot.

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15845 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
I guess the big question is, where next in the US for CX? DFW?

Well, unless this is a route AA has in mind for their new 77Ws, this will have to be CX if it happens.



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User currently offlinecx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2991 times:
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As CX's practice, the second of ORD will be established before DFW??

User currently offlineac033 From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2008, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Quoting cx828 (Reply 10):
I think it is possible, with YYZ is going to be double daily in May, there is no reason that ORD cannot.

YYZ is another total different story..... YYZ can produce huge amount of transit passengers and They have enough customers that is willing transit through HKG to other cities in South Asia. So they have enough market to do 2xDaily.

ORD... I don't know what is the situation down there,


User currently offlineORDnHKG From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2489 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
I would not be surprised to see them downscale to a 777-200ER

There is weight restriction even using a 744, if it is a 772, it would further limit the load they can carry.


User currently offlinecx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2284 times:
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so UA's 744 has to be nearly 100%full in order to generate profit as there is weight restriction.

User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4069 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2254 times:
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Quoting ac033 (Reply 13):

YYZ is another total different story..... YYZ can produce huge amount of transit passengers and They have enough customers that is willing transit through HKG to other cities in South Asia. So they have enough market to do 2xDaily.

Exactly! And YYZ is a huge Star hub with AC being based their for their primary hub fortress.

I think we could see CX increasing their service to more than daily but at first I think it would go from daily to 10X weekly, with the less ideal departure time being flown 3X weekly and the better going daily. This would be a good route for a 748i.

Considering the product UA has on offer to their Star members, it could be a potential threat straight across the board since CX inflight product in all classes is hundreds of times further ahead than either AA or UA. This is to AA's benefit to have CX fly the route instead of them taking it on with their high costs and subpar product offerings.


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