wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6141 posts, RR: 5 Posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6419 times:
I travel from SEA in the mornings fairly frequently and noticed that AS occupies the majority of the gates there as RON's. Obviously, there are a couple of open gates to receive flights from ANC and FAI in the early morning.
On the other hand, DFW is almost dead in the early mornings, with the majority of the RON's at out-stations.
Are there other airline hubs that have a lot of RON's? ORD? ATL?
By design (most of the time) large single airline hubs will not have a lot of RON a/c. I mentioned this in the AGS/A319. ATL does not host a lot of RON a/c.
As a matter of fact, the opotunity for more mainline RON gates ha risen in the past month in Atlanta for ATL. Delta recently added lead-in lines on quite a few gates on C that can take DC9s up to the 738 on most and 319s on a few. And not it's not just for IROP. C30 got RIC's evening 738 and today, there are 5 mainline inbounds into C.
MattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6048 times:
We (AC) typically have a fair number of gates occupied during the night (depending on the day of the week) here in YYZ. Hangar bays and infield cargo usually have their fair share of overnighters as well.
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SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 6009 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5982 times:
Quoting MattRB (Reply 2): We typically have a fair number of gates occupied during the night (depending on the day of the week). Hangar bays and infield cargo usually have their fair share of overnighters as well
Sorry, where is "we"? (What city are you referring to?)
co777dal From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5807 times:
Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 4): The last time I took an early morning flight out of EWR it seemed every conceivable space was occupied by an aircraft.
I have noticed that too with Continental at both EWR and IAH. There are many planes RON each night and Saturday Morning is crazy at IAH. There are planes parked everywhere!!! I counted over 15 RJs once in a line parked out by Terminal D. Planes parked where ever they could find space as CO runs a limited schedule on Saturday.
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MSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 2450 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5766 times:
Hubs with more RONs probably have a combination of high O&D and/or occupy a geographical position on or a near an "edge" (like an ocean). Basically the less connectivity a hub has, the more need for that RON aircraft to stay there.
Maybe that's your experience/perception, but not mine. AA has tons of RONs at DFW each night - many at the gate, and many also over at the hangars. Sure, with one airline holding 80+ gates, it stands to reason that even with lots of RONs a lot of those gates won't be full every night, but that is true of just about every "hub" I've ever seen in my life.
In fact, the only "hub" I've ever seen that truly looks packed - relatively speaking - overnight is Hawaiian in HNL, where the 717s pretty much all RON at HNL each night.
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 11): Doesn't the majority of the AA morning departures out of both DFW and ORD consist of inbound redeyes?
Not even close. There are only a handful of redeyes into each hub each morning - more to DFW, but even there it's less than 20. Contrast that with the probably 100 AA departures out of DFW before 9am.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 8029 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5160 times:
Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Reply 8): When I was in DTW last week, I noticed a lot of RON at the lower A Concourse. I checked into my room at the Westin around 6pm, and most of them were still there when I left around 8am.
DTW does have a fair number of mainline RONs. Mostly due to how the departure banks are structured. The 7pm departure bank has the last big push of mainline west/southbound flights, meanwhile there are a decent number of mainline arrivals between 7pm-11pm. The 9:30-10pm departure bank mostly goes to the northeast/mid-Atlantic/intra-Michigan is mostly RJ / 76 seaters. The 7am departure bank is primarily for O&D.
jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4276 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4417 times:
True middle of the country hubs don't have a lot of RONs
A hub is designed to bring people in and spit people out. To start that process in the morning you have to "prime the pump" by having very early morning departures from out stations that connect to an early bank of flights at the hub.
Then there are the "fake" hubs as I like to call them. These are usually in LARGE cities that an airline calls a hub because their focus on the city has become so large that it naturally defers to the "hub" word.
For instance, when I used to work at Eagle, DFW, ORD, LAX, BOS, LGA, MIA, and SJU were all hubs. They were all crew bases for flight and cabin crew. They all had base admins. Virtually every flight in the system started or ended at these bases (exceptions of JFK, RDU, DCA).
But the true hubs were DFW and ORD and they didn't have many RONs in proportion to the size of the operation. When you looked at a base like LGA or BOS, every gate was occupied at night because there were 6 am departures to XNA, DCA, RDU, etc.
The focus of the coastal "hubs" in major cities was really O and D oriented with some connecting pax as opposed to middle of the country hubs with huge volumes of connecting pax in proportion to O and D.
So hubs with lot's of RONs relative to the size of the operation:
Hubs that have a much smaller number of RONs relative to the size of the operation
dwcontroller From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4000 times:
Landed at 4:30am in ATL on a red eye from the west coast a few weeks and ago and the airport is eerily dead. A large majority of aircraft at outstations working early am flight to Atlanta to then to depart to everywhere else in the world. But wait and hour or two and arrivals start pouring in from everywhere and the place is back to being a mad house.
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Alasizon From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3216 times:
Quoting sxf24 (Reply 14): SEA is unique in that every AS gate is occupied by a RON.
Not always, there usually is a couple open gates on D or on N from the late night SEA-California push that usually aren't filled by the incoming California-SEA groupings. A couple of them end up taking the early AM flights from ANC, FAI and JNU.
Remain OverNight (or Remain Over Night, depending on how you break up the words). They are aircraft that aren't flying during the night and are parked at the airport. Usually, most aircraft have a light maintenance check performed on them after their last flight.
I'm curious of how many of those planes at IAH were some of the red-eye's from the West coast. I say that cause I commuted on the SFO-IAH flight that arrived at midnight for almost a year and IAH seemed empty to me around midnight. One other consideration is a.c being towed from the hangar overnight to the gate.
So much so that back in '06-'07 they started stacking RON's at other station since SEA has no room. There were a few very late running flights just to accomplish this. At SFO we had 5 RONs at onc point (with 3 gates) and SEA management was exploring a 6th. LAX in '07 had 9, not including the Mexico red-eyes, with 6 over night gates.
Good point. Does an a.c that is towed from the hangar overnight count as a RON? UA doesn't have a lot of planes on the gate at SFO overnight, but planes trickle over from the MOC between midnight and 6a. Add in the 4 Hawaii red-eyes and now you have pretty full terminal at 6-7am.
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