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How Come Few Euro Carriers Have 757s?  
User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13211 times:

Keep in mind I haven't been to Europe yet and I've only seen pics on a.net. Also, if any airlines once had them I probably wasn't born yet. To my knowledge, only BA, Air Greenland, Icelandair, Air Berlin(maybe) have them. If the others once had them then why did they get rid of them? Thanks.


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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2364 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13197 times:

Too big an aircraft ?

User currently offlinejrfspa320 From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13200 times:

Generally most flag carriers fly airbus and the A321 is more efficient.

User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2364 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13191 times:

They werent though in the 1980's though.....

User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6732 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13108 times:

Too much airplane for the potential routes. Range not needed for intra european routes, and for longer flights, widebodies are preferred. Even on shorter routes A300s were common when the 757 was selling.


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User currently offlinekdhurst380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13085 times:

A few UK charters still operate them, particularly at airports around Europe with shorter runways, those Rollers kick up a bit of a stink getting off those little Greek runways. I don't know about the rest of Europe but if you go to charter hubs like Gatwick, Manchester etc, you will spot quite a few of them.

User currently offlineEaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13037 times:

BA and Air Greenland have gotten rid of their 757's. But the answer is obviously range. They just don't need it. Icelandair needs them because basically all their planes are operating transatlantic. Techincally European airlines could use them for direct transatlantic flights but they all seem to just route the traffic through their hubs. But I wonder: Does Air Berlin still have theirs.

User currently offlineaquariusHKG From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2010, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12918 times:

757 in Europe is more popular with Charter and Holiday airlines, e.g. Monarch, Condor etc. Most UK charter airline operated 757 at one time or another, and is popular with German and Dutch operator too


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but they do fly for many carrier such as Finnair and Iberia


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while most other European airlines mostly opted for the A310 for the job


User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12848 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
Keep in mind I haven't been to Europe yet and I've only seen pics on a.net. Also, if any airlines once had them I probably wasn't born yet. To my knowledge, only BA, Air Greenland, Icelandair, Air Berlin(maybe) have them. If the others once had them then why did they get rid of them? Thanks.

BA have now retired the 757 from its fleet  


User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1452 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12720 times:

The B757 was designed for US East-westcoast flights.
All major european routes are a lot shorter than SFO-JFK or even DFW-JFK!
Comparable to these sectors are the major Holiday routes, from Germany or UK to the Canaries Turkey or Egypt.
In addition there was the A300/310 series which was perfect to handle the cargo demand.
I remember FRA-FCO flights where the A300 took 15 tons cargo. Just impossible for the B752!


User currently offlineflyboy_se From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 829 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12699 times:

Here are the airlines i can think of that still have them

Air Baltic
Tuifly Nordic
Finnair
Icelandair
Air Italy
Monarch
Thompsonfly
Astraeus
Jet2
Privatair
Air Berlin
Air Finland
Thomas Cook
Condor
Vim Airlines
Blue Panorama
Open Skies
First Choice
Sun Express
Nordwind Airlines
Euro Atlantic
iFly
Titan Airways
Air Greenland

Now it could be that some of these have dissapeared, however i dont think that is few airlines.
Most of them air operated by charter airlines. However 757 is not a new model and many airlines have replaced theirs. BA being the latest one.



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User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12554 times:

Quoting aquariusHKG (Reply 7):
757 in Europe is more popular with Charter and Holiday airlines, e.g. Monarch, Condor etc. Most UK charter airline operated 757 at one time or another, and is popular with German and Dutch operator too

It's 2011... Most examples you provide are no longer valid.

Transavia - left the fleet in 2003 (replaced by 737-800s)
LTU - left the fleet in 2003
Balair (which became Belair and is now Air Berlin) - left the fleet a few months ago
Iberia - left the fleet in 2006, replaced by A321s

For Finnair, although a scheduled carrier, their 757s are used for charters ops. Finnair uses the range of the 757s on routes to the Canaries and the USA. They will be replaced by new A321 ERs, with sharklets, which also allow for HEL-TFS.


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2994 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12519 times:

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Air Baltic
Tuifly Nordic
Finnair
Icelandair
Air Italy
Monarch
Thompsonfly
Astraeus
Jet2
Privatair
Air Berlin
Air Finland
Thomas Cook
Condor
Vim Airlines
Blue Panorama
Open Skies
First Choice
Sun Express
Nordwind Airlines
Euro Atlantic
iFly
Titan Airways
Air Greenland

Air Berlin and Sunexpres don't have them anymore


User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12349 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 12):
Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Air Baltic
Tuifly Nordic
Finnair
Icelandair
Air Italy
Monarch
Thompsonfly
Astraeus
Jet2
Privatair
Air Berlin
Air Finland
Thomas Cook
Condor
Vim Airlines
Blue Panorama
Open Skies
First Choice
Sun Express
Nordwind Airlines
Euro Atlantic
iFly
Titan Airways
Air Greenland

Air Berlin and Sunexpres don't have them anymore

Neither does Air Greenland

/Lars



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User currently offlinejrfspa320 From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12289 times:

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Air Baltic
Tuifly Nordic
Finnair
Icelandair
Air Italy
Monarch
Thompsonfly
Astraeus
Jet2
Privatair
Air Berlin
Air Finland
Thomas Cook
Condor
Vim Airlines
Blue Panorama
Open Skies
First Choice
Sun Express
Nordwind Airlines
Euro Atlantic
iFly
Titan Airways
Air Greenland

And First Choice no longer exist.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12201 times:

As BA discovered, the 757 was too big. BA's European network was chronically unprofitable for many years and they found the smaller A19/320/321 family more flexible to adjust capacity to demand, and offer higher frequency in business markets. Operating costs were also higher for the heavier 757, including landing fees which in Europe are normally based on MTOW.

Apart from European leisure carriers and niche operators like FI, that found the 757 ideal for their markets, the only significant major European scheduled carrier I can recall that operated a significant number of 757s, apart from BA, was IB.


User currently onlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1389 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12162 times:

The short of the long is that the A321 offers all you need for the vast majority of European operators at a much lower cost - particularly if the airline operator other members of the A32x family.


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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12088 times:

Before the A321 was available, European airlines who were operated the A300 like AF & LH chose the A310 over the B757, but also many of them who never operated the A300 opted for the more versatile A310 : TAP, KLM, SABENA, SWISSAIR, AUSTRIAN.

The B757 met a late success among European Charters airlines, as mentioned in posts above.
Concerning the European Majors, only BA, IB & AY operated it.


User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11338 times:

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Air Baltic
Tuifly Nordic
Finnair
Icelandair
Air Italy
Monarch
Thompsonfly
Astraeus
Jet2
Privatair
Air Berlin
Air Finland
Thomas Cook
Condor
Vim Airlines
Blue Panorama
Open Skies
First Choice
Sun Express
Nordwind Airlines
Euro Atlantic
iFly
Titan Airways
Air Greenland

Atlasjet operates several Boeing 757s



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1329 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11033 times:

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Thompsonfly

It's Thomson Airways these days, not Thomsonfly and definitely not Thompsonfly!



Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Air Baltic

2x 752

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Tuifly Nordic

2x 752 (leased from Thomson Airways, 1 will return to Thomson Airways in April)

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Finnair

4x 752 (all will leave the fleet soon)

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Icelandair

10x 752, 1x 753, 5x 75F (plus 5x 752 leased out to other airlines)

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Air Italy

1x 752

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Monarch

3x 752

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Thompsonfly
Thomson Airways
24x 752 (plus 2x 752 leased out to TUIfly Nordic)

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Astraeus

2x 752 (plus 3x 752 leased out to other airlines)

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Jet2

10x 752 (plus 2x 752 leased from Allegiant during summer season)

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Privatair

1x 752

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Air Berlin

Not anymore

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Air Finland

3x 752

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Thomas Cook

12x 752, 2x 753 (plus 5x 752 leased out to Air Canada Jazz)

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Condor

13x 752

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Blue Panorama

2x 752

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Open Skies

4x 752

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
First Choice

Merged with Thomson Airways over two years ago!

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Sun Express

Not anymore

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Euro Atlantic

1x 752

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Titan Airways

1x 752

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Air Greenland

Not anymore

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Vim Airlines
Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Nordwind Airlines
Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
iFly

Is Russia considered as Europe? In that case you forget Air Bashkortostan, UTair and Yakutia Airlines.

And we can add to the list:

Pax:
GainJet
Iceland Express
Mint Airways
Privilege Style
Small Planet Airlines

Cargo:
DHL Air UK
DHL European Air Transport Leipzig
Gestair Cargo



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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10093 times:

LCCs completely escaped my mind on this one. i suppose there aren't just a few


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4107 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9843 times:

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 16):
The short of the long is that the A321 offers all you need for the vast majority of European operators at a much lower cost - particularly if the airline operator other members of the A32x family.
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 17):
The B757 met a late success among European Charters airlines, as mentioned in posts above.
Concerning the European Majors, only BA, IB & AY operated it.

I think the 757 was better suited for North American operators since it is perfect for longer transcons and thicker medium routes. It also is versatile enough for some eastern seaboard-Europe TATL routes. It's worked well for DL, AA, UA and I'm very surprised AC didn't jump on this one. For Europe the A32x is better suited for the shorter haul inter-Europe flights.



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User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9276 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 19):

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Thomas Cook

12x 752, 2x 753 (plus 5x 752 leased out to Air Canada Jazz)

Leased out to AC Jazz? Interesting... what do they do for them?


User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9293 times:

The 757 was a very popular aircraft in Europe in the 1980s and 1990s, most airlines have replaced them with A321 as they did not need the range and extra power of the 757. Since they also replaced their 727 with A32x the A321 was the logical choice as it would offer commonality.


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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1775 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 8586 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 21):
It also is versatile enough for some eastern seaboard-Europe TATL routes. It's worked well for DL, AA, UA and I'm very surprised AC didn't jump on this one.

Also CO which has the largest 757 TATL network, as well as US Airways.

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 20):
LCCs completely escaped my mind on this one. i suppose there aren't just a few

WS just leased one for their new HNL flights.

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 19):
Is Russia considered as Europe? In that case you forget Air Bashkortostan, UTair and Yakutia Airlines.

Russia is considered part of Europe a lot more than the Tupolev TU-204 is considered a 757  


25 r2rho : The EU carriers that had the 757 were using it exclusively for its size, not its range. IB for example used it among others on its pax heavy, but shor
26 airproxx : The 757 is a very good plane, maybe the most suitably designed for some routes here in Europe. But the A300/A310 was built by Euro countries, with Eur
27 Burkhard : There were many 757 operators in its big time. Most of the tourist flyers, as example - the alternative 727s or 737s could not reach the nearby all ye
28 OP3000 : Perhaps the best example of this is BD. They have an extensive Middle Eastern, Eurasia and Northern African network, flying routes as long as LHR-IKA
29 DALCE : wrong..... Condor has no 752's left, they do operate 753's though
30 Post contains links spud757 : I believe Iceland Express lease theirs from UK carrier Astraeus Search the database at MAN or LGW and you'll see lots of 757's currently operated by
31 Post contains images BasilFawlty : Holiday flights to the Caribbean and Mexico. Whoops, typo, should be 753 ofcourse.
32 Post contains links and images VV701 : They also operate the 752: View Large View MediumPhoto © Wim Callaert
33 blueflyer : I think they returned the last one in October '10. Wet lease. Accounted for in Astraeus' fleet count.
34 YULWinterSkies : Hold on a second there! There may have been -some- political choices behind -some- airlines opting for the A300/A310, however, I would never -ever- -
35 BY738 : Th BMI 757 is just wet leased
36 par13del : It will be interesting to see what European carriers do with their A321's after Airbus completes their upgrade to bring the A321 closer to the 757 st
37 flyboy_se : I did mention in my post that some of them could be gone. Not easy be updated with all these charter airlines that keep changing names every year. Es
38 Post contains links and images VV701 : A wet lease? Certainly. This aircraft is owned by Astraeus and is flown by an Astraeus flight crew. But it has now been operating BD flights for almo
39 American 767 : And British Caledonian. I believe they were the only UK airline to choose the A310 over the 757/767. Air Belgium also has flown the 757.[Edited 2011-
40 Aesma : Even if it was true, which it isn't, those airlines were sucking quite a lot of taxpayer money at the time (or were simply owned by the taxpayers), s
41 OP3000 : That's 14 A321s vs. 1 B757 - the point still stands that the 'bus better suits the needs of their extensive mid-haul network.
42 Post contains images CharlieNoble : Unless your goal (like mine) is to get plastered into the back of your seat on takeoff, which the 757 does rather nicely Agreed that calling the A300
43 Garpd : I pains me to say it as the 757 is my favorite commercial aircraft, but the 757's abilities is it's undoing, in Europe at least. No one in Europe real
44 Burkhard : AFAIK you can order the short ranged A321-100 and the longer ranged A321-200 currently. Once airlines like LH with their huge A321 fleets, often -100
45 bwaflyer : It's actually damp leased with Astraeus flight crew and bmi cabin crew trained on Astraeus procedures. It'll be gone by the Summer as our new owners
46 VV701 : No. Wrong. Please remind yourself of the title of this thread. The point is not which aircraft type is best suited to a specific airline's network. N
47 OP3000 : Are you serious? The title of this thread is "How come few Euro carriers have 757?" So to you the fact that BD wet-leased one 757 to join a fleet of
48 VV701 : Neither I nor the thread opener have been discussing Euro carriers who "prefer" the 321 to the 752. You will not find that word in the thread title o
49 bwaflyer : bmi added two A321s (G-MEDN and G-MEDU) after the purchase of BMed. These were from an order placed by BMed. Two bmi A320s have had business class cab
50 OP3000 : You clearly like to sport from drawing out discussions, so this is my last post on this.... I did't expand the topic of the thread at all. I said tha
51 Viscount724 : As far as I know, the Bmed/BD A321s that operate Middle East/Central Asia routes like LHR-THR have one or more supplementary fuel tanks in the cargo
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