goblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12697 times:
Keep in mind I haven't been to Europe yet and I've only seen pics on a.net. Also, if any airlines once had them I probably wasn't born yet. To my knowledge, only BA, Air Greenland, Icelandair, Air Berlin(maybe) have them. If the others once had them then why did they get rid of them? Thanks.
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4927 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12594 times:
Too much airplane for the potential routes. Range not needed for intra european routes, and for longer flights, widebodies are preferred. Even on shorter routes A300s were common when the 757 was selling.
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kdhurst380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 154 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12571 times:
A few UK charters still operate them, particularly at airports around Europe with shorter runways, those Rollers kick up a bit of a stink getting off those little Greek runways. I don't know about the rest of Europe but if you go to charter hubs like Gatwick, Manchester etc, you will spot quite a few of them.
Eaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 959 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12523 times:
BA and Air Greenland have gotten rid of their 757's. But the answer is obviously range. They just don't need it. Icelandair needs them because basically all their planes are operating transatlantic. Techincally European airlines could use them for direct transatlantic flights but they all seem to just route the traffic through their hubs. But I wonder: Does Air Berlin still have theirs.
aquariusHKG From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2010, 92 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12404 times:
757 in Europe is more popular with Charter and Holiday airlines, e.g. Monarch, Condor etc. Most UK charter airline operated 757 at one time or another, and is popular with German and Dutch operator too
lhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12334 times:
Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter): Keep in mind I haven't been to Europe yet and I've only seen pics on a.net. Also, if any airlines once had them I probably wasn't born yet. To my knowledge, only BA, Air Greenland, Icelandair, Air Berlin(maybe) have them. If the others once had them then why did they get rid of them? Thanks.
SQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1437 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12206 times:
The B757 was designed for US East-westcoast flights.
All major european routes are a lot shorter than SFO-JFK or even DFW-JFK!
Comparable to these sectors are the major Holiday routes, from Germany or UK to the Canaries Turkey or Egypt.
In addition there was the A300/310 series which was perfect to handle the cargo demand.
I remember FRA-FCO flights where the A300 took 15 tons cargo. Just impossible for the B752!
flyboy_se From Switzerland, joined Feb 2000, 745 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12185 times:
Here are the airlines i can think of that still have them
Air Baltic
Tuifly Nordic
Finnair
Icelandair
Air Italy
Monarch
Thompsonfly
Astraeus
Jet2
Privatair
Air Berlin
Air Finland
Thomas Cook
Condor
Vim Airlines
Blue Panorama
Open Skies
First Choice
Sun Express
Nordwind Airlines
Euro Atlantic
iFly
Titan Airways
Air Greenland
Now it could be that some of these have dissapeared, however i dont think that is few airlines.
Most of them air operated by charter airlines. However 757 is not a new model and many airlines have replaced theirs. BA being the latest one.
joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3131 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12040 times:
Quoting aquariusHKG (Reply 7): 757 in Europe is more popular with Charter and Holiday airlines, e.g. Monarch, Condor etc. Most UK charter airline operated 757 at one time or another, and is popular with German and Dutch operator too
It's 2011... Most examples you provide are no longer valid.
Transavia - left the fleet in 2003 (replaced by 737-800s)
LTU - left the fleet in 2003
Balair (which became Belair and is now Air Berlin) - left the fleet a few months ago
Iberia - left the fleet in 2006, replaced by A321s
For Finnair, although a scheduled carrier, their 757s are used for charters ops. Finnair uses the range of the 757s on routes to the Canaries and the USA. They will be replaced by new A321 ERs, with sharklets, which also allow for HEL-TFS.
stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2874 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12005 times:
Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10): Air Baltic
Tuifly Nordic
Finnair
Icelandair
Air Italy
Monarch
Thompsonfly
Astraeus
Jet2
Privatair
Air Berlin
Air Finland
Thomas Cook
Condor
Vim Airlines
Blue Panorama
Open Skies
First Choice
Sun Express
Nordwind Airlines
Euro Atlantic
iFly
Titan Airways
Air Greenland
Larshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1219 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11835 times:
Quoting stylo777 (Reply 12): Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10):
Air Baltic
Tuifly Nordic
Finnair
Icelandair
Air Italy
Monarch
Thompsonfly
Astraeus
Jet2
Privatair
Air Berlin
Air Finland
Thomas Cook
Condor
Vim Airlines
Blue Panorama
Open Skies
First Choice
Sun Express
Nordwind Airlines
Euro Atlantic
iFly
Titan Airways
Air Greenland
jrfspa320 From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 198 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11775 times:
Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10): Air Baltic
Tuifly Nordic
Finnair
Icelandair
Air Italy
Monarch
Thompsonfly
Astraeus
Jet2
Privatair
Air Berlin
Air Finland
Thomas Cook
Condor
Vim Airlines
Blue Panorama
Open Skies
First Choice
Sun Express
Nordwind Airlines
Euro Atlantic
iFly
Titan Airways
Air Greenland
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21675 posts, RR: 23 Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11687 times:
As BA discovered, the 757 was too big. BA's European network was chronically unprofitable for many years and they found the smaller A19/320/321 family more flexible to adjust capacity to demand, and offer higher frequency in business markets. Operating costs were also higher for the heavier 757, including landing fees which in Europe are normally based on MTOW.
Apart from European leisure carriers and niche operators like FI, that found the 757 ideal for their markets, the only significant major European scheduled carrier I can recall that operated a significant number of 757s, apart from BA, was IB.
B777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1015 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11648 times:
The short of the long is that the A321 offers all you need for the vast majority of European operators at a much lower cost - particularly if the airline operator other members of the A32x family.
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FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 60 Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11574 times:
Before the A321 was available, European airlines who were operated the A300 like AF & LH chose the A310 over the B757, but also many of them who never operated the A300 opted for the more versatile A310 : TAP, KLM, SABENA, SWISSAIR, AUSTRIAN.
The B757 met a late success among European Charters airlines, as mentioned in posts above.
Concerning the European Majors, only BA, IB & AY operated it.
TK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10824 times:
Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 10): Air Baltic
Tuifly Nordic
Finnair
Icelandair
Air Italy
Monarch
Thompsonfly
Astraeus
Jet2
Privatair
Air Berlin
Air Finland
Thomas Cook
Condor
Vim Airlines
Blue Panorama
Open Skies
First Choice
Sun Express
Nordwind Airlines
Euro Atlantic
iFly
Titan Airways
Air Greenland
Atlasjet operates several Boeing 757s
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goblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9579 times:
LCCs completely escaped my mind on this one. i suppose there aren't just a few
SLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3869 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9329 times:
Quoting B777LRF (Reply 16): The short of the long is that the A321 offers all you need for the vast majority of European operators at a much lower cost - particularly if the airline operator other members of the A32x family.
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 17): The B757 met a late success among European Charters airlines, as mentioned in posts above.
Concerning the European Majors, only BA, IB & AY operated it.
I think the 757 was better suited for North American operators since it is perfect for longer transcons and thicker medium routes. It also is versatile enough for some eastern seaboard-Europe TATL routes. It's worked well for DL, AA, UA and I'm very surprised AC didn't jump on this one. For Europe the A32x is better suited for the shorter haul inter-Europe flights.
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columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6833 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8779 times:
The 757 was a very popular aircraft in Europe in the 1980s and 1990s, most airlines have replaced them with A321 as they did not need the range and extra power of the 757. Since they also replaced their 727 with A32x the A321 was the logical choice as it would offer commonality.
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OP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1678 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks ago) and read 8072 times:
Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 21): It also is versatile enough for some eastern seaboard-Europe TATL routes. It's worked well for DL, AA, UA and I'm very surprised AC didn't jump on this one.
Also CO which has the largest 757 TATL network, as well as US Airways.
Quoting goblin211 (Reply 20): LCCs completely escaped my mind on this one. i suppose there aren't just a few
WS just leased one for their new HNL flights.
Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 19): Is Russia considered as Europe? In that case you forget Air Bashkortostan, UTair and Yakutia Airlines.
Russia is considered part of Europe a lot more than the Tupolev TU-204 is considered a 757
25 r2rho: The EU carriers that had the 757 were using it exclusively for its size, not its range. IB for example used it among others on its pax heavy, but shor
26 airproxx: The 757 is a very good plane, maybe the most suitably designed for some routes here in Europe. But the A300/A310 was built by Euro countries, with Eur
27 Burkhard: There were many 757 operators in its big time. Most of the tourist flyers, as example - the alternative 727s or 737s could not reach the nearby all ye
28 OP3000: Perhaps the best example of this is BD. They have an extensive Middle Eastern, Eurasia and Northern African network, flying routes as long as LHR-IKA
29 DALCE: wrong..... Condor has no 752's left, they do operate 753's though
30 spud757: I believe Iceland Express lease theirs from UK carrier Astraeus Search the database at MAN or LGW and you'll see lots of 757's currently operated by
31 BasilFawlty: Holiday flights to the Caribbean and Mexico. Whoops, typo, should be 753 ofcourse.
33 blueflyer: I think they returned the last one in October '10. Wet lease. Accounted for in Astraeus' fleet count.
34 YULWinterSkies: Hold on a second there! There may have been -some- political choices behind -some- airlines opting for the A300/A310, however, I would never -ever- -
36 par13del: It will be interesting to see what European carriers do with their A321's after Airbus completes their upgrade to bring the A321 closer to the 757 st
37 flyboy_se: I did mention in my post that some of them could be gone. Not easy be updated with all these charter airlines that keep changing names every year. Es
38 VV701: A wet lease? Certainly. This aircraft is owned by Astraeus and is flown by an Astraeus flight crew. But it has now been operating BD flights for almo
39 American 767: And British Caledonian. I believe they were the only UK airline to choose the A310 over the 757/767. Air Belgium also has flown the 757.[Edited 2011-
40 Aesma: Even if it was true, which it isn't, those airlines were sucking quite a lot of taxpayer money at the time (or were simply owned by the taxpayers), s
41 OP3000: That's 14 A321s vs. 1 B757 - the point still stands that the 'bus better suits the needs of their extensive mid-haul network.
42 CharlieNoble: Unless your goal (like mine) is to get plastered into the back of your seat on takeoff, which the 757 does rather nicely Agreed that calling the A300
43 Garpd: I pains me to say it as the 757 is my favorite commercial aircraft, but the 757's abilities is it's undoing, in Europe at least. No one in Europe real
44 Burkhard: AFAIK you can order the short ranged A321-100 and the longer ranged A321-200 currently. Once airlines like LH with their huge A321 fleets, often -100
45 bwaflyer: It's actually damp leased with Astraeus flight crew and bmi cabin crew trained on Astraeus procedures. It'll be gone by the Summer as our new owners
46 VV701: No. Wrong. Please remind yourself of the title of this thread. The point is not which aircraft type is best suited to a specific airline's network. N
47 OP3000: Are you serious? The title of this thread is "How come few Euro carriers have 757?" So to you the fact that BD wet-leased one 757 to join a fleet of
48 VV701: Neither I nor the thread opener have been discussing Euro carriers who "prefer" the 321 to the 752. You will not find that word in the thread title o
49 bwaflyer: bmi added two A321s (G-MEDN and G-MEDU) after the purchase of BMed. These were from an order placed by BMed. Two bmi A320s have had business class cab
50 OP3000: You clearly like to sport from drawing out discussions, so this is my last post on this.... I did't expand the topic of the thread at all. I said tha
51 Viscount724: As far as I know, the Bmed/BD A321s that operate Middle East/Central Asia routes like LHR-THR have one or more supplementary fuel tanks in the cargo
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