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Hawaiian 717 In Oakland Right Now  
User currently offlinePI767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7888 times:

I just saw a Hawaiian Air 717 taxiing in Oakland (445pm Pacific Sunday). Assuming it is headed to or from some sort of maintenance on the mainland. Anyone have any other details?

[Edited 2011-02-20 16:36:12]

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User currently offlineHNLPointShoot From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7844 times:

I'm 99% sure it's headed for MIA for heavy maintenance.

Hawaiian 717 At Oakland (by Vulindlela May 12 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Hawaiian Airlines At MIA? (by Medic2366 Jun 6 2010 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7844 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/H...2/history/20110220/1900Z/PHNL/KOAK

I assume Maintenance would be the reason it's here. I wonder if they had to remove seats from the back and install the extra fuel tanks?



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7794 times:

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 2):
I wonder if they had to remove seats from the back and install the extra fuel tanks?

Yes, they always have to in order to get it to the west coast. The Hawaiian Island to the US coast is one of the most isolated routes in the world. One of the longest stretches of ocean without a diversion point.

[Edited 2011-02-20 16:39:48]

User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7077 times:

All of the HA 712s go to MIA for heavy mx.

All of the AAC 732s go to Costa Rica for heavy mx.

Both transit through OAK east & west bound.

All of the WP Dash8s do up to C-checks at HNL, D-checks are done on the mainland.


All go! (YV) CRJ2s ferry to PHX and are rotated out with other CRJs. The livery on the CRJs are decals. The ones that have been in Hawaii the longest have very faded decals.



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User currently offlinedfwramper From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5014 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
Yes, they always have to in order to get it to the west coast. The Hawaiian Island to the US coast is one of the most isolated routes in the world. One of the longest stretches of ocean without a diversion point.

So does this mean the 717's are ETOPS or do they get some kind of temporary ferry permit or something like that? I wouldn't think they'd want to keep all these planes ETOPS if they don't normally require it.


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4971 times:

Quoting dfwramper (Reply 5):
So does this mean the 717's are ETOPS or do they get some kind of temporary ferry permit or something like that? I wouldn't think they'd want to keep all these planes ETOPS if they don't normally require it.

That, I have no idea. Does a plane not carrying passengers need ETOPS certification? I mean, certainly there are Cessna 172's in Hawaii? Or other aircraft that have never been certified.


User currently offlinejlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4714 times:
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Quoting UAL747 (Reply 6):

That, I have no idea. Does a plane not carrying passengers need ETOPS certification? I mean, certainly there are Cessna 172's in Hawaii? Or other aircraft that have never been certified.




To expand this question........ Does the same crew take the plane from HNL-Oakland-MIA, with time to sleep in Oakland? Does the same crew also bring a plane home in reverse order? Lastly, are the rules for crew hrs. etc. less restricted on a ferry flight, than when carrying passengers?



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4558 times:

Quoting jlbmedia (Reply 7):


To expand this question........ Does the same crew take the plane from HNL-Oakland-MIA, with time to sleep in Oakland? Does the same crew also bring a plane home in reverse order? Lastly, are the rules for crew hrs. etc. less restricted on a ferry flight, than when carrying passengers?

I do not think the same rules apply as they get a special flight permit from the FAA for part 91 carriers.

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/.../local_more/media/ferry_permit.pdf

That's very brief, and doesn't answer your specific questions, but what I gather is that basically all rules are off and it's like operating as a personal general aviation aircraft and not a carrier aircraft, thus, particular rules such as the ones you mentioned do not apply.

EDIT: Okay, I don't think that link entirely proves my point, but shows that alterations can be made, which I think is what happens here with the Hawaii-US non ETOPS aircraft. If not, then how did they all get there? There's nowhere to stop.

UAL

[Edited 2011-02-21 14:55:47]

User currently offlineWestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 751 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
One of the longest stretches of ocean without a diversion point.

...and that's one of the things I like about flying to/from Hawaii. Sort of gives me a heightened sense of adventure.



Jack @ AUS
User currently offlinemattdell From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 4):
All of the HA 712s go to MIA for heavy mx.

All of the AAC 732s go to Costa Rica for heavy mx.

Both transit through OAK east & west bound.

All of the WP Dash8s do up to C-checks at HNL, D-checks are done on the mainland.

Ok, I can understand how they get the 717's to the mainland. But, WOW... flying one of WP's birds to the mainland would be quite an endeavor. I assume they use the same process as HA to ferry? Take the seats out, replace with fuel tanks?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 8):
EDIT: Okay, I don't think that link entirely proves my point, but shows that alterations can be made, which I think is what happens here with the Hawaii-US non ETOPS aircraft. If not, then how did they all get there? There's nowhere to stop.

As far as I know, US ETOPS requirements only apply to Part 121 and 135 operations. I think ferry flights (and delivery flights) operate under Part 91.


User currently offlineyvphx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3424 times:

I believe this subject comes up once a month or so!

See the picture below of a 717 with ferry tanks. Seats removed, tanks installed:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Hawaiian-Air/Boeing-717-22A/0148886/L/


User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

@MattDell: yep. That's how they ferried the Q400, N539DS, in 2006. go! does the same with their CRJs too. Not sure if AAC puts tanks in main cargo bay or lower deck holds.


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