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User currently offline456 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2001, 328 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5058 times:

I was wondering. I visited LAX last year, and flew in with a KLM B747-3 (PH-BUK) from Schiphol Amsterdam. It was an 11hrs flight. WE (the pax) could sleep if we would, but how do the pilots fight their sleep? (Maybe taking a cigarette  Big grin (see other forumpost)) Or is there another crew, who take the controls after let's say 5 hours?
Or is it just 1 crew who flies the whole 11 hours?

Gr.
Marc 456
the Netherlands

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User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5038 times:


Nope on longhaul flights there are more crewmembers aboard so that they can share flying time.
Those not flying can stretch out or get some sleep.
On my longest flight (14h) there were 5 pilots aboard.

Regards,
B737-700


User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5033 times:

I have a Worldairroutes-video, featuring a flight from BRU to LAX, with a Citybird 767-300ER.

The video shows that it's always the same 2 pilots that are flying the aircraft. There was no extra pilot on board.

I think that a extra crew is only needed when the flights are really long, like 13-14 hours or so.

Or does this all depend on the airline's policy?

Could anybody confirm this, or comment?

Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineZauberfloete From Austria, joined Nov 2000, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5027 times:

It depends on the airline.
Some airlines use enlarged crews for all flights longer than ~10 hrs.
That means that there are three pilots on board, 1 captain, 1 senior first officer and one first officer, or 2 captains and 1 FO. The relief pilot has a crew rest compartement behin the cockpit.
That airlines also have an enlarged cabin crew, with crew rest compartements under the floor.
I know that for example Austrian is an airline that has enlarged crews on their long haul flights (e.g. to japan, south africa), as well as Lufthansa and a lot of other airlines.
But there are airlines, that NEVER use enlarged crews, regardless the lenght of the flight.
Mainly charter airlines have this poilicy. There are airlines arround where pilots have a maximum allowed flying time of 18hrs (!) in a 2 Man Cockpit. They really need a lot of coffee.....But the passengers don´t realize that, and no newspaper write about it, so the management dosn´t care about it. These airlines get prizes for their tasty food and their great service - that the pilots are tired and exhausted is of no interest for most of the people.


User currently offlineOlympicEagle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5015 times:

For a flight over 7 hours in the a340-300 you have to have more than two pilots for Olympic...In the 747-200 I remember seeing 4-5 pilots for a 11 hour flight and for the flight ATH-BKK then to Sydney long flight!.

OA


User currently offlineMikeymike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5009 times:

The FAA mandates 1 relief pilot for flights between 8-12 hours, and requires 2 relief pilots for flights over 12+ hours. The FAA also require horizontal beds for flights over 12+ hours but nothing for 8-12 hour flights. Airlines will customize there own policies based on what was negotiated with the union.

Airplanes that have 3 man flight crews (747 classics), DC-10's, L1011's, already meet the 8-12 hour requirement.


User currently offlineAmbasaid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5009 times:

Depending on the airline, the aircraft and the regulations which it operates under, you can have single crew, augmented crew or double crew. Union regulations in particular airlines may also play a part.

User currently offline456 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2001, 328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5007 times:

Zauberfloete>But there are airlines, that NEVER use enlarged crews, regardless the lenght of the flight.
Mainly charter airlines have this poilicy. There are airlines arround where pilots have a maximum allowed flying time of 18hrs (!) in a 2 Man Cockpit
And there are some people saying that Smoking in a cockpit is risky and dangerous!!!


User currently offlineAmbasaid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5005 times:

Actually 456, he is right!

User currently offline456 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2001, 328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5001 times:

I believe him without any doubt!! I talked alot with an Flight attendant on that flight, and she told me that at some charter airliners (not klm) WITH some delay, the pilots have to work all day. (ok, not flying, but in a cockpit environment).
I think that it is more dangerous than anything else!


User currently offlineRW774477 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1076 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4996 times:

What Airbus never told you was the second deck on the A380 is actually for auxiliary crew  Big grin

rw774777


User currently offlineMikeymike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

RW774477 lol..thats a good one....


User currently offlineSkyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4965 times:

While it might vary from company to company, but when I used to go to Tokyo with Pan Am on the 747SP, we carried 1 Captain, 2 F/O's, and 2 F/E's. They rotated their duty so there would be three up all the time. They had 2 bunks(in the cockpit). Our scheduled flight time was 12 1/2 hrs. from JFK to NRT(Tokyo) up over Canada and Alaska coming awfully close to Sakhalin(sp) island a few times.

User currently offlineCrank From Canada, joined May 2001, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4960 times:

My brother flew YYZ-GRU a month ago. He was sitting in business class and and he told me that at some point during the flight the CAPT took a seat and slept there. I dont think there were more than two pilots on this flight.

User currently offlineJarek From Poland, joined May 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

On LOT more than 10 hr. flights there is an addditional pilot. Three of them are in the cockpit during take off and landing but during the flight one of them is seating (sleeping) in the business class section with 2 hours rotation.



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