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DL Fleet News - Feb 2011  
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17096 times:

Below is a list of a variety of fleet-related items, heard/passed along through various sources:

Saab: Remainder of fleet to be parked by end of 2011

CRJ: 22 CRJ-200s to be parked by end of 2011

DC-9-50: Entire fleet to be retired by end of 2012, could be moved up if the economy/fuel price warrent removing more capacity

MD-88: Investigating aviaonics upgrades, but based on an ROI of keeping in service through 2018

MD-90: Officially have acquired 13, plan to have a total of 28 (down from 36 total) in service for Summer 2011, 43 total for Summer 2012. Eventually want to grow the fleet to ~80 frames. Mods are taking longer than planned due to additional FAA STC approvals to standardize cockpits.

A319/A320: Considering AVOD on the A320, but still working on the business case. Need determine if it is worthwhile based on remaining service life of the aircraft (the older frames that will be retired when the new narrowbodies start to arrive. Considering opening an ATL pilot base (currently have 30-40 daily departures). May open NYC crew base, dependant on LGA slot swap

757: 4 757s out of storage, remaining 12 are not returning since it would take a lot of work to get them back (some missing engines or interiors)

767: 2 767s out of storage, remaining few domestic 767s are not returning since it would take a lot of work to get them back (some missing engines or interiors)

744: 747 fleet is now being fully utilized with the new HND flying

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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3828 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16947 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
CRJ: 22 CRJ-200s to be parked by end of 2011

All OH, or some from other DL Connection carriers?



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16908 times:

Yes, essentially all OH. The previously announced OH reductions were planned to be 19 CRJ-200s in 2011, and 30 CRJ-200s in 2012. I don't know if they pulled ahead a few more or if there are a few leaving from another operator.
I know none of the 9E or XJ CRJ-200s are leaving, can't speak for the other operators.


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16711 times:

Interesting stuff. Thanks for posting.

It will be interesting to see what stays and what goes with all the Saabs AND a bunch of CRJs leaving the fleet. If they try and backfill Saab routes with CRJs, something else will have to go...

Also, if the LGA deal goes through, some extra capacity will need to come from somewhere. It can't all come from what will be cut at DCA. I suppose it could be the CR7s/CR9s/E75s no longer needed for the DCA flying, plus the 8 new E70s from Republic, plus some 319/320s from MSP or ATL, which would be backfilled by M9Ks...



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User currently offlineflyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 997 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16678 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
744: 747 fleet is now being fully utilized with the new HND flying

I could one day see DL wanting 748s or 380s for the HND routes. Very long term though.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3828 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16520 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 3):
It will be interesting to see what stays and what goes with all the Saabs AND a bunch of CRJs leaving the fleet. If they try and backfill Saab routes with CRJs, something else will have to go...

Some all-SAAB or partly-SAAB routes have already been backfilled with CRJs. FWA/SBN-DTW already went exclusively CRJ. DTW-TOL SAABs were replaced by CRJs to MSP, and that didn't last. I'm sure there are other cases.

The real test will be when the EAS contracts expire (or if EAS is eliminated). Many of the EAS markets that DL serves cannot sustain a high-CASM 50-seat CRJ, but can sustain a 34-seat SAAB. Hence, I feel that DL will eliminate all or almost all of their EAS Connection flying.



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineDl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16470 times:

Its iterating they are just considering AVOD in the A320 fleet. A lot of the A320 routes are as long as 757/737 flights and could use AVOD. But the suggestion that they would be the first to be replaced by new narrow bodies is also interesting. It seems like DL is planning to get the new narrow bodies within a year or two and quickly replace the airbus narrow body fleet?

User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16348 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):

Where did you get this info?



yep.
User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1551 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16252 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 7):

I'm guessing it's from a better source than Deltanet.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16189 times:

Quoting Dl767captain (Reply 6):
It seems like DL is planning to get the new narrow bodies within a year or two and quickly replace the airbus narrow body fleet?

Yes, they are just 'considering it' because they plan to replace the oldest batch of A320s, the ones from the late 1980s, with new aircraft they are planning to start taking delivery of in 2013+. Hence the large RFP that DL has out for the 200+ future narrowbodies. It doesn't make sense to put IFE in these aircraft of they are going to leave in the next 2-4 year. The A319s are much newer and about half the A320 fleet is newer too.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 7):
Where did you get this info?

Wikileaks


User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15912 times:

I was recently speaking with a F/A and F/O on a DL flight that was delayed at the gate, and they mentioned there was a lot of talk that once at least 3 of the 744's were modified/reconfigured, they would switch from the 77L to operate the daily LAX-SYD. They were of the opinion that the "new" 744's would be a "competitive" edge over the 77L and that DL wanted to "outshine" VA in competing with QF. The F/A even volunteered that she had flown recently with a "high ranking" DL executive to LAX and he spoke of this happening before the summer peak travel season begins in October.
Any basis to this talk.....or more wishful thinking on someone's part?



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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1750 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15743 times:
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Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 7):
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):

Where did you get this info?

Off another message board where a DL pilot transcribed the minutes of a recent presentation to pilots in CVG.

Either quarterly or bi-annually, DL Flight Ops goes out to every pilot base along with marketing, TechOps, etc...and gives a presentation on the status of the airline. And a similar presentation at another base is likely where I got my information regarding the remaining 76Q's not coming out of mothballs (posted in another thread).


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 15566 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 11):

Off another message board where a DL pilot transcribed the minutes of a recent presentation to pilots in CVG.

hmm. I still kind of don't believe it. I just can't see them forgetting they don't have seats, put a memo out to the company, remember they don't have seats then telling the pilots. I mean it may be true but if it is someone screwed up. I have seen them be dead wrong in those pilot meetings. Still waiting on ATL 744 and 330 base that we were getting 3 AEs ago      

Quoting n7371f (Reply 11):

Either quarterly or bi-annually, DL Flight Ops goes out to every pilot base along with marketing, TechOps, etc...and gives a presentation on the status of the airline

I know. They will be posting the power point on DLnet on the flightOps page once they are done(or that is what they have always done before) if you can get on DeltaNet go take a look. (always good info on it.)

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 9):

Wikileaks

lol. I knew that was coming.

Quoting FL787 (Reply 8):

I'm guessing it's from a better source than Deltanet.

Not sure if you can get better than a memo from network dept.  



yep.
User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1750 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15307 times:
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Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 12):
hmm. I still kind of don't believe it. I just can't see them forgetting they don't have seats, put a memo out to the company, remember they don't have seats then telling the pilots. I mean it may be true but if it is someone screwed up. I have seen them be dead wrong in those pilot meetings. Still waiting on ATL 744 and 330 base that we were getting 3 AEs ago

One thing I kicked around with someone, and it's been talked about: Delta bought the remaining 767-300's off lease so it could part them out if need be...But, again, besides what this person posted above, I'm told there is plenty more work to do on these birds than just seats; items have been pulled for active a/c.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13534 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 13):

One thing I kicked around with someone, and it's been talked about: Delta bought the remaining 767-300's off lease so it could part them out if need be...But, again, besides what this person posted above, I'm told there is plenty more work to do on these birds than just seats; items have been pulled for active a/c.

could be. Engines and seats are pretty easy to come by. (more than likely DL still has the GE engines...they would have to by the seats again.)

but again I'm just going on what they told the employees. Hard to believe that someone "forgot" about the shape of these birds but i guess it could happen.



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User currently offlinetristarcrazy From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10435 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 14):
but again I'm just going on what they told the employees. Hard to believe that someone "forgot" about the shape of these birds but i guess it could happen.

For sure, but DL does crazy things sometimes. Remember, they painted at least one of these ships in the new colors only to park it a few weeks later.

The uncertainty in fuel prices/economy will also probably affect the return of these birds as well as other fleet changes.



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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10045 times:

Quoting flyorski (Reply 4):
I could one day see DL wanting 748s or 380s for the HND routes. Very long term though

If things don't improve greatly on HND stuff, I don't see them wanting to even fly it, right now its the Non-rev Tokyo Express.



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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9734 times:

Quoting flyorski (Reply 4):
380s

A little off topic but as i've established in a thread of mine, there probably won't be any US carriers w/ 380s only international. If you ask me I think DL has enough 757s, they don't need to bring in any more but then again i'm no expert on DL routes. as for the CRJ200s i think they should keep them. Is it really more fuel efficient or more revenue inducing to use CRJ900s, which is what i assume they'll use to cover small flights like from ATL-Mobile for example.



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User currently offlineflyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 997 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9511 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 17):
A little off topic but as i've established in a thread of mine, there probably won't be any US carriers w/ 380s only international. If you ask me I think DL has enough 757s, they don't need to bring in any more but then again i'm no expert on DL routes

I am not sure what your saying. Are you saying that DL has enough 757s that they do not need 380s/748s? If so I have to disagree simply based on the comparison, the 380 is very different from a 757. I assume I do not understand what your saying though.

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 17):
as for the CRJ200s i think they should keep them. Is it really more fuel efficient or more revenue inducing to use CRJ900s,

The problem with the CRJ200 is you use a lot of fuel for only 50 seats. When fuel prices climb (or spike) a CRJ900 gives you more 'flex' room.



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5839 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9445 times:

Quoting flyorski (Reply 4):
I could one day see DL wanting 748s or 380s for the HND routes. Very long term though.

Not yet. I think after a suitable period of time LAX-HND will become an A332 and DTW-HND a 77E. The 744s will be used elsewhere. I think LAX-SYD as rumored above is as good a candidate as any, but they will need reconfigured birds before they can do that.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7540 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9121 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
MD-90: Officially have acquired 13, plan to have a total of 28 (down from 36 total) in service for Summer 2011, 43 total for Summer 2012. Eventually want to grow the fleet to ~80 frames.

How many does DL have now? The -90's are not the most common plane out there to procure....



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9043 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 20):

How many does DL have now? The -90's are not the most common plane out there to procure....

They have 19 in service, and, I believe, 28 in possession, at the moment.

Jeremy


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9023 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 19):

Not yet. I think after a suitable period of time LAX-HND will become an A332 and DTW-HND a 77E. The 744s will be used elsewhere. I think LAX-SYD as rumored above is as good a candidate as any, but they will need reconfigured birds before they can do that.

I could even see LAX-HND being downguaged to a 763ER. LAX-NRT will be an A333 this summer, and the 763ER has a longer range than the A333, so if worst comes to worst, LAX-HND could always be flown by a 763ER.

Jeremy


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8766 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8942 times:

Quoting flyorski (Reply 18):
The problem with the CRJ200 is you use a lot of fuel for only 50 seats. When fuel prices climb (or spike) a CRJ900 gives you more 'flex' room.

If a market cannot support a CRJ200, it almost certainly will fail with a CRJ900. Typically an empty mainline jet is the first thing to be cut. Then you use CRJ200 to maintain the network while parking the mainline.

So in Delta's case, their crunch fuel scenario would be park D95, and replace that flying with something smaller.


Quoting SESGDL (Reply 22):
if worst comes to worst, LAX-HND could always be flown by a 763ER.

That might be the perfect aircraft for the route. It ain't about cargo or connecting passengers.


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5839 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8899 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 20):
How many does DL have now? The -90's are not the most common plane out there to procure....

Getting to 80 would mean they take essentially all of the surviving MD-90s in the world except the SV examples with the MD-11 cockpit. That seems to be the long-term plan.


25 timf : Delta has 34 MD-90s registered to them now, with 2 more arriving in the next week. Based on the original post, it sounds like only the 9 China Easter
26 KingAir200 : Any idea what kind of upgrades? LCDs?
27 n7371f : I'm hearing the route sucks for everybody right now, including AA at JFK. The slot times are not ideal that's for sure. Let's get a guess going on ho
28 United_fan : I bet DL is wishing they could have seen the future and bought up those Air Aruba MD90's that were only a few years old when they were scrapped !
29 Post contains links dtw9 : Scroll down and have a peek at the possible MD-88 cockpit upgrade http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...est-greatest-about-delta-6025.html
30 deltal1011man : bah i remember fresh painted 727s spends days in the fleet then getting parked
31 lucky777 : ??? Not sure what "competitive" advantage an updated -400 would have over an LR, besides a higher seating capacity. On purely efficiency and cargo ca
32 FlyASAGuy2005 : Aside from a few 800# CR2s, I don't know of ASA pulling down the fleet. As i've heard, spares are at a premium in Atlanta and OO may have to trasfer
33 nwa757boy : DL is losing money ever day on the LAX-HND and DTW-HND route. and that is coming from Steve Gorman personally! They are going to keep losing money on
34 TrijetsRMissed : Of the 69 A320s active with DL, 46 were delivered to NW between 1990-93. Given that, I would be very surprised if DL invested any $$ on the IFE of th
35 deltal1011man : pretty much. Out side of the HNL flights I would bet everyone is burning money on HND flights. AA/DL/JL and NH but all will keep it going just to kee
36 KingAir200 : I wonder if they do the 88s, they'll do the 90s. They're not all that different unmodified as it is.
37 SPREE34 : That's going to take a lot of Light for Delta. VA has the best Intl Business/First product I have ever been exposed to. The only thing Delta has on V
38 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : Delta had a MD-90 damage pretty bad by a snapped tow bar and tug. Is that aircraft going to be repaired?
39 deltal1011man : I will have to double check Monday(unless someone has the answer before) but i believe it is already done. If it isn't then yes it will be fixed.
40 Post contains links and images timf : The aircraft was N919DN and it's already back in service. View Large View MediumPhoto © Alevikhttp://flightaware.com/live/flight/N919DN/history (I'm
41 TrijetsRMissed : I think it's plausible... More so if DL end up acquiring the SV frames. DL originally passed on the original MD-90 flightdeck in favor of commonality
42 justplanesmart : There is the word "More" in hypertext at the bottom of the listing that will give you a complete list back to June of 2010 (if they have aircraft dat
43 msp747 : But aren't these aircraft still newer than the MD88's? If they are planning to upgrade the 88's to keep in service through 2018, why wouldn't they pl
44 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : The Douglas MD-88s are a much more rugged built aircraft than any Airbus A320. I doubt that you will see any A320s flying when they are 45 years old,
45 SPREE34 : The 320 leases are probably running out in that time frame. A a paid for MD-88 burning what it does, is cheaper to operate than a leased 320 or 737.
46 Post contains images deltal1011man : I would bet they up date the 90s to be able to keep them as the same pilot group as the 88s. some yes. youngest 88 is late 93. 28 320s are 97 or youn
47 FlyASAGuy2005 : You know, when I first saw the pick of the M8R F seat on here, it looked pretty terrible, but it's not so bad. Flew up front on one 3 times now. Ther
48 Transpac787 : As usual, you have absolutely no technical knowledge or details to back up your used-car-salesman assertions. 777-232LR - MTOW: 766,000# MZFW: 461,00
49 seabosdca : MD-88s do have a higher cycle limit than A320s (for now -- Airbus is working on this), but I suspect they are keeping them not because the A320s are
50 burnsie28 : I don't think they are up anytime soon, more than half of the 320's are owned compared to leased. As for the 319's 55 are owned and just two are leas
51 seabosdca : But you are not going to be able to carry MZFW, or anything close to it, on a 744 flying LAX-SYD -- whereas the 77L should be able to actually carry
52 Transpac787 : Actually it could. Or at least very close to it. Its MGTOW is 870,000# and its MZFW is 535,000#. I'd have to check UA dispatches to see what kind of
53 bobnwa : How many of those pilot meets have you personally attended to be able to say that, and what were they dead wrong about?
54 aviationbuff08 : Thanks for the detailed breakdown of the 744 vs the 77L but that brings up two questions: 1) how much cargo does DL carry on the LAX-SYD-LAX route an
55 milesrich : What happened Reno Air's MD-90's that AA dumped? Remember, Delta originally ordered 50 MD-90's, with 110 options, only to take delivery of 16 of them
56 Post contains images deltal1011man : sadly yes around half of the 88s are leased. AA did, (not sure what engine they looked at) but scraped it due costs i believe
57 atlengineer : The IAE V2500 engines are more fuel efficient and have considerably more power (25,000 vs 18,000 lbs thrust), but they weigh over 800 pounds more. Th
58 n7371f : The 5 Reno Air MD-90's were operated by AA for a little while before going back to Boeing Capital. They were then leased to Lion Air for several year
59 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Can;t hide that from the SEC. There would have been a special filing the minute it happened and we all would have known about it the next day Unfotun
60 n7371f : Interesting news...announced to Compass pilots today that airline is taking on 12 E170's for Delta Connection. Planes are coming from Virgin Blue and
61 FSDan : Are these in addition to the 8 that are coming from Republic? Hopefully these will be for a LGA hub...
62 timf : That should just either max out the number of 70 seaters or come very close to it. Does anyone recall exactly how many more they had room to add?
63 FL787 : It completely fills the limit of over 50 seat aircraft. DL may outsource up to 255 aircraft of over 50 and up to 153 of those can be over 70. 71-76 s
64 Post contains images FWAERJ : The IATA code for Compass Airlines is CP, not CZ. CZ is DL's fellow SkyTeam partner China Southern. I also wonder if the CP and S5 E170s are for an L
65 n7371f : Yes. 24 total coming on line. Easy mistake since all the Compass E75's have registrations ending in -CZ. Anyone want to guess who originally used CZ?
66 deltal1011man : 40. “Permitted aircraft type” means: a. a propeller-driven aircraft configured with 70 or fewer passenger seats and with a maximum certificated g
67 TrijetsRMissed : In addition to the points already made, the MD-88 has superior dispatch reliability. A320 reliability had waned for some time with NW, and things hav
68 dtw9 : Announced today on Deltanet, Nine more MD-90's coming from JAL begining Jan 2012. MD-90 fleet now up to 58
69 FlyASAGuy2005 : This entire thread is actually pretty interesting. Especially that of Compass getting more 170s. I guess they wanted to go ahead and fill the gap now
70 deltal1011man : 170s.
71 msp747 : Thanks for the info, very interesting. I'm a big fan of the mad dogs. We're seeing a lot more of them up here anyway, so more opportunities to fly th
72 PSU.DTW.SCE : The additional 170s and the additional (confirmed) MD-90s are meant to offset the capacity lost through the earlier retirement of the DC-9-50's. Does
73 FlyASAGuy2005 : My bad. He did say "in addition to". I saw the press release for the additional S5 flying but never saw anything for CP. Not even internally. I'm not
74 LAXtoATL : I do not believe an airline purchasing airplanes rises to the standard to require a special filing with the SEC. It of course would have to be part o
75 n7371f : I show no record of any DC-9-50's being parked. Most likely 30 lines of flying with the rest of the fleet spares.
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