JKJ777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3872 times:
It is quite rare. LAX sits right next to the Pacific and the prevailing winds are mostly from west to east. When the Santa Ana's blow from the east to west, it is not uncommon to see the pattern switch. Also, when it rains (I spoke to a Polar Air pilot about this) and visibility is low, they tend to use the reverse pattern ILS. If you ever land at LAX prior to 6am, you will also land from west to east in most cases due to the noise abatement.
Iv'e also seen them maintain the normal pattern while other city's experience Santa Ana winds. Santa Ana's don't seem to effect LAX as much. It generally seem more common during the winter as a low pressure system effects SoCal.
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
Mixed flow occurs only late night (after midnight/1am) as a noise abatement practice. In general the longer runway Southside of the airport is used for takeoff, while Northside if for landings with aircraft maintaining visual separation from each other. However with low traffic volume I've seen landings and takeoff's occur on opposite ends same runway also.
Only other time this operation takes place is during times like 4th of July or New Years, with ATC not wanting aircraft to be hit with gunfire, so its keeps all ops over water as a safety measure.
If winds, or low ceilings preclude mixed flow, then the traditional West or East flow is continued which allows for IFR ops.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
johns624 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3179 times:
In around fifteen roundtrips in/out of LAX, I've had it happen once. It was a flight DTW-LAX on a NW 752 and we landed from the west in the rain. I was surprised because I didn't feel any of the turns...
afbua1k2mm From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2883 times:
In years past when UAX did the ONT/LAX shuttle flights the first early morning departure from ONT always used the reverse pattern since arrival was before 6 am in EB120's pulling into the mid-field temporary terminal between DL and UA hangars. Of course, those days are long gone and now I have to take the LA freeway pattern commute from the Inland Empire which from my house is 75 miles taking anywhere from less than 90 minutes or up to 3.5 hours!
dc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2124 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2831 times:
Quoting JKJ777 (Reply 1): It is quite rare. LAX sits right next to the Pacific and the prevailing winds are mostly from west to east. When the Santa Ana's blow from the east to west, it is not uncommon to see the pattern switch. Also, when it rains (I spoke to a Polar Air pilot about this) and visibility is low, they tend to use the reverse pattern ILS. If you ever land at LAX prior to 6am, you will also land from west to east in most cases due to the noise abatement.
Yes, I believe that when my flight from OGG on a DL 764 landed at LAX, we used the southernmost runway, 7R. I'm not completely sure, but about 90%... Because I was sitting in the middle row of seats at the time. It was about 5.20 in the morning IIRC, so the night-time noise abatement was probably in effect. After we landed, the pilot took a wrong turn and we waited for almost 15' on the taxiway, making it hard to forget.
phllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2830 times:
In 12 years in LA I've had 3 East departures and 6 over-water/East landings, only 1 of them during late evening/early morning mixed flow. Problem with East landings is that they have to stay at 10,000 until they hit the beach on the downwind leg and then start down.
crosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2594 times:
Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 15): 14 years of flying, i've never landed Eastbound at LAX, not even as a passenger
The only one time I've landed east at LAX was on the early QF flight from SYD. I recall that after we landed, there was one more plane right after us that also landed east, but everything thereafter started going west.