727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5724 posts, RR: 20 Posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5080 times:
Just became aware of this picture and was curiou; is the gas station still there? I don't see it. Its funny, in 2006 while visiting, I drove right down this road and pass this location. I didn't even realize the significance of where I was.
richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4024 posts, RR: 6 Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5069 times:
Gas station was removed after this accident. The B737 never flew again either... could have been a lot worse!
BoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2315 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4694 times:
The Captain knew he was high; knew he was fast; and that is was a fairly short runway. Why he didn't go-around is beyond me. Cost the two pilots their jobs. As the previous poster pointed out, this incident wasn't that far off being a totally different outcome.
BoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2315 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4649 times:
Runway Excursions is the next big issue the Boeing and the industry are trying to tackle. There are a number of potential technologies that need to be studied; everything from cues on the HUD, to a voice aural added to the EGPWS box that will alert the crew when they are too high or two fast (similar to RAAS, only for stable approaches).
Runway Incursions have gotten a lot of attention and new implementations (e.g. an Airport Moving Map display on some newer models), and will continue to be worked. However, as the "father of EGPWS" at Honeywell pointed out, far more people have died due to Runway Excursions than Runway Incursions.
It always feels good working on a given project when you know that maybe someday an airplane full of people are going to wake up alive the next day, rather than the alternative, because of something you contributed to.
WakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 18 Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4476 times:
Sadly, to me, that name makes it sound like fun. Like the airplane would enjoy taking an excursion out around the airport perimeter.
BUR has added EMAS at the end of Runway 8. Unless the aircraft goes through EMAS at incredibly high speed, I don't think the 2006 type of accident will happen there again.
planespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4384 times:
BoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2315 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4157 times:
Sadly, to me, that name makes it sound like fun. Like the airplane would enjoy taking an excursion out around the airport perimeter.
Yeah, understood. Except Runway Excursions usually ain't fun. If you're lucky you end up like WN in BUR or AA in KIN - maybe a broken airplane but no fatalities. If you aren't lucky, you end up with something really ugly like TP in FNC or JJ in CGH.
While the passengers came out okay, that little boy riding in the car passing along a road at the end of the runway at MDW during WN's other Runway Excusion wasn't too lucky either, tragically.
Like I said, both Boeing and the rest of the industry recognizes this is an area that really needs to be addressed, and are doing so.
WakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 18 Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3550 times:
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4): Runway Excursions is the next big issue the Boeing and the industry are trying to tackle. There are a number of potential technologies that need to be studied; everything from cues on the HUD, to a voice aural added to the EGPWS box that will alert the crew when they are too high or two fast (similar to RAAS, only for stable approaches).
Yes, I was being sarcastic above, but you are correct that it is a serious issue (hopefully they find a better name). I am curious about the tech that you speak of. Adding something to the GPWS sounds interesting, but would it be more cost effective to make it specific to an airport by linking it through something like an Electronic Flight Bag? The incident at BUR and MDW would not have happened practically anywhere else in the US because of the short runways at both airports. Having the GPWS tell a pilot that they are approaching too high doesn't do much when you are landing on a 10,000 foot runway and have plenty of room to stop.
-Matt
BoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2315 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1200 times:
Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 9): Adding something to the GPWS sounds interesting, but would it be more cost effective to make it specific to an airport by linking it through something like an Electronic Flight Bag?
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