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BUR WN Overun Question  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6285 posts, RR: 17
Posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5480 times:

Just became aware of this picture and was curiou; is the gas station still there? I don't see it. Its funny, in 2006 while visiting, I drove right down this road and pass this location. I didn't even realize the significance of where I was.   



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Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
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User currently onlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4233 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5469 times:

Gas station was removed after this accident. The B737 never flew again either... could have been a lot worse!


None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2946 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5094 times:

The Captain knew he was high; knew he was fast; and that is was a fairly short runway. Why he didn't go-around is beyond me. Cost the two pilots their jobs. As the previous poster pointed out, this incident wasn't that far off being a totally different outcome.

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3057 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5083 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):
Cost the two pilots their jobs

The F/O got his back.



The good old days: Delta L-1011s at MSY
User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2946 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5049 times:

Runway Excursions is the next big issue the Boeing and the industry are trying to tackle. There are a number of potential technologies that need to be studied; everything from cues on the HUD, to a voice aural added to the EGPWS box that will alert the crew when they are too high or two fast (similar to RAAS, only for stable approaches).

Runway Incursions have gotten a lot of attention and new implementations (e.g. an Airport Moving Map display on some newer models), and will continue to be worked. However, as the "father of EGPWS" at Honeywell pointed out, far more people have died due to Runway Excursions than Runway Incursions.

It always feels good working on a given project when you know that maybe someday an airplane full of people are going to wake up alive the next day, rather than the alternative, because of something you contributed to.


User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4876 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
Runway Excursions

Sadly, to me, that name makes it sound like fun. Like the airplane would enjoy taking an excursion out around the airport perimeter.  

BUR has added EMAS at the end of Runway 8. Unless the aircraft goes through EMAS at incredibly high speed, I don't think the 2006 type of accident will happen there again.

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User currently offlineplanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 3):
The F/O got his back.

But he had to start at the back of the seniority list, which is like losing half of your job.



Do you like movies about gladiators?
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24629 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4748 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 1):
Gas station was removed after this accident.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2946 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4557 times:

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 5):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
Runway Excursions

Sadly, to me, that name makes it sound like fun. Like the airplane would enjoy taking an excursion out around the airport perimeter.

Yeah, understood. Except Runway Excursions usually ain't fun. If you're lucky you end up like WN in BUR or AA in KIN - maybe a broken airplane but no fatalities. If you aren't lucky, you end up with something really ugly like TP in FNC or JJ in CGH.

While the passengers came out okay, that little boy riding in the car passing along a road at the end of the runway at MDW during WN's other Runway Excusion wasn't too lucky either, tragically.

Like I said, both Boeing and the rest of the industry recognizes this is an area that really needs to be addressed, and are doing so.


User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
Runway Excursions is the next big issue the Boeing and the industry are trying to tackle. There are a number of potential technologies that need to be studied; everything from cues on the HUD, to a voice aural added to the EGPWS box that will alert the crew when they are too high or two fast (similar to RAAS, only for stable approaches).

Yes, I was being sarcastic above, but you are correct that it is a serious issue (hopefully they find a better name). I am curious about the tech that you speak of. Adding something to the GPWS sounds interesting, but would it be more cost effective to make it specific to an airport by linking it through something like an Electronic Flight Bag? The incident at BUR and MDW would not have happened practically anywhere else in the US because of the short runways at both airports. Having the GPWS tell a pilot that they are approaching too high doesn't do much when you are landing on a 10,000 foot runway and have plenty of room to stop.
-Matt

[Edited 2011-02-27 19:11:50]


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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2946 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1600 times:

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 9):
Adding something to the GPWS sounds interesting, but would it be more cost effective to make it specific to an airport by linking it through something like an Electronic Flight Bag?
http://www51.honeywell.com/honeywell...ils/06.15.09SmartLanding.html?c=31


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