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AA & WestJet, In Codeshare, FF'er Pact  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4665 times:

Following the interline agreement with AA signed last fall, Westjet now has expanded the relationship into a codeshare relationship with AA pending government approvals.

Initial code-share will cover 20 Canadian cities from ORD and BOS, with expansion to the rest of AA network "in the near future".

News story:

American Airlines and Canada's WestJet Airlines Announce Comprehensive Codeshare and Frequent Flyer Relationship
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Americ...as-prnews-2556517603.html?x=0&.v=1


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4669 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Following the interline agreement with AA signed last fall, Westjet now has expanded the relationship into a codeshare relationship with AA pending government approvals.

Fantastic News! WestJet could prove to be vital to other oneworld members in the future!


User currently offlineTinosky From Canada, joined Mar 2010, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4646 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
American Airlines and Canada's WestJet Airlines Announce Comprehensive Codeshare and Frequent Flyer Relationship

I wonder if this code share agreement would go as far as (JAL Milage Club Miles?).

Would be nice to rack up on WestJet flights and spend them on trips to Japan 

TInosky~


User currently offlineaviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4581 times:

Appears that Westjet is doing the same thing that AS is doing, operating as a stand alone carrier while codesharing with other major airlines without joining an Alliance.

Didn't an VP of Westjet recently come from AS? I talked with a WestJet pilot in ATL last month about the same time DL announced a very similar agreement with Westjet... and the pilot mentioned something to this fact.


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4558 times:

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 3):
in ATL last month about the same time DL announced a very similar agreement with Westjet

DL never announced a codeshare with WS. The two only have an interline agreement.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4510 times:
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More Information:

"The codeshare relationship, which is subject to regulatory approvals, will allow American to place its AA* code on WestJet flights, and WestJet to place its WS* code on flights of American Airlines and American Eagle. The placement of AA* code on WestJet flights will provide American's customers seamless connecting service to up to 20 Canadian cities not currently served by American or American Eagle. WestJet will initially place its WS* code on American or American Eagle flights from Canada to Chicago and Boston, with expanded service throughout American Airlines network expected in the near future. The codeshare agreement will make it easier and more convenient for customers to connect from WestJet to American's global route network and from American to WestJet's Canadian operations.

"Members of the American Airlines AAdvantage® program and WestJet's Frequent Guest Program® will be able to earn miles or rewards on the codeshare flights, providing customers another benefit of the enhanced relationship. The two airlines are exploring other ways to augment their cooperation in the future."
http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=537


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3753 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

I wonder if this means both WS and AA metal from Canada to ORD in the future, much like the old "American/Canadi>n" partnership.

Anyway, it's nice to get a new way to earn AAdvantage miles.



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User currently offlinedrgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 3):
Didn't an VP of Westjet recently come from AS? I talked with a WestJet pilot in ATL last month about the same time DL announced a very similar agreement with Westjet... and the pilot mentioned something to this fact.

WestJet's president and CEO Gregg Saretsky used to be a marketing VP for Alaska Airlines.


User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4990 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

Quoting drgmobile (Reply 7):
WestJet's president and CEO Gregg Saretsky used to be a marketing VP for Alaska Airlines.

And for Canadian Airlines before that.

More and more, Westjet is becoming Canadian Airlines ...



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User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 8):
More and more, Westjet is becoming Canadian Airlines ...

Perhaps they can bring back "Proud Wings"? One of the best liveries ever.


User currently offlinemacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 532 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3980 times:
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Quoting LongHauler (Reply 8):
More and more, Westjet is becoming Canadian Airlines ...

That would be really good news in my book. CP was always a favorite....



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3894 times:
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AMR Corp. PR:

"Members of American Airlines AAdvantage and WestJet's Frequent Flyer Programs will be Able to Earn Miles or Rewards on Codeshare Flights":

Virasb Vahidi, American's Chief Commercial Officer stated, "Our codeshare with WestJet will further expand our North American network and provide our customers seamless connections to and from cities throughout Canada...As a valuable result of NAFTA economic integration and the open skies aviation agreement between Canada and the United States, Canada has become an ever more important business and leisure destination for travelers from the U.S."

Hugh Dunleavy, WestJet's Executive Vice-President, Strategy and Planning stated, "This agreement with American Airlines marks an important milestone in WestJet's history...WestJet is executing our strategic plan to evolve our interline and codeshare capabilities, and in particular, these initial routes should immediately enhance our reach and value proposition to business and corporate travelers in central Canada in particular. We are very pleased to see the success of our efforts as we enter the first codeshare where WestJet will actively sell on another airline. We look forward to a successful relationship with American."
http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3158


User currently offlineswa4life From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

I don't understand why the new WS CEO opted not to follow through with the codesharing agreement with Southwest, but is now codesharing with other US airlines. For the purpose of tapping into the US market, nobody has a more robust route network than Southwest with direct service to more city pair combinations. As it stands, a ton of Canadians cross into BUF and DTW to fly Southwest.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3814 times:
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Quoting swa4life (Reply 12):
I don't understand why the new WS CEO opted not to follow through with the codesharing agreement with Southwest, but is now codesharing with other US airlines. For the purpose of tapping into the US market, nobody has a more robust route network than Southwest with direct service to more city pair combinations. As it stands, a ton of Canadians cross into BUF and DTW to fly Southwest.

AA taps into the huge U.S. domestic market, along with the Latin American and Caribbean markets and CATHAY PACIFIC taps into the Asian market. CX states, "Under the new arrangement, Cathay Pacific’s “CX” code will be placed on WestJet flights between Calgary, Edmonton, Halifax, Montreal, Ottawa and Winnipeg and the Hong Kong carrier’s two Canadian gateways, Toronto and Vancouver."
http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_...3641c7b210VgnVCM62000007d21c39____


User currently offlineswa4life From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
AA taps into the huge U.S. domestic market, along with the Latin American and Caribbean markets and CATHAY PACIFIC taps into the Asian market. CX states, "Under the new arrangement, Cathay Pacific’s “CX” code will be placed on WestJet flights between Calgary, Edmonton, Halifax, Montreal, Ottawa and Winnipeg and the Hong Kong carrier’s two Canadian gateways, Toronto and Vancouver."
http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_...9____

I know, but why AA over WN for the purpose of tapping into the domestic US market? I mean, I would understand it if WS was looking to work exclusively with one US airline for the purpose of connecting with the US as well as international destinations, but it seems like WS is sort of looking to get involved with a number of airlines. WN's ability to connect to more US cities with more frequency and more directly from more places is unrivaled in the US domestic market. All on Southwest 737 metal. It seems to me that if a foreign airline was looking to codeshare into the US domestic market, Southwest would be the primary option.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11637 posts, RR: 61
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3643 times:

Awesome news - this will definitely bolster AA's access to Canada, a market is has basically steadily lost share in since AMR lost Canadian. Like many others, I, too, hope this portends WestJet joining oneworld.

User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5237 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

Quoting swa4life (Reply 12):
I don't understand why the new WS CEO opted not to follow through with the codesharing agreement with Southwest, but is now codesharing with other US airlines. For the purpose of tapping into the US market, nobody has a more robust route network than Southwest with direct service to more city pair combinations. As it stands, a ton of Canadians cross into BUF and DTW to fly Southwest.

I don't remember the exact details, but WN's pilots weren't happy that management was willing to let WS fly Southwest passengers across the border. The pilots felt that WN ought to get approval from the U.S. and Canadian governments to start their own flights, which woul mean more flying to WN pilots.

I think that was a set amount of time for both carriers to get the codeshare going, and WN wasn't able to complete its work within the time frame.


User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

That is interesting to see.....I will definitely consider flying WJ if I can earn points on my AA account!

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 3):
Didn't an VP of Westjet recently come from AS?
Quoting LongHauler (Reply 8):
Quoting drgmobile (Reply 7):
WestJet's president and CEO Gregg Saretsky used to be a marketing VP for Alaska Airlines.

And for Canadian Airlines before that.

He was also a part-time airport agent for Wardair in his early days. And his father worked for AC and his mother for CP. I think his two brothers are also pilots.


User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2241 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2979 times:

WS had to make a move with someone, in order to counter the UA/AC cross border link up. While short of the full profit sharing/merged deal of UA/AC, it smooths access and the added benefits of the FF flexibility will be great for travelers and specificially for WS/AA customers. I think WS will continue to do specific deals like this to strengthen routes. I also had heard the difficulty with the WS/WN deal was pilot issues, compounded to a lesser extent computer ones.

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11637 posts, RR: 61
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 19):
WS had to make a move with someone, in order to counter the UA/AC cross border link up.

Indeed. That was a powerful impetus to incentivize WestJet into making a deal, to add onto their desire for the last several years to deepen links with strategically valuable partners and develop their alliance network.

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 19):
While short of the full profit sharing/merged deal of UA/AC, it smooths access and the added benefits of the FF flexibility will be great for travelers and specificially for WS/AA customers.

True, this is well short of the United-Air Canada deal, as I think all would have expected, although one has to think that at least one of these partners (AA) sees larger grand designs for where this relationship might head.

I have no doubt that potential antitrust immunity and/or oneworld membership, etc. is well ahead of where WestJet is today, or will be for years, if ever. However, the opportunity here is no doubt huge, and I have to assume that AA sees massive potential to deepen this alliance in the future to the benefit of both airlines.


User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2874 times:

AA already serves all major cities in Canada - so it is WestJet that wants to maximize this relationship.

AA theoretically can increase its existing service and add YEG and YWG and will pretty much access to all major centers in the country.


User currently offlineaa1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 20):
True, this is well short of the United-Air Canada deal, as I think all would have expected, although one has to think that at least one of these partners (AA) sees larger grand designs for where this relationship might head.

I have no doubt that potential antitrust immunity and/or oneworld membership, etc. is well ahead of where WestJet is today, or will be for years, if ever. However, the opportunity here is no doubt huge, and I have to assume that AA sees massive potential to deepen this alliance in the future to the benefit of both airlines.

AMR certainly sees the future of its existence in the globalization of air travel. It's a co-dependence and interdependence of airlines that is occurring. More consolidation and exclusive partnerships seems to be the trend of the industry.

WS choosing AA, would be WS choosing CX, JL, BA, QF etc as their future partners as well- IMHO.

AA1818



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11637 posts, RR: 61
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 21):
AA theoretically can increase its existing service and add YEG and YWG and will pretty much access to all major centers in the country.

Depending on how deep this relationship gets, and how much it helps AA's fortunes in Canada, I could definitely see AA building up their presence a bit in Canada - particularly western Canada. Specifically, I could certainly see AA adding a second daily ORD-Calgary flight, and perhaps upgrading one or both back to mainline (like in the height of the Canadian days), adding a year-round ORD-Vancouver flight (probably 737 in the winter, 757 in the summer), adding a couple of daily Eagle CR7s on ORD-Edmonton, and possibly a couple of daily Eagle ERJs no ORD-Winnipeg. One never knows ...

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 22):
WS choosing AA, would be WS choosing CX, JL, BA, QF etc as their future partners as well- IMHO.

WestJet already has a relatively deep (by WestJet standards) relationship with Cathay, and seeing them move towards building more relationships with JAL, BA, QANTAS, etc. would certainly hint at something larger...


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 19):
While short of the full profit sharing/merged deal of UA/AC, it smooths access and the added benefits of the FF flexibility will be great for travelers and specificially for WS/AA customers.

However, a big negative in generating profitable high-yield business traffic is WS's lack of a premium class product and no airport lounges and simiilar business-oriented services. I doubt many AA F class passengers will be happy connecting to a WS flight and possibly winding up in a middle seat.and with buy-on-board service.


25 Post contains images commavia : I'm sure that if their plans call for travel to the north, they will be more than happy to now have the option of earning AAdvantage miles on a vast
26 Viscount724 : Note I was referring to F class (not Y) AA passengers connecting to WS. AC has the advantage of being able to offer a business class cabin on their e
27 commavia : I know that. What I was referring to is that, if given the choice, there are plenty of loyal mileage whore AAdvantage members who would be more than
28 abrelosojos : Interesting move by WestJet. I am fascinated at where they would grow now. Saludos, A.
29 Post contains images pnwtraveler : One of the two reasons I don't fly them as often . I sat beside an AA high mileage FF on his and coincidently my first SouthWest flight. It made for
30 C172Akula : What about the 3rd party lounges at Canadian airports? I know the Servisair Chinook Lounge in YYC in the 'D' pier accommodates the business class pass
31 pnwtraveler : Those are available to anyone who wants to pay. Since they are a third party AA would have to make an arrangement to pay for the entry of their F pas
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