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A380 Too Large For EgyptAir: Chairman  
User currently offlineaviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1428 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9489 times:

A380 too large for EgyptAir: chairman

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...o-large-for-egyptair-chairman.html

Quote:
EgyptAir is not interested in the Airbus A380, insisting that the aircraft type is too large for its operations.
The Cairo-based flag-carrier, while battling a capacity crisis in the wake of the unrest in the country, is still carrying out fleet planning to 2015 and 2020.

EgyptAir holding company chairman Hussein Massoud says that the airline is examining the Airbus A350 and the Boeing 787.

But he says the A380 is too large for the carrier's routes. "Airbus tried to bring this idea to us," he said, speaking during a briefing today.


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User currently offlineHeeBeeGB From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9468 times:

Thanks for the link, the news doesn't surprise me though. The A380 is too large for most airlines.

User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1670 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9452 times:

Not a surprise at all, but still a pity IMHO  


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User currently offlineGarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9124 times:

IMHO EgyptAir were never, ever going to need the A380. Thus I am not surprised by this in the slightest.


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User currently offlineRubberJungle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8455 times:

It seems to bring the previous thread to a grinding halt, anyway:

http://photos.airliners.net/aviation...eneral_aviation/read.main/5064313/


User currently offlineeraugrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8247 times:

Think this could be an opening for the 747-8i?

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User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7244 times:

Quoting Garpd (Reply 4):
IMHO EgyptAir were never, ever going to need the A380. Thus I am not surprised by this in the slightest

Exactly, why he felt he needed to put it in a public statement is bizzare though...

Quoting eraugrad02 (Reply 6):
Think this could be an opening for the 747-8i?

Not a chance, MS are saying that the 77W and A333 are too much capacity for them at the moment. They're considering leasing out the 777's and are deffering deivery of the A333's



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User currently offlineGarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6125 times:

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 6):
Exactly, why he felt he needed to put it in a public statement is bizzare though...

Maybe he reads A.net and is sick of the armchair CEOs here thinking EgyptAir must have the A380?     



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7816 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6082 times:

IMO any operator not useing the B747-400 is unlikely to go for the A380.

User currently offlinedavs5032 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6057 times:

Quoting eraugrad02 (Reply 5):
Think this could be an opening for the 747-8i?

Nope. The 77W is enough for them.


User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5527 times:

Quoting Garpd (Reply 7):
Maybe he reads A.net and is sick of the armchair CEOs here thinking EgyptAir must have the A380?


Lol that explains it   

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 8):
IMO any operator not useing the B747-400 is unlikely to go for the A380.


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User currently offlinecerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5299 times:

Quoting Garpd (Reply 7):
Maybe he reads A.net and is sick of the armchair CEOs here thinking EgyptAir must have the A380?

Unnecessary and unfair comment. The discussion was about MS COULD operate A380 by the end of this decade, which was suggested by the CEO of MS at one stage.


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 10):
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 8):
IMO any operator not useing the B747-400 is unlikely to go for the A380.


Kingfisher, Air Austral, QR, EK, EY

Add CZ and Skymark to that group as well. Makes it to about half of the A380s orderbook.

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 6):
Not a chance, MS are saying that the 77W and A333 are too much capacity for them at the moment. They're considering leasing out the 777's and are deffering deivery of the A333's

That is more due to the current political turmoil than anything else.
Once the political situation stabilise, MS will need their planes on order.



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User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4378 times:

The A380 is a beautiful bird, but not for everyone (in fact not for most airlines) as much as I would love to see more A380 operators, the A380 is not something viable for the majority of airlines

User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

If you ask the question about A380 in a few years from now they may have a different answer, who knows?

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User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1708 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

A lot of it has to do with Egypt's location. With Europe & the Middle East easily doable with narrowbodies (although many markets have matured to A330& 77W level service), there aren't any markets that are necessarily constricted that would warrant an A380 (like Canada is for EK, for example). That is not to say that there won't be A380s in Egypt-I expect airlines like EK, LH and SV if they ever order them to use them to CAI-and of course if airlines like BA and AF choose to order more A380s, then we might see them in CAI as well.
When 747s were introduced, it was not uncommon for airlines to operate only a handful of frames. As a result, a lot of airlines operated the 747. Nowadays, airlines won't order a type unless they need at least 5 of them-and I don't see MS going for 5 A380s, particularly seeing as they're happy with the 77Ws. In the long-term Factor in that the 738 is MS's narrowbody of choice.


User currently offlineGarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

Quoting cerecl (Reply 11):
Unnecessary and unfair comment. The discussion was about MS COULD operate A380 by the end of this decade, which was suggested by the CEO of MS at one stage.

I don't think so. I was talking about previous comments scattered around various A380 oriented threads.
Some appear to take the fact that EgyptAir uses 77Ws as evidence they need the A380.



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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1670 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 8):

IMO any operator not useing the B747-400 is unlikely to go for the A380.

Euuhh....Emirates?!



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

The 77W is obviously already a bit much to chew for them as they are forced to lease them out, so why on earth should a A380 make sense here? Maybe in 10 years it will, who knows.

User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4409 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

The current changes of the political situation, and the instability of the whole region, definitively have reduced their capacity needs. Even in th eoptimistic scenario that a stable government can be implemented by years end that is open to free world, free trade and free travel, it will take years to catch up. While I saw a remote chance for MS A388 around 2020 beforehand, now I don't see them before 2025.

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