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Anemic Orders 2011, A And B  
User currently offlinefrmrCapCadet From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1732 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3679 times:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...echnology/2014392246_boeing04.html

I had not realized that orders were quite so scarce thus far. While Asian economies may be recovering neither North America nor Europe are doing all that well.


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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

A does not see this problem, two new A380 costumors and a bunch of large A320NEO orders done or in the pipe plus well selling A330s. There isn't a big topic about the 500 A320NEO orders by June for nothing. B got some very nice B737 orders late last year, and will get some again this year - provided they are able to communicate a longer range strategy. I can imagine some airlines are waiting what Boeing wants to do for 2019 before ordering A320NEO or B738.

European economy by the way is doing very well. In Germany usually the unemployment rate rises from January to February by 30.000 for seasonal effects, this year it went down by 10.000 - state of economy is extremely good. Problems are still in those countries where greedy bankers control the state and not ths state controls the greedy bankers.


User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 1):
Problems are still in those countries where greedy bankers control the state and not ths state controls the greedy bankers.

Hear!, hear!   



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31240 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3450 times:
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I wonder if EY is going to replace those four cancelled 787-9s with more 777-200LRs and/or 777-300ERs.

User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
I wonder if EY is going to replace those four cancelled 787-9s with more 777-200LRs and/or 777-300ERs.

Maybe EY is behind one of the UFO orders for 777's. Would make sense if they need lift on short(er) notice. Production increase for the 777 line should create a few new delivery slots airlines could use very well.



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User currently onlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3810 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 1):
A does not see this problem,

A does very much see this problem.
Negative order sheet for the year this far (-3) with the latest DAE cancellation.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ae-axes-30-more-airbus-orders.html

The current situation in the ME countries will certainly not help.



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineCM767 From Panama, joined Dec 2004, 655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2912 times:

Forget about it! ... China is coming to the rescue   :

"Air China To Double Fleet Size By 2015

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1299245216.html


HNA To Buy Aircraft From Boeing, Airbus

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1299244783.html



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6837 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

Airbus is probably stacking up orders behind closed doors to make a bang at the Paris-Le Bourget Air Show, as they usually do.


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User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting CM767 (Reply 6):
Air China To Double Fleet Size By 2015

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1299245216.html


HNA To Buy Aircraft From Boeing, Airbus

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1....html

10,8% yearly growth in Chinese air travel, sounds very promising indeed. The latter article mentions the need for widebody aircraft and a possible A380 purchase for Hainan Airlines, IMO a bunch of A330 and 77W's seems certain.

For Air China, an order for A380's can't be too far away....



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User currently offlinefrmrCapCadet From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1732 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

10.8 percent growth maintained over more than a few years is staggering. And seldom can be maintained. China just announced that the target for the economy has been dropped one percentage point.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31240 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2601 times:
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Quoting frigatebird (Reply 4):
Maybe EY is behind one of the UFO orders for 777's.

Yes, they converted four 787-9s to two 777-300ERs.


User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2197 times:
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there seems to be this myth that airlines buy new planes just because they can (or because some A.neter wants to see a specific paint job on an unsuited bird... say an Alaska A380 with the salmon scheme )... maybe part of the sales picture so far is that there in little projected need by the airlines.. yah I know the manufacturers all see potential but realistically... Not only that several of the model pipelines are sold out for the next 3-5 years so what is the hurry? right now I would question the sanity of any order over 30 a/ps... by the time they are delivered, the whole market may have changed and low hour used may be flooding the market place... which is also a problem if you expected to ell the older units...

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