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Air Iceland Dash 8 Crash Landing  
User currently offlineabletofly From Denmark, joined Nov 2006, 118 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 21588 times:

An Air Iceland flight from KEF to GOH has crashlanded in Nuuk, Greenland at 13.10 local time supposedly due to severe windconditions.
34 PAX were onboard, and should be albe to walk away.
http://sermitsiaq.gl/
It's in danish though.

[Edited 2011-03-04 09:59:17]

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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10804 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 21572 times:

I think "crash" is a bit too much said. That plane doesnt look like a writeoff.

User currently offlineGarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2696 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 21572 times:

Crash landed is not a description I would give this incident.
Emergency landing or simple gear collapse incident would fit.

Crash Landing give one the impression of carnage, debris, etc, etc. Making it sound much more deadly than it is.

Just my opinion of course.



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User currently offlinesandroZRH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 21487 times:

Quoting na (Reply 1):
I think "crash" is a bit too much said. That plane doesnt look like a writeoff.

How would you possibly know that? You can't see from the pictures what kind of damage the righthand side of the aircraft sustained. It might not be a writeoff, but if the wing, propellers and/or fuselage sustained enough damage it could and should certainly be classified as an accident.


User currently offlineabletofly From Denmark, joined Nov 2006, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 21463 times:

Incident! Thank you, that's what's it's called! Couldn't really remember the word  

Regards.


User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 21138 times:

"...ed had to spend the night in Reykjavik. Dash 8-aircraft ought namely originally have been arrived at Nuuk airport Thursday evening. The landing was canceled because Air Iceland decided that the situation Thursday also was too bad. In Kulusuk early Friday morning, Air Iceland assessed so that the situation was now sufficiently good that the plane could make a safe landing in Nuuk. But then something went wrong Friday morning when landing finally be performed. A passenger on board the aircraftA Dash 8-fly from Air Iceland wrecked this morning around kl.13 in Nuuk airport. On board were 31 passengers and 3 crew members. Everyone escaped without physical blows, when the plane cooed along the runway and ended up stopping across the runway with the front pointing down the slope in a westerly direction. Earlier in the day the plane landed in Kulusuk, when weather and wind conditions in Nuuk airport was assessed as poor to make a landing. Since many of the passengers had veryWhich Sermitsiaq have spoken to describe that immediately came lots of snow into the plane when landing gear collapsed, and he doubts that it havarede flight with his injuries take wing again..."

Translated from Babelfish

WIndsheer? Ice on Runway? Bake failure? Gear Collapse before or after leaving the runway?

Sad to see a "Baby-8" in such a forlorn condition, but glad there were no injuries other than rattled nerves. The airport certainly looks like it is in a (very cold) remote area.



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User currently offlineNumero4 From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21033 times:

Runway is 3,167 ft long.

From Wiki:

'The airport was constructed to serve the largest town in Greenland, yet due to space constraints at the location in a mountainous area and problems with the weather, it is unable to service large airliners. An expansion of the airport is not an acceptable option also due to the approach over the urbanized area of the outlying districts of Nuuk, although the issue continues to be a subject of internal debate in Greenland.'

Of course, this may have nothing to do with the accident. Speaking of which: isn't it automatically an 'accident' when there is damage to the aircraft? I can't remember the official criteria that makes it an accident and not an incident.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20809 times:

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 5):
The airport certainly looks like it is in a (very cold) remote area.

Not that cold. Current temperature +1C (34 F).


User currently offlineHAL9k From Norway, joined Feb 2011, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20806 times:

Quoting Numero4 (Reply 6):
Of course, this may have nothing to do with the accident. Speaking of which: isn't it automatically an 'accident' when there is damage to the aircraft? I can't remember the official criteria that makes it an accident and not an incident.

ACCIDENT and INCIDENT are ICAO Annex 13 definitions:

Let me quote it:

-------------------------------------------------------------------@@@---------------------------------------------------------------
INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS AND RECOMMENDED PRACTICES
AIRCRAFT ACCIDENT AND INCIDENT INVESTIGATION
ANNEX 13
TO THE CONVENTION ON INTERNATIONAL CIVIL AVIATION
CHAPTER 1. DEFINITIONS

When the following terms are used in the Standards and Recommended practices for Aircraft Accident and Incident Investigation they have the following meaning:

Accident. An occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight until such time as all such persons have disembarked, in which:

a) a person is fatally or seriously injured as a result of
- being in the aircraft, or
- direct contact with any part of the aircraft, including parts which have become detached from the aircraft, or
- direct exposure to jet blast,
except when the injuries are from natural causes, self inflicted or inflicted by other persons, or when the injuries are to stowaways hiding outside the areas normally available to the passengers and crew: or

b) the aircraft sustains damage or structural failure which:
- adversely affects the structural strength, performance or flight characteristics of the aircraft, and
- would normally require major repair or replacement of the affected component,
except for engine failure or damage. when the damage is limited to the engine, its cowlings or accessories: or for damage limited to propellers, wing tips, antennas, tires, brakes, fairings, small dents or puncture holes in the aircraft skin: or

c) the aircraft is missing or is completely inaccessible.

Incident. An occurrence, other than an accident, associated with the operation of an aircraft which affects or could affect the safety of operation.
-------------------------------------------------------------------@@@---------------------------------------------------------------

Therefore this is clearly an accident.

Moreover I would say that, as seen from the pictures I guess that this aircraft will be written off... apart from the engine propeller (clearly beyond repair due to the contact with the ground) during the off-runway excursion the A/C have probably damaged the RH wing (panels and wingbox), landing gears, engine pylon.... as the fuselage seems completely out of axis from the runway I imagine that the wing impact on the soft ground should have damaged the wing-fuselage attachments... the plane should have left the runway with quite a bit of speed to end up there running on the soft ground and not ditching into it....

As from the marking under the wing it seems to be TF-JMB (s/n 337) that is a 1992 frame... and seen the location I guess nobody would invest much money in it....


User currently offlineEaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20640 times:

The aircraft, TF-JMB, is a dash 8 which is a relatively new plane.

User currently offlineaero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 19804 times:

TF-JMB was built in 1992 and has the serial number 337.

In an article on Mbl.is, a passenger said some snow entered the cabin, so I guess the fuselage sustained some damage too. And not to call it an accident is seriously.... wrong!

http://www.mbl.is/frettir/innlent/20...3/04/hefdi_ekki_getad_farid_betur/

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User currently offlineandrewuber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19380 times:

There is a series of 11 photos on that site - http://sermitsiaq.ag/galleri/article141273.ece - including a shot of the aircraft in the air just about to touch down before the incident.


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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5113 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19314 times:

Wow! Seriously? Arguments about an incident or crash... Anyways, I am glad that everyone is okay. From the looks of it, it appears to be a challenging environment. I do like the look of the colors on that Dash 8 by the way.


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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19086 times:

This is certainly an accident b/c there was damage and it was of course unintentional. if you ask me, it's the equivelant of a fender bender. an incident is where the plane can still move and no damage was done at all, just a malfunction if you will.


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User currently offlineasgeirs From Iceland, joined May 2001, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 18766 times:

It's good to hear that everyone was able to walk away uninjured after the accident, but sad to see the condition of the aircraft. I hope it will be possible to restore it to flying condition again.

Here are a couple of photos showing the aircraft during happier times:

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Photo © Bergsveinn Norddahl - Reykjavik Aviation Photography




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User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17532 times:

The right side of the aircraft certainly looks worse than the left, damaged prop blades and more serious fuselage damage. It looks like it went off the runway to the right in an uncontrolled manner, possibly due to the extreme winds as alluded to in the first post. Just thinking out loud here, please don't pick on me with the old "its too soon to state facts...yada yada yada" we've all heard it before and this is just a web forum for the discussion of ideas and opinions. Glad that everyone seems to be OK.


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User currently offlineNumero4 From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16789 times:

Quoting HAL9k (Reply 8):
ACCIDENT and INCIDENT are ICAO Annex 13 definitions:

Let me quote it:

Thank you for quoting this and thus answering my question in the clearest manner.

Quoting andrewuber (Reply 11):

There is a series of 11 photos on that site - http://sermitsiaq.ag/galleri/article141273.ece - including a shot of the aircraft in the air just about to touch down before the incident.

It's rare to see such good photographs of an accident scene. It's even rarer to see a shot of an aircraft seconds before the crash itself. I remember looking on Flightaware the schedule for GOH a few weeks ago and at any given day there's only one or two scheduled landings. I guess people there get to watch for these things.



CYQB
User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15167 times:

Quoting sandroZRH (Reply 3):
How would you possibly know that? You can't see from the pictures what kind of damage the righthand side of the aircraft sustained. It might not be a writeoff, but if the wing, propellers and/or fuselage sustained enough damage it could and should certainly be classified as an accident.

It looks like this can be classified as an accident.



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User currently offlineChiefwip From Greenland, joined Mar 2011, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 14180 times:

I live in Nuuk, and I was at the airport app. 20 minutes after the incident. The airport is situated in an area, where both the sorrundings, and the weather does make flyinfg difficult from time to time. But it has been operation since 1979, and there has never been an accident or an incident like this before.

Interesting note on that behalf, is that Air Greenland who up untill recently was the sole user of the airport, only flew Dash-7 equipment. They themselves aquired 2 second Dash-8 not lang ago. And speculations has been made, regarding the Dash-8´s ability to land on the short strips, in often harsh weather conditions, compared to the Dash-7.


User currently onlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1891 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14058 times:
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Aww not my beloved TFJMB   I flew on that plane a couple of years back on RKV-VEY. I'm glad the pax and crew are okay and hope the plane won't be written off..


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13161 times:

Interesting Wiki article on the airport - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuuk_Airport

Not a place for the faint of heart to fly in bad weather.


User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 742 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12626 times:

Quoting Chiefwip (Reply 18):
And speculations has been made, regarding the Dash-8´s ability to land on the short strips, in often harsh weather conditions, compared to the Dash-7.

WF doesn't seem to have any problems with DH-8 on 800m runways.



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User currently offlinebraynfeeble From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11947 times:

Big deal it went into the snow; stop panicking.


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User currently offlineHAL9k From Norway, joined Feb 2011, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11692 times:

Update:
Air Iceland has declared that a landing gear collapse was the cause of the accident:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...celand-q100-gear-collapses-at.html


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6812 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11594 times:

Could be a hard landing leading to that gear collapse.


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25 kalvado : "Dash 8" and "gear collapse" in one sentence remind about a batch of accidents a few years back. With that, question about event sequence (gear collap
26 Post contains links and images KingFriday013 : Glad to hear everyone got out okay. Hope the plane flies again soon. This plane used to fly for US Airways Express with Piedmont and Allegheny as N963
27 Post contains links Thule : Looks like they've lifted the aircraft out of the way and airport operations can resume at 15:00. http://sermitsiaq.ag/indland/article141322.ece I rea
28 Post contains links kalvado : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash_8_landing_gear_incidents Deja vu?
29 BuyantUkhaa : Those all involved Q400s if I'm not mistaken, with different gear. Q300 seems to be suffering more from malfunctioning nose gears, which was not the
30 CrimsonNL : Flight global mentions it was a Q100, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there is a Q100. The Q was applied to the 200/300/400 models but never
31 RubberJungle : It's a debatable point. Bombardier itself uses the term Q100 (as a search on its website shows) and effectively adopted the name across its turboprop
32 Post contains links flyingbird : Air Iceland actually only had two Dash8, and now only 1 remain in flying condition. I flew Air Iceland Dash8 on this route KEF-GOF-KEF in 2009 and it
33 HAL9k : The MLG collapse problem of the Q400 was connected to a component of the LG specific to the Q400 model, and has been solved. Moreover the Q400 accide
34 bravo1six : That's not what your link says. Your link says: "It [Air Iceland] says the gear collapsed and the aircraft ran off the runway before it stopped, it a
35 prebennorholm : One press report in Danish language says that the right MLG hit deep snow outside the runway. It may have turned the plane out into the rocks where th
36 HAL9k : I didn't indicated "why" the gear collapsed, I only indicated that - as declared by the company - the gear collapse is the cause of the accident....
37 caligula76 : The aircraft suffered substantial damage to the hull, the r/h propeller lost its tips and the propeller-spars were all bended. The NLG was torn away f
38 bravo1six : The choice of words can be somewhat misleading. For example: 1. If the gear collapsed upon an otherwise normal landing then one could say that the ge
39 vfw614 : Looking at Air Iceland's scheduled network and the size of its fleet, I am under the impression that they have much more aircraft in the fleet than th
40 Post contains images PlymSpotter : This makes me think it could be a hull loss. Repairing that kind of damage is bad enough, but doing it in remote Greenland can't make things easy. A
41 caligula76 : Well, they are expanding their flights to/from Greenland these years and the Air Iceland CEO was quoted in the medias that if they have to fly to Nuu
42 Post contains images caligula76 : Well, the main thing is a hangar to do the necessary repair (if it of course is doable). Air Greenland has got three hangars in GOH. One for heavy ma
43 CrimsonNL : Thank you for the picture, it makes me sad seeing her in this state. The damage to the belly is pretty severe.. I hope they'll fix her but I wouldn't
44 HAL9k : ... you are missing one point, Flightglobal is not reporting the description taken from an observer or a passenger, but the official declaration of t
45 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Given the runway length at Nuuk I'm surprised they can fly in with the F50 at all. The Iceland to Greenland flights are quite lucrative more Air Icel
46 Ychocky : Not completely off topic, but that livery looks superb on the Dash.
47 prebennorholm : Well, there might be quite a few options. It could go on a ship to anywhere. Since it seems like the wing - including flaps - has suffered little or
48 bravo1six : Again, the statement from the airline as reported by Flightglobal is: "It says the gear collapsed and the aircraft ran off the runway before it stopp
49 Post contains links speedygonzales : WF has had similar accidents three times. In all cases the landing gear broke after hard landing due to strong and gusty winds. See the similarity? S
50 Post contains images PlymSpotter : This is a design feature of the Dash 8s, and presumably the other aircraft too. Sideways force isn't the issue in most accidents, they have a fuse pi
51 Post contains links and images caligula76 : I disagree with Preben on that one. For starters the airport is situated 6-8km' from the harbor; even if the wings could come of, (as far as I can se
52 Post contains images caligula76 : You 'sigh' a lot don't you? What I meant was not good records accidentwise, but for passenger transport to remotely located small runways in arctic c
53 Post contains links Thule : An article today mentions the shaky hope for repair and Air Iceland's director's opinion: Article: http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2011...an-be-saved-
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