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Will SAA A342 Be Stored Or Scrapped?  
User currently offlinedennys From France, joined May 2001, 871 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 10849 times:

Hello .
Do some of you know whether the 6 x A342s of SAA will ever fly again after having been phased out next year ?
any comments will be appreciated
regards
dennys

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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 10674 times:

I'm not sure who would want them, to be honest. They're some of the oldest A340s around, MSN 6, 8, 11, 18, 19 and 21, from the initial batch LH took delivery of in 1993.

Maybe a government somewhere will take one, but I can't really see any airlines rushing to take them on. They're probably worth more parted out than as a flying aircraft.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30652 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 10592 times:
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Quoting flyingalex (Reply 1):
Maybe a government somewhere will take one...

That is my thought. For those who find an A340-500 too large / too expensive, but want longr-range and four engine redundancy.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6539 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 10314 times:

Or a "dodgy" airline that can't get ETOPS certification ?


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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1808 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 10263 times:

Maybe Iran can get hold of them? They wanted "new" planes. 1993 is old but come on, still flyable.


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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8450 times:

It's more likely that Travolta will buy them if you ask me. Airlines just don't like to constantly reuse a/c that bounced from one airline to another.


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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8085 times:
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Who actually owns them ? SA , LH or a leasing company ?


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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2674 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7645 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 5):
It's more likely that Travolta will buy them if you ask me.

I don't think so. John Travolta lives at one of those air parks where you can land your plane and taxi it to your house. From the pictures I've seen, his 707 looks like a tight fit there. I think an A340 is too large to fly in there.

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 5):
Airlines just don't like to constantly reuse a/c that bounced from one airline to another.

There used to be an airline based in MSP who had a lot of DC-9's that bounced from one airline to another.  


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7593 times:

If the cycles and hours are not too high, I am guessing AR will take a few. They already have a fleet of A342's.

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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7993 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7504 times:

If those A340-200's can be D-check overhauled at reasonable cost, I wouldn't be surprised that some very rich person might snag one for conversion by Lufthansa Technik to a big executive jet. Properly modified such an A342 could fly as much at 7,500 nautical miles, which makes it capable of flying most of the world's transoceanic routes non-stop.

User currently onlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4500 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 9):
I wouldn't be surprised that some very rich person might snag one for conversion by Lufthansa Technik to a big executive jet. Properly modified such an A342 could fly as much at 7,500 nautical miles, which makes it capable of flying most of the world's transoceanic routes non-stop.

If they cannot sell the never used A-340-8000, which I believe is in storage in Germany, why would anyone want to convert a much used A-340-200 into a VIP jet?


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10657 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

Early-built A340s arent very desirable anymore these days, even the first two or three -300 have been scrapped.
The A340-200 are nice planes, but they were a bit of a one--day wonder with very few operators. They would probably make good planes for a cashstripped airline somewhere to operate a few years more, or fly Hadj and charters on secondary routes. But all will depend on when they need their next major check. As they are of the same size as the A332F I wonder if it would be technically possible to convert them to freighters (though I think the certification process for so few planes alone would prevent it).

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 8):
I am guessing AR will take a few

I understand AR will take A340-300s.


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3197 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
If they cannot sell the never used A-340-8000, which I believe is in storage in Germany,

I know this is an old link but seems to indicate that Saudi Arabian VIP bought this aircraft in March 2007.
Or did it not complete?

The Sole A340-8000 Has Been Sold To........ (by FCKC Mar 7 2007 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10657 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 12):
I know this is an old link but seems to indicate that Saudi Arabian VIP bought this aircraft in March 2007.
Or did it not complete?

The Saudis sold their old A342 HZ-124 and exchanged it with this long-stored one-off A340, that is right. I think I read it was put into service very recently after a lenghty outfitting process.


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4780 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3987 times:

Just a thought, but I think that the A340-200 would make an excellent candidate for a tanker conversion, with a combination of high fuel capacity and low acquisition costs. A few countries already operate them as government transports.

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10657 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 14):
Just a thought, but I think that the A340-200 would make an excellent candidate for a tanker conversion, with a combination of high fuel capacity and low acquisition costs.

You´re right, as its basically the same plane as the MRTT anyway.


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 5):
Airlines just don't like to constantly reuse a/c that bounced from one airline to another.

These aircraft were at LH for 10 years, and then moved to SAA where they spent the last 8 years to the present day. That's hardly what I call being bounced around from airline to airline.



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7993 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
If they cannot sell the never used A-340-8000, which I believe is in storage in Germany, why would anyone want to convert a much used A-340-200 into a VIP jet?

That A340-8000 was sold to someone else, as mentioned later in the message thread.

But still, these ex-SAA A340-200's could still be viable planes because of one reason: plentiful spare parts available, which means maintaining the planes aren't going to cost a fortune. That's why I wouldn't be surprised that a multibillionaire would snag one of them and have Lufthansa Technik upgrade the plane to executive configuration.


User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

Quoting na (Reply 15):
Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 14):
Just a thought, but I think that the A340-200 would make an excellent candidate for a tanker conversion, with a combination of high fuel capacity and low acquisition costs.

You´re right, as its basically the same plane as the MRTT anyway.

The slight problem being that on the A332 MRTT the outer engine mounting points are used for re-fuelling points!!!!


User currently offlinedennys From France, joined May 2001, 871 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

Well guys Many thanks for your answers . Should Iran Air take some of them i should
be delighted
regards
dennys


User currently offlinebrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

A couple of months ago, while at at a model shop, I bumped into a guy who worked for one of the leasing companies. We got to chatting about aircraft in general. When I mentioned I'm from South Africa, the topic of these aircraft came up. His comment was "I hope SA keeps them for a long time -- there's no way we can lease them out again."

From the conversation, I got the impression that they would likely be parted out after SA ended the leases as there simply isn't a lease market for them.



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User currently offlineburkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4387 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 16):
That's hardly what I call being bounced around from airline to airline.

Especially since the first owner continued to maintain them.

Later built A343 had the same range and lower CASM, so it may be difficult to place them. They could be interesting for a company that offers short term wet charter - they can do all any A330,A343,B767 or B772 can do due to their range case those need short term replacement.


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