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Why Do Airlines Bother Publishing Route Maps?  
User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15940 times:

I was looking through Delta's magazine on a flight the other day. The route map had so many overlapping lines that it was really impossible to tell what routes Delta flies. It was especially complicated by the fact that they now seem to consider Air France and KLM trans-Atlantic flights as Delta flights. For example, in the magazine route map, they had two trans-Atlantic flights out of Washington Dulles. I assume these are AF to CDG and KL to AMS, but as I said it's impossible to figure out where the lines go.

Wouldn't it make more sense to have a list of cities served and frequencies?

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User currently offlinedfwrevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15806 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Thread starter):
I was looking through Delta's magazine on a flight the other day. The route map had so many overlapping lines that it was really impossible to tell what routes Delta flies.

IMO, the point is less to communicate exact city pairs for the purpose of route planning but instead to give the impression of a large, comprehensive network of destinations. That way, when I think about going somewhere I think DL can get me there.


User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15807 times:

I love looking at airline route maps! Sure, sometimes you can't see a particular city, but I love looking at the big glob of lines going all over the place and knowing that I can go pretty much anywhere in the world!


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User currently offlinedwcontroller From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15808 times:

Have you seen the "new" United map in the Hemisphere magazine they put out. Its now a fold out combining the CO and UA routes, impossible to follow one line.


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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2459 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15791 times:

I have always enjoyed looking at the route maps on the airline inflight magazines. I agree that they are very busy and in many cases difficult to follow the lines from one city to another in some cases. Especially from the US to various cities in Europe.

I think people look at them because they are very visual. I don't think you would get as many people looking at the information if they would merely listed all of the cities and the frequencies. The route lines add some information regarding non-stop flights that a list of cities would not provide. If the lines are really confusing then people can just ignore the lines and look at the cities that are shown on the map, which is the same that the list of cities would provide.

Here is a great site that shows airline route maps.
http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/USA/index.shtml

and for older route maps:
http://www.departedflights.com/routemaps4b.html



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User currently onlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 895 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15606 times:
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If I'm curious about a new airline, or one I don't know much about, the first thing I do is go to their website and look for the Route Map. At a glance, I can get an idea of the areas they serve and the size of their network.

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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6312 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15474 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Thread starter):
The route map had so many overlapping lines that it was really impossible to tell what routes Delta flies.

Gives you something to do for 8 hours when you have no AVOD. 


Seriously, I do some consulting work for PM....small airline but very complex local route structure...they tried to do away with printed schedules and route maps....and the customers got all up in arms...as someone said earlier, it is a visual thing, even if it is not the most effective.



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15439 times:

Quoting RJLover (Reply 2):
but I love looking at the big glob of lines going all over the place and knowing that I can go pretty much anywhere in the world!

Amen to THAT!

I wish Delta brought back the maps of specific cities, showing only that city's routes. I have older ones for JFK and LGA that omit a lot of recent additions. New versions would make the chore of deciding where to non-rev to SO much easier.     



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4845 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15290 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 7):

Amen to THAT!

I wish Delta brought back the maps of specific cities, showing only that city's routes. I have older ones for JFK and LGA that omit a lot of recent additions. New versions would make the chore of deciding where to non-rev to SO much easier.

Or perhaps a map showing Intl destinations without the domestic flights and likewise a domestic map perhaps split between West and East Coast.



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User currently offlinejonnyclark From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15095 times:

Funny, I used to work in inflight publishing for many years as a designer, and as such we used to discuss airline route maps all the time. For large airline groups such as Star Alliance and one world, there are large internal political discussions on making sure all the airlines get publicised by each respective member.

This is why airlines such as Delta, KLM and Air France all suffer from over complicated route maps. Such with the merging of airlines, mergers will create ever the more complicated route maps.

There have been a variety of versions of the humble route map, from a list of destinations accompanying pin pointed maps through to full lists, through to just points on a map. There is no real definitive answer to the problem, apart from to create larger maps, but considering the financial (not to mention ecological) implications of 'larger format' magazines (thus allowing a greater scaled map) so sadly, we will never really see a concrete and logical solution to this growing problem.



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User currently offlineGman3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15071 times:

Quoting dwcontroller (Reply 3):
Have you seen the "new" United map in the Hemisphere magazine they put out. Its now a fold out combining the CO and UA routes, impossible to follow one line.

haha so true, As a flight attendant for UA at least I know where we fly to but it is utterly impossible to understand the route map in out Hemispheres magazine! The different colored lines are similar and so small you cant tell which color they are!!


User currently offlineYYZAMS From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12296 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 7):
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 7):

I agree.....I like looking at these maps.....it is suppose to give you a general idea. If you wanted specifics you can just go to the flight schedule on the airline's website.

I remember looking at all the airlines maps as a kid and didn't like the way AA did not put lines to connect city pairs flown.

I liked the way Delta used to have the major city/hubs nonstop flights.


User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12093 times:

Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 11):
I remember looking at all the airlines maps as a kid and didn't like the way AA did not put lines to connect city pairs flown.

Me too. US Airways never had route lines - just cities served. That always disappointed me.


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2973 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12004 times:
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Quoting dwcontroller (Reply 3):

It's true about the new UA route map now that they combined CO & UA as light blue. They should just print a solid blue gate fold and just print "everywhere".

Actually in truth, on line it's more fun - type in two destinations and animated lines show you the multiple routes you could take. Grey lines indicate a "partner" airline. But I typed in GIG TO SYD and a red line (which is not indicated in the table) an animated RED line went from Rio to Sydney nonstop. We All know that route does not exist as a non stop. Why the animated line didnt go from GIG to IAD to LAX/SFO to SYD. I thought they perhaps knocked out anything with 3 or more stops-- so I tried GIG to SIN and the Line went GIG to ORD to HK to SIN as well as old CO routes via Houston to Japan to SIN. Weird.



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User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11983 times:

Because fools like me like to pour over them for no good reason   And when you cannot use any of your electronics gadgetry, it is a good time killer, at least it is for me.

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4126 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11746 times:

I think the interactive route maps that DL and AC in particular feature on their web pages are more of the visual feature to potential customers than the traditional printed versions featured in SkyMagazine or any published brochure (if any airlines seriously waste paper and print costs doing this any longer) could offer. I guess for me being involved in GIS professionally has graduated me to the ciber-side of this.


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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11315 times:

Just to clarify: I used to love looking at route maps when I could make out where the airline actually flies. It's still possible to do with Delta with Africa and the Middle East and to a lesser extent Asia. But impossible with their domestic map and with their Europe map. Plus it doesn't help that they advertise Delta as flying routes that they don't serve with their own metal...

User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11315 times:

As far as online route maps (rather than the paper ones in magazines) I really like the WN and FR maps on their websites... You put your mouse over a city and only the routes served from that city appear as lines while the non-served cities fade away to make it easier to see the information you want...  


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11038 times:

When I was younger, on long trips, I would just sit and stare at the route maps. I used to to it everytime I fly and before you know it, became a whiz at geography, all thanks to route maps.

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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11023 times:

Yep. They're fun, I look at them every time I get on an airplane.

I derive practically no valuable info from them however.

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User currently offlineYYZAMS From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10923 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 18):

haha..me too...I used to look and find the rivers on the maps and try and see where we were


User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9588 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 18):
When I was younger, on long trips, I would just sit and stare at the route maps. I used to to it everytime I fly and before you know it, became a whiz at geography, all thanks to route maps.

I did that, too. My dad would list trips for me to draw on the map, based on airport codes. He'd write the codes on a napkin...

CLT
DAB
LGA
ICT
SMF
RNO
GRR
BOS
DCA
CLT

Then I would draw the lines (the one perk of US only including city points without routes on their magazine map). I could have done that for an entire flight back then. People wonder how I know geography so well...  


User currently offlinegardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9374 times:

Atleast they have lots of lines on these complicated maps.
Nothing more annoying than picking up an in-flight magazine, turning to the map page, and seeing all the cities but no lines connecting them!
Also it's very annoying to see incorrect maps which sometimes never get corrected for months.
Has Emirates finally added KUL-MEL to its map, a year after it was launched?


User currently offlineYokoTsuno From Singapore, joined Feb 2011, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8953 times:

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 22):
Atleast they have lots of lines on these complicated maps.

Some airlines switched to Metro-style maps. They are not as cool as the typical arc-types but give a much cleaner and organised picture for airlines with huge networks. These arcs can become pretty messy when there're too many of them.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 19):
I derive practically no valuable info from them however.

They come in handy when you're looking for a frequent flyer program.


User currently offlineA330NZ From New Zealand, joined Dec 2010, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8897 times:

It's only hard to see where the lines lead on very large airlines (ie. Lufthansa, Delta). Smaller airlines (ie. Air New Zealand) It's not too hard, and can be really useful.

25 ohsopc : I also really love those route maps. Since I collect in flight magazines, its kind of neat to be able to keep a record of where an airline flies to, l
26 Post contains images dxing : There you go, they are there so on a clear day you can follow along and keep track of where you are in the world because as we all know, they follow
27 United787 : I think for AA, DL, US and UA, since most of their flights are hub based routes, each hub should have a different color for it's routes, hub to hub ro
28 Post contains images lightsaber : I enjoy the printed route maps. As useful as the internet maps? But they are an art to be appreciated. A marketing tool... that works! Online (interac
29 Ike : Thank you for posting it. very interesting. Rgds, Ike.
30 BOStonsox : I can understand the online interactive maps, as those let you know which hubs they fly to from which city. AA until recently didn't do this and I'm s
31 BlueBus : I like to get a basic idea of where the airline flies. Even though I think of myself as an airline geek, I get shocked by some of the cities that cert
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