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Feds OK TPA Flights To Cuba  
User currently offlinen92r03 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 345 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8988 times:

Apparently the only US markets to fly to Cuba are MIA, JFK and LAX. TPA will be added this summer or fall. These charter operators: Air MarBrisa, Island Travel & Tours and ABC Charter have said they intend to offer service to Cuba.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/mar...eral-ok-for-charter-fl/news-money/

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User currently offlineTPADave From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 62 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8728 times:

This is good news for TPA! I know this has been a goal of the airport's for years and is an important step forward for TIA's int'l portfolio. Now go get LH, Joe!

User currently offlinepeteinmiami From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8532 times:

Quoting n92r03 (Thread starter):
Apparently the only US markets to fly to Cuba are MIA, JFK and LAX. TPA will be added this summer or fall. These charter operators: Air MarBrisa, Island Travel & Tours and ABC Charter have said they intend to offer service to Cuba.

Until recently only three US airports were authorized to host charter flights to Cuba, they were MIA, LAX and JFK .
I believe a couple of months ago the US government past a regulation allowing any city interested in flying to Cuba to be able to start charter flights.These flights are not open to the general American public, only people of Cuban ancestry , plus academics, religious groups, students and journalists with a special licence of the Department of State are allowed to get on those flights.With the Obama administration the whole process have been revamped and the list of groups allowed to travel had been widened . During the Bush administration only Cubans having close relatives in the island were allowed to travel and only once every three years.
Since the new regulations were passed, shortly after Obama took the presidency the number of flight to Cuba from these three cities skyrocketed, specially from MIA where easily on peak season you can see around 12 flights a day not only to HAV, but to CMW, SCU, HOG and CFG
After the new regulation was passed TPA, MCO, I believe MSY and EYW somehow expressed their interest to start flights to Cuba, but so far TPA is the only airport that had moved ahead with the application.


User currently offlineskyrat From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8432 times:

Quoting peteinmiami (Reply 2):
These flights are not open to the general American public, only people of Cuban ancestry , plus academics, religious groups, students and journalists with a special licence of the Department of State are allowed to get on those flights

I love this! Why can't they let the general public go there? Seriously religious groups? WHY? You shouldn't have to be a religious group to be able to fly there. Shows who runs the country.



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User currently offlinepeteinmiami From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8372 times:

Quoting skyrat (Reply 3):
I love this! Why can't they let the general public go there? Seriously religious groups? WHY? You shouldn't have to be a religious group to be able to fly there. Shows who runs the country

Well to tell you the truth, now is better than 2 years ago!!! The Cuban-American right wing politicians had successfully blocked through the years any action against the elimination of the embargo and the travel ban, , but that is politics and here we are talking about aviation. Hopefully sooner than later any American will be able to travel to Cuba , without any restrictions or fear of prosecution by the American government!!


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8224 times:

Quoting skyrat (Reply 3):
I love this! Why can't they let the general public go there? Seriously religious groups? WHY? You shouldn't have to be a religious group to be able to fly there. Shows who runs the country.

Read a history book.

Quoting peteinmiami (Reply 4):
Hopefully sooner than later any American will be able to travel to Cuba , without any restrictions or fear of prosecution by the American government!!

When Cuba is a free country that will happen. And Cuba will explode with American dollars. Can you just imagine the shuttle flights between MIA-HAV and the cruise industry there. But I say at least 10 more years. Things in Cuba are improving.

Good for TPA is makes sense. Not sure why MSY or EYW would need these flights though. Besides for maybe IAD and MCO I do not see any other airports running flights to Cuba.



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User currently offlinenjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7938 times:

FLL before MCO even with MIA down the street


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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7819 times:

Quoting njdevilsin03 (Reply 6):
FLL before MCO even with MIA down the street

That is true, but I do not see why the US Gov would ok FLL. No reason to have both MIA and FLL have charter service to Cuba and need extra resources go to FLL too. These are not your normal flights.



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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1286 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7693 times:

I really do look forward to the day when all of this embargo silliness is behind us and normal relations and air services can resume. The market between Florida and Cuba alone is astronomical.

User currently offlineBDABOY From Bermuda, joined Nov 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7560 times:

Quoting peteinmiami (Reply 2):
.These flights are not open to the general American public, only people of Cuban ancestry , plus academics, religious groups, students and journalists with a special licence of the Department of State are allowed to get on those flights

Are non- US passport holders allowed on these charters? I can fly to Cuba from Bermuda any time I want with the only restriction being the awkward routing. Via Toronto is the easiest way- 2 flights. Via other countries closer to Cuba such as Jamaica or Mexico is a little more circuitous- 3 flights.

It would be nice to be able to hop on the 2 hour flight to Miami and catch the charter from there if we are allowed.


User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 934 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7495 times:

ATL has also been approved. Any idea of what carriers will fly all of these new routes?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Histor...o-Begin-iw-914793544.html?x=0&.v=1



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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7507 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7369 times:

It would be great for Cuba's economy to openly welcome US travelers! Come on,it's been over 50 years - open it up!


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User currently offlinepeteinmiami From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7214 times:

Quoting BDABOY (Reply 9):
Are non- US passport holders allowed on these charters? I can fly to Cuba from Bermuda any time I want with the only restriction being the awkward routing. Via Toronto is the easiest way- 2 flights. Via other countries closer to Cuba such as Jamaica or Mexico is a little more circuitous- 3 flights.

It would be nice to be able to hop on the 2 hour flight to Miami and catch the charter from there if we are allowed.

Not sure about that, only a selected group of travel agencies approved by the US Department of State can process your request to travel on these flights.

I know for sure that if you are a permanent resident of the US, no matter what is your citizenship, then you cannot take one of these direct flights to Cuba unless you fall into one of the groups authorized to travel.

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 10):
ATL has also been approved. Any idea of what carriers will fly all of these new routes?

Not sure either, from MIA you have an array of airlines flying depending of the charter contracts, Aerosur, Vision, American, Continental, Insel Air, TACA.

Quoting njdevilsin03 (Reply 6):


FLL before MCO even with MIA down the street

Absolutely right, I totally forgot about FLL, they were one of the airport trying to get the approval before the new regulation was passed. So I do not see any reason, why FLL will not be approved!


User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6127 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6621 times:
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Quoting skyrat (Reply 3):
Seriously religious groups? WHY?

Because they do missionary work....

Quoting peteinmiami (Reply 2):
only people of Cuban ancestry

I would be more up in arms about that one... A lot of them are American citizens and they are allowed to travel there, but the rest of us American citizens are not. Talk about unequal oppertunity!



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User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6129 times:

Does that mean we can now bring Cuban cigars, coming back from Havana? Or is it still off limits...

User currently offlinepeteinmiami From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5585 times:

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 14):
Does that mean we can now bring Cuban cigars, coming back from Havana? Or is it still off limits...

Still off limits, same as Cuban rum and actually any good that had been purchased in Cuba!!!

Quoting peteinmiami (Reply 12):
ATL has also been approved. Any idea of what carriers will fly all of these new routes?

Not sure either, from MIA you have an array of airlines flying depending of the charter contracts, Aerosur, Vision, American, Continental, Insel Air, TACA.

I forgot to mention SkyKing


User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6127 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5337 times:
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Quoting peteinmiami (Reply 15):
Still off limits, same as Cuban rum and actually any good that had been purchased in Cuba!!!

I think you can't even bring Cuban cigars into the USA. When you cross the Detroit River into Ontario you see signs advertising Cuban cigars. I have been told that it is illegal to bring them into the USA, but since I don't smoke I never bothered to find out if that was true or not.



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User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5269 times:

Quoting peteinmiami (Reply 2):
These flights are not open to the general American public, only people of Cuban ancestry , plus academics, religious groups, students and journalists with a special licence of the Department of State are allowed to get on those flights.

Talk about the "land of the free"     



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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5001 times:

Any possibility commercial a/c will fly to Cuba and embargo lifted? Someone said on here illudingb to my question give it 10 yrs and i must agree with them. now if you asked me if this was likely a couple years ago I'd have said doubtful, however, ever since egypt and them changing their government and all, I think in 10 yrs things might just change. This could help tourism too b/c if so many people want to go to Cuba then it could bring in lots of newfound    to Florida's economy!


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User currently offlinepeteinmiami From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 18):
Any possibility commercial a/c will fly to Cuba and embargo lifted? Someone said on here illudingb to my question give it 10 yrs and i must agree with them. now if you asked me if this was likely a couple years ago I'd have said doubtful, however, ever since egypt and them changing their government and all, I think in 10 yrs things might just change.

Well an internet revolution like in Egypt is not going to happen in Cuba, the Cuban government heavily restrict the use of the internet, only less than 2% of the Cuban population has access to the internet, same situation with satellite TV and any media outlet from outside the government. they now the power that the media has and they control it to the last outlet!!


User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3553 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 11):
It would be great for Cuba's economy to openly welcome US travelers! Come on,it's been over 50 years - open it up!

   No matter whether you are communist or capitalist, the truth is that in the 21th century, the position that the US and the EU have regarding Cuba is a true double standard when looking at their relations with China. I'm sure the days when the travel ban is lifted are not far and then maybe we will see Cuba as the top destination from the US to the Caribbean, ahead from the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico.

That said, I've been to Cuba and their airports infraestructure will need to be expanded and improved.

Back to the topic, not only TPA and ATL, but also ORD, BWI, DFW, MSY, PIT and SJU have been given approval. Besides, MOB, IAH and MCO are awaiting theirs. Maybe we will a flight between SJU and HAV with AA/MQ as they already fly from MIA to HAV, HOG and Guantanamo.


User currently offlinepeteinmiami From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

Quoting realsim (Reply 20):
No matter whether you are communist or capitalist, the truth is that in the 21th century, the position that the US and the EU have regarding Cuba is a true double standard when looking at their relations with China.

I totally agree with you!!!! Even with the embargo right now, the US is one of the biggest commercial partners of Cuba, and that legally, since agricultural produce can be exported from the US to Cuba!!! The embargo had been in place for almost 50 years and Castro still there!!

today from Miami they were 4 SkyKing flights to Havana, another one to Camaguey and one to Cienfuegos and they were on AA flight to Holguin, and that is low season. During last Christmas to HAV alone were like 12 flights a day.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

Quoting BDABOY (Reply 9):
Are non- US passport holders allowed on these charters? I can fly to Cuba from Bermuda any time I want with the only restriction being the awkward routing. Via Toronto is the easiest way- 2 flights. Via other countries closer to Cuba such as Jamaica or Mexico is a little more circuitous- 3 flights

No you cannot these flights are closed off to people with approval from the state department etc..

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 10):
ATL has also been approved. Any idea of what carriers will fly all of these new routes?

Whoever wants to fly the charter. It can be anyone from DL to AA or B6 or WN it does not matter could even be Taca or Korean.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 13):
I would be more up in arms about that one... A lot of them are American citizens and they are allowed to travel there, but the rest of us American citizens are not. Talk about unequal oppertunity!

People who have family to visit in Cuba. Makes sense to me.

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 18):
Any possibility commercial a/c will fly to Cuba and embargo lifted? Someone said on here illudingb to my question give it 10 yrs and i must agree with them. now if you asked me if this was likely a couple years ago I'd have said doubtful, however, ever since egypt and them changing their government and all, I think in 10 yrs things might just change. This could help tourism too b/c if so many people want to go to Cuba then it could bring in lots of newfound    to Florida's economy!

The atmosphere in Cuba has been changing recently thats why 10 years is possible. Unlikely but possible.

Quoting realsim (Reply 20):
Back to the topic, not only TPA and ATL, but also ORD, BWI, DFW, MSY, PIT and SJU have been given approval. Besides, MOB, IAH and MCO are awaiting theirs. Maybe we will a flight between SJU and HAV with AA/MQ as they already fly from MIA to HAV, HOG and Guantanamo.

Its good to see all these airports open up but I do not think there is really demand besides for the random charter or two a year. Besides for MIA, TPA, JFK, LAX, FLL, SJU I just dont see anywhere else that has the demand to go to Cuba on a pretty much scheduled type of way. Maybe ORD and IAD. But thats it. MSY, EWY, DFW, PIT?



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