caleb1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 369 posts, RR: 3 Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6725 times:
I have heard that flight crews on layover in Lagos are not permitted to leave their hotels. I also understand that other security measures must be observed as well. Is Lagos really that dangerous a city, or are airlines simply being cautious where their crews are concerned? And if things really are that dangerous, why layover there at all? Why not simply dead head back to base?
bojangles From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6215 times:
We are strongly advised not to leave our hotel, but resident europeans say it's really not that bad. We used to get an armed escort to and fro', but frankly it drew way too much attention to us as the accompanying car had big flashy lights on! By deadheading home, I assume you mean positioning? Not sure about other airlines but there's no way we at BA we would be able to do that, not even Mixed Fleet.
B777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1434 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6141 times:
As with many other things in life, it depends. It depends on the security arrangements the airline makes and, to a very large extent, the common sense of the individual crew members. Lagos can be dangerous, some parts significantly more than others, and you need to have a certain level of "feel" for that to move around outside the hotel.
Trust you understand that I cannot go into details when it comes to security arrangements. Suffice to say we've had crew members laying over in LOS for more than 20 years, and we haven't had an incident yet. We've got very good local knowledge, robust security procedures and we don't send newbies down there - LOS is a place for seasoned crews who's been around the block a few times.
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sw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6365 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6107 times:
Quoting B777LRF (Reply 2): As with many other things in life, it depends
Very true. I have been to Lagos a few times (note I am about as white as you can get, with very light brown hair and blue eyes) and have had no problems aside from some petty robbery attempts...and I mean pickpocketing, not "I'ma knife you" kind of stuff. Then again, I am not a target like a flight crew (but also don't have the security of a flight crew)
Lagos isn't terribly safe, but it's not Mogadishu...
It can be, especially if you haven't been there before. Dangerous is relative. Local knowledge goes a long way. Unfortunately you usually have to survive your lack of local knowledge to gain that. Given the choice between laying over or double crewing to someplace else, I would take the second option.
burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5073 times:
Can't talk about too much but overall picture is that they are advised strongly from leaving hotel grounds, of which the hotels they stay at have plenty of restuarants etc. If they do they should tell someone where they are going and when they plan to be back. Of course there is always the buddy system too. But overall, its advised in all Africa destinations except JNB and CAI not to leave hotel grounds.
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Airtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5068 times:
Quoting caleb1 (Thread starter): I have heard that flight crews on layover in Lagos are not permitted to leave their hotels. I also understand that other security measures must be observed as well. Is Lagos really that dangerous a city, or are airlines simply being cautious where their crews are concerned? And if things really are that dangerous, why layover there at all? Why not simply dead head back to base?
Lagos is a complete shithole, and I do not recommend wandering the streets. When we flew there for DHL we had an armed escort in the van to and from the hotel. We fly there still for another company and we don't get anything security wise. You are going to pay top dollar to eat in the hotel, but it is much better than striking out on your own. Good luck to you.
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