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Air China To Buy 5x Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental's   
User currently offlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 684 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 34272 times:

Air China to buy five Boeing 747-8 planes

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/air...ive-boeing-747-8-planes-2011-03-07

747-8I or 747-8F ?

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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 34189 times:

Wow! That is great news for Boeing, Congrats to both parties!

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30986 posts, RR: 86
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 34174 times:
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Has to be 747-8 Intercontinentals.

Air China Cargo operates 7 747-400Fs, so five more would be a great deal more than a 6.6% increase in capacity.


User currently offlinethediplomat From Ireland, joined Jun 2006, 382 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 34107 times:

Super news for Boeing, and a long overdue order. Perhaps all that red paint made the difference.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15743 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 34065 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Has to be 747-8 Intercontinentals.

Air China Cargo operates 7 747-400Fs, so five more would be a great deal more than a 6.6% increase in capacity.

I'd hold off on that just because we don't know how they figure that. Maybe they counted cargo capacity across the whole fleet and not just pure freighters or something.



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User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 34026 times:

Now that is great news!!! Hopefully the 748i order train starts rolling for carriers that either: a) operate into non-A380 capable airports or b) want to replace 744's and want 4 engines...

More candidates:

- China Eastern
- Cathay Pacific
- Turkish Airlines
- ELAL
- United
- Delta
- British
- South African
- ANA
- Qantas
- Vietnam
- Thai
- Malaysia


I'm also quite confident these are 748i...Air China Cargo is actually a separate legal entity entirely...
- KLM

[Edited 2011-03-07 17:04:52]

User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 33927 times:
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Though their filing does not mention it they appear to be 747-8i from the information in the filing that Air China made to the HKex.

HKex Filing

As Stitch noted the capacity growth they mention fits with their passenger operations.



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 33823 times:

Quote:
Air China said in a statement the planes' combined list price is around US$1.54 billion, but it didn't disclose the actual purchase price. The company added that Boeing had granted it "significant price concessions."

US$1.54 billion is five times the list price of a 748i, and secondly they got a significant discount, both of which makes me think it's the passenger variant.

Not surprised by them being the 748i if this is right; as Air China seem to order a few of everything it was virtually inevitable. All I'm left wondering is how long it'll be until they order 5 A388s to balance things up   


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User currently offlinecosmofly From United States of America, joined May 2009, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 33734 times:

The HKex filing states "The Company expects the Boeing Aircraft will deliver more cost efficient
performance and provide more comfortable services to passengers."

So it looks like we have the third 748i airline.   


User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 33667 times:

Beautiful!! Congrats to Boeing and CA! Very happy to hear about more 748i orders....fingers crossed for some more!! 


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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 33581 times:

From the article...

"
...five 747-8 aircraft that will expand its fleet capacity by 6.6%.

.....the planes' combined list price is around US$1.54 billion, but it didn't disclose the actual purchase price. The company added that Boeing had granted it "significant price concessions..."


These can only be passenger versions from what I'm seeing here.

Same price as this thread dated a 15 months ago.

Korean Air To Buy Five Boeing 747-8s Worth $1.5 Bl posted Thu Dec 3 2009 23:36:11 by Geardown

And most likely they hold options equal in number. My guess is China Airlines from Taiwan will be next to come online... the aircraft is undisputedly a perfect fit for the 744 replacements on their TPE-North America routes, particularly to JFK. Perhaps even opening YYZ. Seems like there's always been an unspoken rivalry between CA (Air China) and CI (China Airlines), although the proverbial political wall is almost gone.. the are very aware of the others' goings-on. I don't see CI sitting on their hands too much longer.


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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 33475 times:

Not exactly a "ringing" endorsement of the program, but nice nonetheless. I'm sure LH is just as happy as Boeing. An order for more than a token amount would be much more encouraging.

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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3551 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 33299 times:
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They are 747-8i's...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Boeing...gn-prnews-1284163548.html?x=0&.v=1


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1944 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 33186 times:

Excellent! It's better than nothing, that's for sure. The more lines Boeing has out in the water, the more bites they should get.

User currently onlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2749 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 33194 times:

A nice order..  

Always love see the "outsiders" get some orders... (A346, 748i, etc).

Congrats to Boeing.   



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User currently offlinejreuschl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 33209 times:

Here is a Boeing picture of the future plane: http://twitpic.com/47aj83

User currently offlineJFKPurser From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 486 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 33151 times:

I think it's hysterically funny that they continue to use the old 1970s CAAC livery.

User currently offlineBlueBus From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 33042 times:

I love the Air China livery on the B747-8I.

Here is a big photo, which looks like from Boeing:

http://www.airlinereporter.com/2011/...47-8-intercontinentals-with-photo/

I am betting more Asian airlines will be buying this aircraft. Boeing didn't paint it orange without a reason.


User currently offlineZKNCL From New Zealand, joined Oct 2010, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 32888 times:

Great! Love to see 747-8I's with more airlines. 

Lets hope UA or DL order next!

Congratulations Boeing for getting more orders !!!      


User currently offlinejtdieffen From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 32865 times:

Excellent news! I'm glad to see a new order for the Intercontinental. I'm surprised that no one has yet mentioned the fact that this is the first order for the -8i from an airline which does not currently have the A380 on order. Apparently there is still a little appeal in the old girl!


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User currently offlinekrisyyz From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 32816 times:

Great News! Hope this orders is just the first of many for the 747-8 in 2011 !

Congrats Boeing and Air China!

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 32772 times:

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 17):

Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Maybe it's a bit too conservative but at least it isn't plain white.


User currently offlinedfambro From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 32709 times:

Great to see another order!

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 12):
Not exactly a "ringing" endorsement of the program, but nice nonetheless. I'm sure LH is just as happy as Boeing. An order for more than a token amount would be much more encouraging.

Well, they never ordered more than 5 744s at a time either *shrug*. Many airlines order their VLAs in small batches. Even LH never ordered more than 5 744s at a time. It is the 20-frame 748 order that is the outlier.


User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 32644 times:

They're only operating ten 747s in passenger service as it is and they have 777-300ERs on order as well (IIRC) so I don't see the need for a large order on their part either.

User currently offlinecosmofly From United States of America, joined May 2009, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 33441 times:

I suspect a Chinese AF1 is in the pipeline, just like the Koreans.

25 Post contains links Stitch : Boeing PR - http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1651
26 Post contains images SKY1 : Good to know about a new VLA order! -... and maybe not the last one 747-8I order for a Chinese carrier. If there's a place in the world where both, A3
27 SlowRoll : Agreed. I bet Boeing has more than one asian airline near the hook and ready to bite.
28 Post contains links zkojh : well done CA ... here is the release from boeing. HONG KONG, March 7, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Air China today signed an agreement f
29 FlyNWA727 : This is excellent news. Even a small order like this is nice when it's from an established carrier. It's just as nice as AA's order for three 77Ws. I'
30 Zkpilot : Well done. I don't expect a sudden rush of orders from other airlines, but do expect at least 3 more operators of the 748I with maybe another 30-40 fr
31 Post contains links and images DEVILFISH : Let us see..... http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/phot...ure=kNDyRuoEsyJO1p4vMHC058nY1EA%3D Up on Flight as well..... http://www.flightglobal.com/articl
32 qfa787380 : I wonder why they chose the 748I over the A380? I keep getting told on this forum that the 380 is by far the superior VLA and as CZ had already ordere
33 N328KF : More orders (Hainan) coming as we "speak."
34 cosmofly : Trade balancing or race for slots?
35 nomadd22 : You also get told on this forum that "plastic" airplanes are deathtraps and either Boeing or Airbus, depending on the nutcase doing the posting, only
36 N328KF : Mistake. BCA execs had a 747-8I model, and press on-scene thought that was the order. This appears to be 777Fs and 787-9s. For what it's worth, WSJ t
37 mogandoCI : love the plane, but can they update that paint scheme already !
38 Post contains images 747400sp : This is great news! Air Chain still use a lot of 744 on transpacific, so it could be 748I.
39 manfredj : And at what point does the "token amount" become an actual need for the type? You don't just buy a 747 because you get concessions. There are other r
40 KHPN : Thank goodness! I was getting a little worried. Lets hope the orders keep rolling in. Congrats to both parties, and to the 748!
41 redflyer : I don't think we're ever going to see an order for "more than a token amount" for either the 748i or the A380. Both of these planes are battling it o
42 Oroka : There are an awful lot of 744s out there that will be coming to the end of at least their passenger life in the next 5-10 years. These will need to b
43 redflyer : I don't think they will be replaced on a one-to-one basis. That was one assumption Airbus made, at least in their public comments back in the late 90
44 cpd : Let's not count the proverbial chickens before they've hatched. It still has to go through testing, and who knows what might happen, given the B787 a
45 Stabilator : Congrats to Boeing and the Queen! Do we know if CA have any options for more? As a side question, how common is it for manufacturers to find better pe
46 Stitch : Assuming you are not joking, Boeing has already released a Press Release confirming the order as 747-8 Intercontintenals. So the order is legitimate.
47 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : To clarify, I believe the 777Fs and 787s are a reference to HNA Group, parent company of Hong Kong airlines who also made a major announcement today.
48 vincewy : IMO their best livery happens to be the yellow/red curved cheat-lines during the Olympics, have they considered changing the liveries at all? Common
49 gunsontheroof : It's a great livery and I think it's going to look fantastic on the 747-8I. Congrats to both parties on the order--here's to hoping they keep one of
50 Coal : Those 748s should be replacing their ageing fleet of 744s. It's worthy to mention they operate the 744 to some routes in Europe and N. America, with
51 astuteman : There should be room in this world for both the 748i and the A380 - they are different enough in size. Not necessarily relevant in this case perhaps,
52 jetfuel : Congratulations to Boeing The 748 90% loaded will make more money than an 80% loaded A380. If you can't fill the bigger plane its going to be a loss m
53 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : No need to shrug. My comment isn't on how many Air China ordered, per se, but the overall dearth of orders for the 747-8i. If having 30 sold over the
54 Post contains images DocLightning : Maybe we'll get some in SF? Currently we get 744's. I had predicted that LH would be sending us the 748i, but I apparently underestimated the route.[
55 Centre : 1)availability of the 380 ( production delays). 2) Deep discounts by Boeing to break into the Chinese market as well as bringing life to the program
56 UAL777UK : Great news for Boeing and all of us who want to see the 747 in the skies. Boy I would love that Chicago based airline to order some as well!
57 mal787 : Way to go Boeing , hopefully we will see more orders over the next few months,and with a bit of luck some will go to a OW carrier who flies to &fr
58 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : Probably about 14 to be precise
59 Post contains images columba : Great news, I am excited hope they go for the Korean and LH model and add some A380s as well. More 4 haulers are always appreciated. I wonder who will
60 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Is there a hidden meaning here, or am I just being excited? -Dave
61 Post contains images travelavnut : Congrats to Boeing!!!! I am so glad it's for the -8i Hopefully they'll top the order up after EIS. For me as an Airbus fan this is always a double fee
62 OP3000 : This is almost as if the red-colored branding on the 748 launch was meant to target CA, and pretty successfully. I saw in a recent thread on the aviat
63 Post contains images columba : Qantas and British have said they are not interested, South African is all Airbus now so doubtful. The rest are on my list, too Don´t tease us [Edit
64 columba : Did you mean Hong Kong Airlines or Hainan ?
65 warden145 : I know it's almost certainly not going to happen and I'm not trying to reopen that debate, but I sincerely hope that a certain airline with the Union
66 PanAm_DC10 : The order was for Hong Kong Airlines but as they are a subsidiary of HNA Group the parent company, Hainan Airlines, made the order. All aircraft are
67 Burkhard : Good news. Expect to see them to FRA rather early. congrats to Boeing and Air China, once the order is final.
68 tonymctigue : I really hope this order is for the B747-8i as orders for it are badly needed. That will make it 3 airlines who have ordered it now?
69 Stitch : It's been confirmed by multiple sources, including Boeing and Air China, so I'm not sure what more proof is necessary.
70 Post contains images cerecl : Congrats to Boeing and CA. Must admit I thought CA is a prime candidate for A380, which may still find its way into CA fleet (at least one hopes). Now
71 r2rho : Much needed boost for the Intercontinental, and more importantly, a new customer. The 5 from KE and these 5 are likely to be topped up with follow-on
72 Post contains images Superfly : Wonderful news for Boeing and Air China. I'm glad Air China hasn't changed their livery and I hope they never change it. It's beautiful. The SFO route
73 Post contains images na : Very good news. Air China was always a favorite on my list when thinking about the 748I. Like with Korean Air I think there is a fair chance Air China
74 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : The timing is interesting and it is some surprise that this order was not announced sooner. Now the Asian Aerospace 2011 show is underwayin Hong Kong
75 bjorn14 : The timing is indeed interesting just after the China's Premier got a 5 star White House state dinner. Just sayin'.....
76 Post contains images LifelinerOne : True! FlightGlobal reporter Siva Govindasamy was at the press conference and twittered live from the scene: Nice to know the A380 is in the minds of
77 na : I wouldnt wonder if by the end of this decade Air China would operate 20 each of 748Is and A380s!
78 Post contains images LifelinerOne : To announce it now on their own soil has everything to do with showing who's in control. Diplomacy at it's finest. Cheers!
79 bjorn14 : Maybee..but if I were Boeing or Obama I wouldn't care when they annouced....just buy the damn planes. For a $1B+ deal you can announce it the bathroo
80 smeagol : For sure Air China is ordering 747-8i, not cargo.
81 Post contains links and images ebbuk : Quote from the Air China spokesperson on the Boeing website "...."Air China has been operating 747s since the 1980s," said He Li, vice president of Ai
82 Navigator : I think many more airlines will start ordering the Boeing 747-8i pretty soon. I think many will see that the 747-8i is better sized to replace many 74
83 Newark727 : I think it's interesting that of the three airlines that have now signed on for the 747-8i, two are going to be/are A380 users (KE, LH,) and two are g
84 Newark727 : Another amateur/idiot type question: do the B777-300ER and B747-8i share any technical aspects that would reduce the cost of introducing the latter in
85 Post contains images frigatebird : Not on mine, with already 19 77W's on order. Nice surprise! I sincerely hope so. Unlike KE, Air China doesn't have the 748F on order, so with only 5
86 KC135TopBoom : I believe this is the first order of the B-747-8I to an airline that does not have an A-380 order.
87 jfk777 : Air China needs both the A380 and 748.
88 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Sour grapes? How surprising..... Exactly what I was thinking last night lol. Interesting to dissect it, but not sure what it means. Perhaps more than
89 manfredj : Yes, every airline that orders a 748 needs a 380. It just doesn't make any sense to me. The 380 is TOO large for many airlines, it's that simple. Wha
90 N328KF : They both have GE engines, and the GE90 and GEnx are somewhat similar. Other than that, probably not a ton. Also, Air China's 787-8s on order will us
91 atnight : Congrats to Boeing for this order.... I certainly want to see more B748i orders, although I still don't think its really the best plane in the VLA seg
92 pnwtraveler : There are strong rumours of another Asian carrier adding service to YYZ, and specifically timing will be determined by cargo contracts as much as pass
93 MaverickM11 : Why? Where? Very few long haul routes are full on Chinese carriers.
94 CHRISBA777ER : Congrats Boeing - this is a great order, although very much to be expected given the recent Chinese visit to Washington. I'd have thought they would g
95 davs5032 : I can't see it happening, given that they are currently operating the 77W, w/ more on order. However, I guess that didn't stop Air China from orderin
96 seabosdca : I think CX and TK are the strongest candidates on your list. MU, VN, TG, and MH will stick with A380s; LY is too broke to buy 748s, although it could
97 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : I don't know as though I'd agree with your entire post, but this jives with my thinking as well. Why, I'm not sure. Probably because I've heard it en
98 cahmc85 : Excellent news!! Congratulations to Boeing and CA. Maybe the presentation pulled the trigger… I think now the next will be CX or CI, just a guess...
99 KC135TopBoom : Can you back that up with proof? It doesn't make sense to most people, either
100 B2468 : I am happy to see CA ordering the 748-i. I have seen the EK and AF 388 aircraft take off and land at JFK...they are amazing and beautiful aircraft. Th
101 ER757 : Good news indeed for the 747-8 program. It's interesting how the wide-body feeding frenzy of a few years ago has skewed our expectations. An order for
102 rwy04lga :
103 ebbuk : Heartfelt sentiments about the Boeing order. As are yours, I am sure
104 Post contains images glideslope : Ya HOOOOOO!! Here we go. 2011 will be good to The Queen. The perfect plane for the current Global Economy, which is not going to get better any time s
105 Post contains images glideslope : The Global Economy will drive the sales of this frame to very good numbers. Just wait till LH has reliable numbers for this frame. Those plus the pri
106 ORDFan : Congrats to Boeing and Air China! Another 748i operator lives, and yet another reason for me to try and fly on CA one day -- never flown in the upper-
107 atnight : I see you are over confident about this bird... and I respect your enthusiam, but I wouldn't "guarantee" anything, especially when it has to beat the
108 Post contains links cosmofly : JL said A380 lost because of Washington and Obama. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/384dd2f0-4...f=yahoo1&segid=03058#axzz1G41pag66
109 Post contains images glideslope : In 2005 I would agree with you 100%. Over the next 5 years not a chance. Some of the same economic factors that led to ILFC going with the NEO over t
110 glideslope : Well, really has not been a good week so far for Mr. L. Gotta blame someone.
111 Post contains images Stitch : So we can blame Airbus winning the 2010 orders race on Nicolas Sarkozy and Paris, since it was that large A320 order they placed when he visited Beij
112 JTR : Dollars. They have a lot of them, after all. Great to see another 747-8I and VLA order.
113 gemuser : Yes! Like it or not politics plays a big part in many airline orders, those from China in particular, but other countries also. Gemuser
114 Post contains images cpd : The A320 NEO is close to here and now, while the new Boeing small plane is some distance away. The B747-8i is not proven yet, it hasn't flown either
115 Post contains images Stitch : The 747-8 will be in revenue service a good bit sooner than the A320neo. I imagine the 747-8F program has provided some data back to the 747-8 team a
116 PlanesNTrains : So sour grapes. Thanks for clarifying.. -Dave
117 Post contains images cosmofly : There are rumors about senior Chinese officials insist on 4 holers when doing state visits and therefore 748i is a natural choice. I assume they thin
118 Post contains links and images DEVILFISH : B748i first flight - 20 March..... http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...march-for-747-8i-first-flight.html
119 jfk777 : China has a billion people who are getting richer, top 300 million anyways. Those poeple will travel to destinations "approved" ( Europe, Australia,
120 ltbewr : I wonder if to get these sales to Air China and other PRC based airlines that Boeing make a deal with PRC companies for certain components, including
121 Stitch : The 747-8 supply chain has already been set for some time. I am not sure what contributions Chinese companies are providing to the 747-8's supply cha
122 Post contains links kanban : 50% of this current sales activity probably relates to balance of trade issues... where we buy trinkets by the boat load, they buy a few a/p's... sup
123 PanAm1971 : Correct. I would add that airlines looking to avoid unforseen regularatory problems are wise to consider the politics in the markets they serve. Like
124 NZ1 : Due to the amount of off topic posts removed, this thread will now be locked for further discussion. NZ1
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