manfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 20013 times:
When will Continental receive their first frames?
Will JAL repaint their 787's in new colors?
Do I remember correctly that Norwegion will take some of the flight test aircraft? Which test aicraft will never be delivered to an airline?
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26674 posts, RR: 83 Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 19974 times:
Quoting manfredj (Reply 1): Do I remember correctly that Norwegion will take some of the flight test aircraft? Which test aicraft will never be delivered to an airline?
To my knowledge the plan is that ZA004, ZA005 and ZA006 are still destinted for 787 VIP customers.
timf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 954 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 19931 times:
Quoting manfredj (Reply 1): Will JAL repaint their 787's in new colors?
I would be shocked if they weren't repainted before entering service. The only question is whether Boeing will repaint them or JAL will after delivery.
Acey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1334 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 19867 times:
Quoting manfredj (Reply 1): When will Continental receive their first frames?
They won't. When will UA receive their first inherited frames?
ADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1173 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 19113 times:
Quoting Acey559 (Reply 4): They won't. When will UA receive their first inherited frames?
They said the first plane off the South Carolina line with be a UA plane. Another Press Release says "first delivery in first-quarter 2012" for the SC plant.
Acey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1334 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 18833 times:
gspflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 351 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 18602 times:
Quoting ADent (Reply 5):
They said the first plane off the South Carolina line with be a UA plane. Another Press Release says "first delivery in first-quarter 2012" for the SC plant.
Is there any difference between the aircraft built in Seattle and Charleston? For example, all aircraft to X airline is built in Seattle, and Y airline built in Charleston? Or maybe GE-powered birds are assembled in one and RR in another?
I would love to fly on a 787 that rolled off the line in my home state!
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26674 posts, RR: 83 Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 18456 times:
Quoting gspflyer (Reply 8): Is there any difference between the aircraft built in Seattle and Charleston?
There shouldn't be if Boeing wants to keep their Production Certificate.
CHS will start with assembling the 787-8, freeing up capacity at PAE to begin assembly of the 787-9. Eventually, both lines should handle any 787 model offered.
dynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 762 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16956 times:
Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 12): Can it be that this is a spoofing? Why don't we simply call it another delay?
Because it's not another delay. It's the result of the last announced delay (i.e. Q3 this year), flowed out to the whole production schedule. The Z23 schedue has been on the way for quite a while now.
slz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15135 times:
This phenomenon of snowballing delivery delays was widely expected.
So far, a lot of attention has gone to the EIS slip, which was quite spectacular indeed, but it's not like the problems are over once the first 787 is finally delivered to ANA, quite on the contrary even: not only did Boeing plan for a previously unseen short development and test phase, they also sold the 787 with an extremely ambitious production ramp up in mind.
None of all this worked out the way it was planned, hence the EIS slip and now also the post EIS delivery slips... some customers might easily have to wait over a year extra for their 787 on top of all the other delays they already had to sit out.
rw774477 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1028 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 14579 times:
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 81 Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13294 times:
Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 12): Can it be that this is a spoofing? Why don't we simply call it another delay?
Because it's not a new delay. It's the quantification of the delay announced several months back after the ZA002 fire. Boeing never provided an updated schedule beyond "First delivery in Q3 2011" after that. This is the rest of the schedule coming out.
Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 13): So we are looking at another 5-7 month average delivery delay even for early customers?
No, everything got delayed by the ZA002 incident. Boeing moved the first delivery date but never publicly flowed out the rest of the deliveries until now.
ADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1173 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11448 times:
Quoting piaflyer (Reply 11): Has UA chosen their power plants for the 787 yet?
Cheers,
Piaflyer
CO chose GE.
United hasn't chosen, but hasn't ordered a GE engine since UA232 and is going to have to go RR on the A350.
My guess is they will go GE on all 787s - CO management is supposedly in charge now, right?
Drewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 99 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10471 times:
Quoting timf (Reply 3): I would be shocked if they weren't repainted before entering service. The only question is whether Boeing will repaint them or JAL will after delivery.
Boeing's paint hangars are backed up at PAE and soon to be at PDX as well, so I doubt they'll be repainted on Boeing's dime in the Northwest. MZJ or VCV come to mind as alternatives.
BooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 253 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9475 times:
Quoting gspflyer (Reply 8): Is there any difference between the aircraft built in Seattle and Charleston?
Quoting Stitch (Reply 9): There shouldn't be if Boeing wants to keep their Production Certificate.
@ gspflyer: what Stitch is trying to say is that they MUST be identical, otherwise they would have to flight test 2 different models, destroy another pair of aircraft for flight testing, etc. Other a.net members will know FAR more about this subject than I do. Maybe they will throw in their two cents worth.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2341 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9168 times:
Quoting ADent (Reply 5): They said the first plane off the South Carolina line with be a UA plane. Another Press Release says "first delivery in first-quarter 2012" for the SC plant.
I understand that the first plane from CHS will be for UA. Is that the first plane UA will receive or will UA receive some planes from PAE before that? Flightblogger says the first plane out of CHS will be #46. According to this blog, http://nyc787.blogspot.com/, the first UA plane is #45 which is 10 away from the most recent plane to start final assembly at PAE, #35 for Air India. According to the current rate (based on when the next 3 planes are scheduled to start final assembly), #45 would begin final assembly around July/August which is in line with Flightbloggers quote of a July start...
Shany From Germany, joined Jul 2008, 104 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8446 times:
Quoting rw774477 (Reply 17): Will the UA/CO be delivered as -222 or -224's ?
AFAIK the customer number is selected according to the order not the delivery. That being said, they should be 787-824 (neither -222 nor -224 ). Some of Northwest 747-451 were delivered new to United in the past and they remained 747-451.
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4763 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7515 times:
Quoting BooDog (Reply 21): @ gspflyer: what Stitch is trying to say is that they MUST be identical, otherwise they would have to flight test 2 different models, destroy another pair of aircraft for flight testing, etc. Other a.net members will know FAR more about this subject than I do. Maybe they will throw in their two cents worth.
But I'm not sure it was what gspflyer was asking. It looks like he was thinking of the interior configuration, and options in general (including engines).
New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
25 gspflyer: Yes, sorry if my wording sucked. I know they have to be identical, but I was wondering if maybe GE-powered aircraft were made in one and RR in the ot
26 goblin211: Interesting how we're so close yet so far to seeing them in the skies. I think i speak for everybody when i say i want them now not fourth quarter of
27 YULWinterSkies: You still have time before an airline opens a flight for bookings on a 787 that was built in SC. Plenty of time to save money for this...
28 gspflyer: Not so easy for a college student, but a summer job should help.
29 tdscanuck: There is no requirement that they be identical. Once you have basic type certification, you have to certify (but not necessarily test) the changes. A
31 AirNZ: Although I hope you are correct, it's also a tad optimistic considering Boeing has never announced a 'delay' of the 787 until it has already been del
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