gspflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19899 times:
Quoting ADent (Reply 5):
They said the first plane off the South Carolina line with be a UA plane. Another Press Release says "first delivery in first-quarter 2012" for the SC plant.
Is there any difference between the aircraft built in Seattle and Charleston? For example, all aircraft to X airline is built in Seattle, and Y airline built in Charleston? Or maybe GE-powered birds are assembled in one and RR in another?
I would love to fly on a 787 that rolled off the line in my home state!
slz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 16432 times:
This phenomenon of snowballing delivery delays was widely expected.
So far, a lot of attention has gone to the EIS slip, which was quite spectacular indeed, but it's not like the problems are over once the first 787 is finally delivered to ANA, quite on the contrary even: not only did Boeing plan for a previously unseen short development and test phase, they also sold the 787 with an extremely ambitious production ramp up in mind.
None of all this worked out the way it was planned, hence the EIS slip and now also the post EIS delivery slips... some customers might easily have to wait over a year extra for their 787 on top of all the other delays they already had to sit out.
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 14591 times:
Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 12): Can it be that this is a spoofing? Why don't we simply call it another delay?
Because it's not a new delay. It's the quantification of the delay announced several months back after the ZA002 fire. Boeing never provided an updated schedule beyond "First delivery in Q3 2011" after that. This is the rest of the schedule coming out.
Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 13): So we are looking at another 5-7 month average delivery delay even for early customers?
BooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10772 times:
Quoting gspflyer (Reply 8): Is there any difference between the aircraft built in Seattle and Charleston?
Quoting Stitch (Reply 9): There shouldn't be if Boeing wants to keep their Production Certificate.
@ gspflyer: what Stitch is trying to say is that they MUST be identical, otherwise they would have to flight test 2 different models, destroy another pair of aircraft for flight testing, etc. Other a.net members will know FAR more about this subject than I do. Maybe they will throw in their two cents worth.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2745 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10465 times:
Quoting ADent (Reply 5): They said the first plane off the South Carolina line with be a UA plane. Another Press Release says "first delivery in first-quarter 2012" for the SC plant.
I understand that the first plane from CHS will be for UA. Is that the first plane UA will receive or will UA receive some planes from PAE before that? Flightblogger says the first plane out of CHS will be #46. According to this blog, http://nyc787.blogspot.com/, the first UA plane is #45 which is 10 away from the most recent plane to start final assembly at PAE, #35 for Air India. According to the current rate (based on when the next 3 planes are scheduled to start final assembly), #45 would begin final assembly around July/August which is in line with Flightbloggers quote of a July start...
AFAIK the customer number is selected according to the order not the delivery. That being said, they should be 787-824 (neither -222 nor -224 ). Some of Northwest 747-451 were delivered new to United in the past and they remained 747-451.
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8812 times:
Quoting BooDog (Reply 21): @ gspflyer: what Stitch is trying to say is that they MUST be identical, otherwise they would have to flight test 2 different models, destroy another pair of aircraft for flight testing, etc. Other a.net members will know FAR more about this subject than I do. Maybe they will throw in their two cents worth.
But I'm not sure it was what gspflyer was asking. It looks like he was thinking of the interior configuration, and options in general (including engines).
New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
: Yes, sorry if my wording sucked. I know they have to be identical, but I was wondering if maybe GE-powered aircraft were made in one and RR in the ot
: Interesting how we're so close yet so far to seeing them in the skies. I think i speak for everybody when i say i want them now not fourth quarter of
: You still have time before an airline opens a flight for bookings on a 787 that was built in SC. Plenty of time to save money for this...
: Not so easy for a college student, but a summer job should help.
: There is no requirement that they be identical. Once you have basic type certification, you have to certify (but not necessarily test) the changes. A