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Cathay Pacific Order 15 A330s And 10 77Ws  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 24582 times:
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Reuters is reporting that Cathay Pacific have ordered 15 A330-300s and 10 B777-300ER and are in talks for 14 more though they don't specify the models they are still in talks for. A good week for both OEMs.

(Reuters) - Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd (0293.HK), Asia's No.5 carrier by market value, said on Wednesday it had bought 25 aircraft in March and was in talks to buy 14 more.

In an earnings filing to the Hong Kong bourse, the carrier said it had bought 15 Airbus A330-300 (EAD.PA) aircraft and 10 Boeing 777-300ER (BA.N) aircraft in March.


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[EDIT] - The carrier has also confirmed 2 more A350-900 to be taken on lease from ILFC.

[Edited 2011-03-08 21:39:12]


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User currently offlineFlyNWA727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 24499 times:

I so love Cathay Pacific! Great order for both manufacturers, although I'm definitely a bit more happy for the 77W order. I love the CX 77Ws!

[Edited 2011-03-08 21:29:32]


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31437 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 24321 times:
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Looks like they continue to feel a VLA is a bit premature and are continuing with the 77W as their primary long-haul platform.

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Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 24266 times:

What will the 14 more planes be? VLAs?

User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 24245 times:
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Quoting qfa787380 (Reply 3):
What will the 14 more planes be? VLAs?

Yes, without being able to cite a source, I'll say it is my opinion that these 14 frames still being negotiated are for VLA's.



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User currently offlineFlyNWA727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 24229 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):

Looks like they continue to feel a VLA is a bit premature and are continuing with the 77W as their primary long-haul platform.

I wanted to state the same thing, but I didn't want to upset certain people on this forum.  
Quoting qfa787380 (Reply 3):
What will the 14 more planes be? VLAs?

Your question was already answered by the OP's original posting.



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User currently offlineStressedOut From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 24217 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 4):
Yes, without being able to cite a source, I'll say it is my opinion that these 14 frames still being negotiated are for VLA's.

No more hints???


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12598 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 24127 times:

This new order also includes two 359s, bringing the total of that type on order to 32.

My God, they're certainly doing well; no wonder they're talking about expanding HKG; where are they going to put all of these aircraft!

Here's CX's statement:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_...825f89e210VgnVCM1000000ad21c39____

It gives the total of 77Ws on order to 46. With the 24 772s and 773s, this brings the total of the airline's fleet to 70. I know that EK has the largest 777 fleet, by some distance, but this must put CX up towards the top of the list, vying with BA, AF, SQ, UA/CO and NH for the top spot.

CX currently operates 32 A333s, but I think it also has more on order, apart from these 15 ordered today, so I don't know what the total is (the fact that CX doesn't mention a total made me wonder if it had lost count too!)


User currently offlinecosmofly From United States of America, joined May 2009, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 24105 times:

Quoting qfa787380 (Reply 3):
What will the 14 more planes be? VLAs?

If VLA, my bet is that they will be 748i. The 748i is better suited in terms of CX's desire for belly cargo capacity and earlier availability. Otherwise if CX can wait, they will probably push for A389.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31437 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 23947 times:
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Quoting cosmofly (Reply 8):
If VLA, my bet is that they will be 748i. The 748i is better suited in terms of CX's desire for belly cargo capacity and earlier availability. Otherwise if CX can wait, they will probably push for A389.

CX could always do both: start with the 747-8 for missions where a quad offers better payload/range and then when Airbus launches the A380-900 (with an EIS probably in early-to-mid 2020's), they could purchase them for missions to capacity-constrained destinations (like LHR) where they can put two 77Ws worth of people (if not cargo) onto one A389.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6457 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 23864 times:

I wonder if this is the 77W purchase which is set to replace the A343s. Does anyone know what the 77W backlog currently looks like and when these ones will be delivered?


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User currently onlinecx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 23379 times:
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I think the new A333s are to replace the old one which gradually transfer to KA, so the net growth of A333 in CX may not be that much.

User currently offlinerheinwaldner From Switzerland, joined Jan 2008, 2289 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 23066 times:

IMO the 77W is the first twin VLA anyway...

User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 23025 times:

Quoting cosmofly (Reply 8):
If VLA, my bet is that they will be 748i. The 748i is better suited in terms of CX's desire for belly cargo capacity and earlier availability

I hope your right and we do see CX operate the 748i, they have to be at the very top of any airline that will order it next?


User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 22834 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 4):
Yes, without being able to cite a source, I'll say it is my opinion that these 14 frames still being negotiated are for VLA's.

The Oneworld carrier you refered to in another thread  



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4987 posts, RR: 41
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 22706 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
This new order also includes two 359s, bringing the total of that type on order to 32.

My God, they're certainly doing well; no wonder they're talking about expanding HKG; where are they going to put all of these aircraft!


They certainly are. The orders are good news for Airbus and Boeing. Personally I would have liked to see them order the A380 as well, but I still believe that is yet to come (though it might take the A380-900 to persuade into buying.  ).


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 61
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 22687 times:

Fourteen 747-8is for CX. Boeing have been busy... Got to say I'm surprised but pleasantly so as I didn't think they would jump on more four jokers until the 389 came out. Look forward to seeing these birds in LHR. Will look stunning in CX livery.


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 22500 times:

I´m disappointed. Just more of the same old cake. I liked CX, o I did so so far, but they should fianlly order some VLAs. Lets hope the "14 more" are indeed 748Is or A380s. Otherwise it is not understandable.

User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 22385 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 16):
Fourteen 747-8is for CX. Boeing have been busy... Got to say I'm surprised but pleasantly so as I didn't think they would jump on more four jokers until the 389 came out. Look forward to seeing these birds in LHR. Will look stunning in CX livery.

Do you know more than we do ?



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User currently offlineFlyNWA727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 22328 times:

Quoting na (Reply 17):

I´m disappointed. Just more of the same old cake. I liked CX, o I did so so far, but they should fianlly order some VLAs. Lets hope the "14 more" are indeed 748Is or A380s. Otherwise it is not understandable.

Wow, how old are you??? Allow me to apologize on behalf of Cathay Pacific Airways for not ordering a massive amount of multi-million dollar aircraft, simply so they can appease you or anyone else on A.net. It doesn't matter that VLAs might not fit into CX's needs or business plan at all, i'm just so terribly apologetic that they have seemingly upset so many members of A.net because they haven't said a resounding YES to VLAs.

[Edited 2011-03-09 01:20:36]

[Edited 2011-03-09 01:21:31]


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User currently offlineshengzhurou From China, joined May 2010, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 22258 times:

I was expecting the 747-8i for the order, looks like this order is more for replacement of the aging A343 and B744, hopefully the next order will be 747-8i and more 77W


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User currently offlineparapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1664 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 21871 times:

What an "odd" thread.

This order perfectly describes the way the future is shaping up.It has been moving this way a while now - but is gaining in traction. With the exception of the huge middle eastern hub (for which there are good geographical reasons) the move is away from VLA's.The USA dispenced with them years ago.The Europeans use them for just high density flagship roles.

The future is 77W's, 350/9 and 10's and for mid range high density the 333 is at present unsupassed (hence the rumblings about the 787-10). Very sensible order indeed.


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2694 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 21504 times:
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Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 16):
Fourteen 747-8is for CX. Boeing have been busy... Got to say I'm surprised but pleasantly so as I didn't think they would jump on more four jokers until the 389 came out. Look forward to seeing these birds in LHR. Will look stunning in CX livery.

I sincerely hope that you're right.

Quoting shengzhurou (Reply 20):
I was expecting the 747-8i for the order, looks like this order is more for replacement of the aging A343 and B744, hopefully the next order will be 747-8i and more 77W

I wasn't expecting this order at all. It's a very pleasant surprise. If anything, I think this just shows how happy CX is with the 77W, and how good a fit it is with their network. I'm even more surprised by the A333 order, given that they already have A359s on order, although it may have something to do with A333's earlier availability.

Congratulations to Boeing, Airbus and CX.



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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 21419 times:

"14 more" means "14 more 777-300ERs for Cathay Pacific", in my opinion. Clearly, this airplane has been wise choice to replace the flying beer keg with hunchback on top with more efficient Mighty Triple Seven.

Congratulations to Cathay, Airbus and Boeing.



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User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 889 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20757 times:

It could also be read as 14 more A330s.....

25 Boeing767-300 : I would tend to agree with you. One thing is for sure the 77W is a mighty efficient aircraft that CX ore obviously very impressed with. Maybe this or
26 mogandoCI : interesting how CX loves the 333, but still couldn't figure out any routes that require the 332 i could easily imagine a few long-n-thin destinations
27 Post contains links CCA : Quote from Tony Tyler in ATW October 2010. http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...ay-mulls-a380-or-747-8-orders-1022 Well 14 sounds about right for a
28 parapente : This is an airline that has it's eyes (quite correctly) on profit. It also understands that to give it's high yeild pax (al important) you have to hav
29 LPSHobby : yes, and think too about the new big order by placed by Hong Kong airlines!!! Will Hong Kong Airlines be a concern to CX? Thoughts?
30 Post contains images LuftyMatt : Also with the A333 as their primary medium to long haul platform. I don't want to upset certain people on this forum either, but you neglected to men
31 Aircellist : I so much second that!
32 kaitak : Where do you get this? The OP's statement only says "14 more" and as Blue Sky176 says below, there's nothing to suggest VLAs of either manufacturer.
33 CHRISBA777ER : Something PanAm_DC10 said yesterday and again earlier - he's very clued up about these things and tends to know before anyone else.... Someone else h
34 Post contains images frigatebird : Well, he confirmed it would be a VLA order. Would make sense, because I don't think all 747's can be replaced with 77W's, not with the low density co
35 Stitch : Airbus has been matching the 787's price on a number of RFPs over the years. Some orders they win, some orders they don't, but I hope Airbus can make
36 Post contains links kaitak : Interesting if they do (go for the 748i) and given that KE and LH have also gone for the 380, it doesn't rule out a future A380 purchase. Interesting
37 Post contains images seabosdca : So they want an aircraft with more capacity to use on long routes, but the "stick" is an aircraft with less capacity and range? If they want more cap
38 flightsimboy : What is VLA? Pardon my asking this!!
39 Stitch : Very Large Aircraft. Generally an airliner with over 400 seats in a typical three-class (First, Business, Economy) airline configuration. So the 747-
40 washingtonian : Why would an airline order A330s today with the 787 and A350s on the horizon?
41 Stitch : The A333 is still a powerfully efficient aircraft for missions out to around 10,000km and as CX has decided (at least for the moment) on the A350, th
42 gigneil : Two reasons: 1) they can get them before 2099 2) they can afford them 3) there's much debate about the relative effectiveness of the A330, 787, and 3
43 na : The latest version of the A333 makes a good replacement especially for the aging 772 "A"s CX has. SQ even replaced 772ERs with A333s.
44 odwyerpw : good year for B77W..... will be almost 30 of them ordered by end of this month.
45 qfa787380 : I also think 14 is too big a number for 380s at CX. With 748s they have the option of doing a 748I/-F mix. If it was 6-8, I would say the 380 would b
46 Post contains images Hamlet69 : I've heard thru a source that this decision will be taken next month. . . 110% agree with the 77W's, A359's and A333's. The A351 has way too many que
47 Post contains images carlisle : I like this thread as the outcome is that everyone is happy with the outcome. Boeing is happy. Airbus is happy. And the customer (CX) is happy. I hop
48 mdavies06 : I share the same thought. They mentioned this once before as quoted, and usually they do not pre-announce that they are in negotiation to purchase x
49 LPSHobby : I think that VLAs for CX is just a question of when and not if, and as we have 2 options now, wich one will they select, or both. I don´t imagine CX
50 cosmofly : If Boeing sales have switched on its aggressive mode as they have in the tanker war, the A380 will have a hard time in matching the 748i price as all
51 CX Flyboy : Yes there is a plan for 2-class 77Ws to join the fleet. Not this year but I think the original plan was for the end of next year with some 777s in th
52 Lutfi : Yep, for a medium range mission a A330 is competitive to A350 or B787 - especially once you take cost of the aircraft into account. The 14 extra aircr
53 United Airline : I think they need more than 4. Potential routes: HKG-LHR, HKG-FRA, HKG-YVR, HKG-LAX, HKG-SFO, HKG-NRT etc. Maybe HKG-AMS or even HKG-SYD? Perhaps up
54 qfa787380 : why did they order a whole swag of 333/359/77W then. It has been well explained by several posters that CX prefer to operate a high frequency network
55 Post contains images CXB77L : Aging ... The oldest in their fleet is only about 15 years old. They're good for at least another 5 years of service. CX have some early A333s and B7
56 eraugrad02 : I'm betting on this too. I'm hoping for it as well... That would be an awesome order count with an option for 8-10. I can't wait to see the end of th
57 Post contains links CCA : The unknown 14 to be announced soon? http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...sions-to-buy-14-more-aircraft.html The 20th of March would be a good day!
58 Post contains links qfa787380 : again reaffirming that these orders are not expected to be VLAs, but "more of the same" http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...-more-of-the-same-slosa
59 Post contains links flood : Bloomberg quoted Slosar as saying the other 14 are "pretty likely to be more of the same". http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...-more-of-the-same-s
60 jtdieffen : I just find this to be unlikely. It's not impossible, but it makes so little sense to me. I know that the orders have come in batches, but why would
61 qfa787380 : I just watched a 6 min Bloomberg interview with Slosar and he was pretty adamant CX had the most fuel efficient aircraft in it's fleet and on order a
62 flash330 : what about the A330F? Might explain why its a seperate order?
63 qfa787380 : what about the 777F? More 748F? The interview seemed to indicate quite clearly that this was more pax WB twins.
64 jtdieffen : I watched it too. And again, I'm not saying it's impossible. But he seems to tap-dance around it a bit and his body-language suggests that there migh
65 Post contains images lightsaber : Congrats to CX. The announced order is significant. My how we've become 'numb' to large aircraft orders when 25 widebodies, on its own, isn't a signif
66 LAXDESI : Would a fleet of 14 A350-1000 make any sense?
67 Stitch : Shooting a bit from the hip here, but let us hypothesize that CX does see a role for the 747-8 Intercontiental in their fleet alongside the 777-300ER
68 jtdieffen : That's actually a great hypothesis. Who knows if it's true? But still, would very well support both sides of this discussion.
69 LAXDESI : Any idea as to which one is more expensive to build for Boeing ignoring all sunk costs for both programs?
70 cosmofly : I watched the video and Slosar said their first and biz classes (and cargo), which have recovered, are their bread and butter. I wonder if a 4 holer i
71 cloudyapple : We said the same about the B787 about 5 years ago. It is still on the horizon. We'll see about the A350. Even better year for A330s. ... is LN 1. Exa
72 Stitch : I'm going to guess the 777-300ER, as I have heard the 777 is an expensive aircraft to build.
73 kaitak : Let's not forget that the best way to get a really good A380 deal from Airbus is to let it be known that a 747-8 order is imminent!
74 Lutfi : *shrugs* I remain pretty sure a VLA pax aircraft order isn't on the table yet for CX. Let's wait and see. They just don't like the fact that while it
75 CXB77L : I'm aware of that. CX has aircraft older than 777 LN 1 still in service. Besides, CX has operated the A333 and 772 side by side in its fleet for many
76 Lutfi : I don't think the 773 will go with the A359. Why replace a regional 400 seater with a long haul 270-300 seater? WOuld expect the 773 (regional) to sta
77 shengzhurou : also they can operate the A330 sooner than the 787&A350
78 CX Flyboy : Actually they have not exactly co-existed in harmony. CX have tried to sell the 772 fleet and in 2008 planned to store them all. They didn't, because
79 Burkhard : Are they still stored, or ( on their way ) back?
80 Post contains links scbriml : Some clarification on the "additional 14 orders". http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...-more-of-the-same-slosar-says.html and So it looks as though
81 brightcedars : The 14 more could be A350's for all we know. I find 14 B747-8i's to be too many, I would have believed it if it was a smaller number. Time will tell,
82 Post contains images EPA001 : It will probably be zero B748i's. See the post from scbriml just above your post. .
83 AirNZ : How do you possibly see a 777 as a VLA, unless of course you are arbitrarily changing the definition of what a VLA is to suit that theory? Hang on, s
84 AirNZ : Valid enough, but yet very difficult to believe that such 'knowledge' would be 'announced' here on a.net prior to even a hint coming from CX. Whilst
85 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Agreed - 744 is the orginal VLA. 77W, A346 and A3510 are also VLAs. We should have a ULA designation for the A380! Question is - is the 748i a VLA or
86 rheinwaldner : How does that definition look like? Length? Wingspan? Payload? MTOW? Floorspace? Because nobody knows I tried to look roughly at all of these. And th
87 jfk777 : The 777-300ER will be Cathay's main Intercontinental plane for the next 20 years. First they ordered 30, then 6 more and now 10, that's 46. Are they p
88 Post contains images frigatebird : Do you really think BA would do that? Don't be silly. My source is a very well informed and highly respected member on this board. (On your RU list a
89 flightsimboy : Yes I'm aware of capacity on these aircraft, but could not figure out what VLA is lol. Thanks
90 seabosdca : If you think about what they actually do, you may very well be right -- but that's not how we're typically using the terms. When we talk about a "VLA
91 cosmofly : I guess it is high time that Boeing starts to turn the table the other way. 748i has been leveraged by customers to ensure Airbus is honest, and by B
92 kaitak : Perhaps a cynical view, but I do think you're right! I think any airline with commercial acumen (which includes most) will go to great lengths to try
93 jfk777 : For all the great predictions of how innovative the features on the A380 were going to be, I haven't seen anything on the A380 that can't done on a 7
94 qfa787380 : an interesting comment from pprune. I don't think it has much chance of flying but certainly has the potential to create some discussion here: "My gue
95 dfwrevolution : The 777 is expensive to build, but how much of that is due to the fact that the 777 was a very expensive airplane to develop? Estimates put the initi
96 PanAm_DC10 : I did post my opinion and though CX have stated otherwise I'll stand by it and be happy to be proven wrong. That order did appear, it was Skymark and
97 CX Flyboy : The four A340-300s stored were all leased from ILFC and will not be returning to the CX fleet. In fact, one has recently joined SriLankan Airlines. T
98 Newark727 : What about SFO? I know that's sometimes 77W but it looks like it still gets the 744 too, at least according to flightaware. (I want to see a CX 744 th
99 CX Flyboy : Oh yes forgot about SFO. Yes that has switched between 77Ws and 744s as the seasons change however the intention once we get enough 77Ws is for all o
100 jfk777 : Paris, FRA, AMS, Rome, Jo'berg, Vancouver and AKL don't need more then 10 planes between them with teh current flight schedule. Currently CX has 18 7
101 Lutfi : Not quite. Paris 4, FRA 2, AMS 2, Rome 2, Jo'burg 2, Vancouver 2, AKL 1.5. You need 2 aircraft for the Cathay European schedules.
102 NZ107 : With the A343s usually about 12x weekly on AKL-HKG Mar-Nov, I think that figure is more than 1.5..
103 Post contains images EPA001 : I would like to know that too. QF are on records being very, very pleased with the total performance of the A380. I have heard it rumored that they e
104 Aircellist : "Have you seen a 777 lately?"* Especially the long fuselage version? The thing is just huge; bigger, in fact, than anything hauling passengers, up to
105 CX Flyboy : Of course there will be new destinations, but in the order of 1-2 per year for long haul destinations. Don't expect any Emirates-style expansion from
106 shengzhurou : also, CX will use the A330 & 77W to boost extra frequencies on some of the existing routes, like MXP, YYZ, JFK later on this year with the 77W. we
107 jfk777 : I don't expect an Emirates style expansion for CX, if they were going in that direction they would have 20 years ago. But to go from 30 777-300ER to
108 MileHighOffice : I think CX plays it smart. They know how to run a good network and can manage theirs into the future using twins with 330s and 777s. Am curious about
109 gigneil : A 777-300 ER would hit the ground long before arriving at Miami with a sustainable payload. Wouldn't do much for Atlanta, either. Why on earth would
110 MileHighOffice : Could the 77W do DFW-HKG, or would they need the 77L? One would think DFW would be a future route for them or AA. Still a lot of interesting speculati
111 CXB77L : I think what will increase is frequency more so than destinations. So far they have not gone the VLA route, and have preferred high frequency over hi
112 CX Flyboy : I don't have the CX fleet figures to hand at the moment and my internet is too slow to check, but remember those orders are also to replace 20 odd pa
113 jfk777 : I was creating a long list, most of which CX will never fly to. Boston, DFW and Washington could be Cathay destinatons though.
114 huaiwei : So airlines flying the A380 do not have their eyes on profit? What I have observed, is that they will add twins to boost capacity, before adding more
115 Post contains links OP3000 : There is an informal poll on flightglobal now about whether CX will order the A380: http://www.flightglobal.com/polls/list.aspx
116 zeke : It will not, CX is a publically listed company, large capital expenditure items will be reported by company officials as it is market sensitive infor
117 Post contains images EPA001 : I agree with you on that and the whole of your post. Welcome back here! .
118 jfk777 : Until now Cathay has added another flight to their routes, JFK has 4 daily 777-30ER's up from one daily A340-600 5 years ago. LHR is up to 4 flights
119 OP3000 : It is a fair point. JFK and LHR could be satisfied well on the frequency side with a couple of daily A380s. Though considering they only have 3-4 rou
120 Zkpilot : The main factor for the 77W is those giant air blowers. Those things are massively expensive. I would guess that they would actually be more expensiv
121 CXB77L : Just because every other airline uses the A380 to HKG doesn't mean CX has to start ordering them, especially if it doesn't fit their business model.
122 calvin99 : Not exactly as CX have 6 Boeing 747-400ERF in service for a couple years now and with the ex-SQ aircraft with PW engine, adding the 747-400ER shouldn
123 Stitch : A news report I read confirms CXB77L's statement that CX looked at it, but decided the extra cost of the airframe did not balance out the number of t
124 CCA : What's happened to the 14 A/C order? Seems to have gone very quiet.
125 mogandoCI : Among those 3, DFW has the highest chance since it becomes hub-to-hub, but it poses a unique problem for CX. Unlike QF's SYD-DFW, CX's hypothetical H
126 zeke : Not sure, I was under the impression that it was to be closed at Asian Aerospace 2011 a couple of weeks ago.
127 CXA330300 : I could see some additional Old World/Oceania long haul routes on the 77Ws, as well as NA (but still a bit of a long shot since the market will be wel
128 Post contains images kaitak : Give them a chance; it's only been a few weeks since the last order! You don't spend $3b (roughly the price of 14 77Ws) so soon after a previous orde
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