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Medical Diversion QF744 VH-OJU In WAW Now  
User currently offlineLOT767SP-LPA From Poland, joined May 2002, 156 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8256 times:

15 minutes ago QF29 747-400 VH-OJU landed in WAW due to medical reason. Was on route MEL-HKG-LHR.

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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7869 times:
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Quoting LOT767SP-LPA (Thread starter):

I love it when people don't get the difference of Emergency and Medical Emergency... If a passenger gets sick on board, it is an emergency for the passenger and he needs to be taken to the hospital asap. So we do a quick landing to get him there asap. But for us pilots it is not an emergency in which we declare emergency and call Mayday... We inform ATC that we have a sick passenger on board and need to land asap.

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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1607 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7746 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 3):
We inform ATC that we have a sick passenger on board and need to land asap.

wilco737

So generally speaking, how much "buffer-time" do you have in the flightplan concerning max. allowed working hours? I can imagine a diversion like this easily adds 2 hours to the total flight time. Does this often mean extra crew needs to be flown in? Or can you rotate enough with the 3rd pilot to stay legal?

Sorry for the off-topic question  



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7708 times:
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Quoting travelavnut (Reply 4):
So generally speaking, how much "buffer-time" do you have in the flightplan concerning max. allowed working hours? I can imagine a diversion like this easily adds 2 hours to the total flight time. Does this often mean extra crew needs to be flown in? Or can you rotate enough with the 3rd pilot to stay legal?

Usually you have quite some extra time, so these 2 hours fit in. Especially with 3 pilots, you can fly up to 21 hours... So 2 hours is not a problem. If it takes a lot longer, then of course you need to get a new crew or get 12 hours of sleep and then continue to fly. That depends on different factors.

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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7690 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 4):

So generally speaking, how much "buffer-time" do you have in the flightplan concerning max. allowed working hours? I can imagine a diversion like this easily adds 2 hours to the total flight time. Does this often mean extra crew needs to be flown in? Or can you rotate enough with the 3rd pilot to stay legal?

Sorry for the off-topic question

I know QF has 20hours for its crew. HKG-LHR would normally be about 15 duty hours... so a diversion to WAW would add about 30mins diversion, an hour on the ground, and probably another 15 mins extra flight time from there. So the crew would be looking at about 17 hours duty time.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4905 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7633 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 3):

Thanks for sharing these details with A.Netter's  
Probably should inform the media before they jump on the band wagon and report "another" QF incident titled QANTAS JUMBO DECLARES AN EMERGENCY!

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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7611 times:
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 7):
Probably should inform the media before they jump on the band wagon and report "another" QF incident titled QANTAS JUMBO DECLARES AN EMERGENCY!

I am sure the media will publish it like this and then in the further text they report about the medical situation and this is it. Qantas back in bad media... And it was for sure not their fault. (unless the food was bad )


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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1607 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7530 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 5):
Usually you have quite some extra time, so these 2 hours fit in. Especially with 3 pilots, you can fly up to 21 hours... So 2 hours is not a problem. If it takes a lot longer, then of course you need to get a new crew or get 12 hours of sleep and then continue to fly. That depends on different factors.

Thanks Wilco, of course I do have a completly off-topic follow up question; 

So how is this 21 hours divided under the 3 pilots?


Something like;

Pilot A: First 8 hours
Pilot B: First 4 hours flying, than rest
Pilot C: First 4 hours rest, than flying

etc..??



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7510 times:
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Quoting travelavnut (Reply 9):
So how is this 21 hours divided under the 3 pilots?

Well, the company is not allowed to plan us with 21 hours. I think 2 pilots is somewhere around 18 hours max. So on a normal flight you usually divide the flight into 3 parts where each pilot can have a break and get some sleep.
If you want to go up to 21 hours, then the commander has to decide it after questioning the crew and write a report to the officials why he did it. So only in case of unforeseen things the 21 hours come into affect. LIke here in a diversion.

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User currently offlineditzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7145 times:

Don't most QF Asia-Europe flights have FOUR pilots?

User currently offline22886 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6391 times:

Yes QF Asia-Europe flights always have 4 pilots.

User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4738 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 6):
And it was for sure not their fault. (unless the food was bad )

Even then wouldn't it be the fault of the meal caterer?



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6591 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4586 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
Probably should inform the media before they jump on the band wagon and report...

Then, better not write it on here, the forum is roamed by google (et al) robots.



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2849 times:
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Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 11):
Even then wouldn't it be the fault of the meal caterer?

Good point. And it better be not owned be QF... 

wilco737
  



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