I love it when people don't get the difference of Emergency and Medical Emergency... If a passenger gets sick on board, it is an emergency for the passenger and he needs to be taken to the hospital asap. So we do a quick landing to get him there asap. But for us pilots it is not an emergency in which we declare emergency and call Mayday... We inform ATC that we have a sick passenger on board and need to land asap.
travelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1381 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7274 times:
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 3): We inform ATC that we have a sick passenger on board and need to land asap.
wilco737
So generally speaking, how much "buffer-time" do you have in the flightplan concerning max. allowed working hours? I can imagine a diversion like this easily adds 2 hours to the total flight time. Does this often mean extra crew needs to be flown in? Or can you rotate enough with the 3rd pilot to stay legal?
wilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8479 posts, RR: 78 Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7236 times:
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Quoting travelavnut (Reply 4): So generally speaking, how much "buffer-time" do you have in the flightplan concerning max. allowed working hours? I can imagine a diversion like this easily adds 2 hours to the total flight time. Does this often mean extra crew needs to be flown in? Or can you rotate enough with the 3rd pilot to stay legal?
Usually you have quite some extra time, so these 2 hours fit in. Especially with 3 pilots, you can fly up to 21 hours... So 2 hours is not a problem. If it takes a lot longer, then of course you need to get a new crew or get 12 hours of sleep and then continue to fly. That depends on different factors.
Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4739 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7218 times:
Quoting travelavnut (Reply 4):
So generally speaking, how much "buffer-time" do you have in the flightplan concerning max. allowed working hours? I can imagine a diversion like this easily adds 2 hours to the total flight time. Does this often mean extra crew needs to be flown in? Or can you rotate enough with the 3rd pilot to stay legal?
Sorry for the off-topic question
I know QF has 20hours for its crew. HKG-LHR would normally be about 15 duty hours... so a diversion to WAW would add about 30mins diversion, an hour on the ground, and probably another 15 mins extra flight time from there. So the crew would be looking at about 17 hours duty time.
Thanks for sharing these details with A.Netter's
Probably should inform the media before they jump on the band wagon and report "another" QF incident titled QANTAS JUMBO DECLARES AN EMERGENCY!
wilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8479 posts, RR: 78 Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7139 times:
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 7): Probably should inform the media before they jump on the band wagon and report "another" QF incident titled QANTAS JUMBO DECLARES AN EMERGENCY!
I am sure the media will publish it like this and then in the further text they report about the medical situation and this is it. Qantas back in bad media... And it was for sure not their fault. (unless the food was bad )
travelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1381 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7058 times:
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 5): Usually you have quite some extra time, so these 2 hours fit in. Especially with 3 pilots, you can fly up to 21 hours... So 2 hours is not a problem. If it takes a lot longer, then of course you need to get a new crew or get 12 hours of sleep and then continue to fly. That depends on different factors.
Thanks Wilco, of course I do have a completly off-topic follow up question;
So how is this 21 hours divided under the 3 pilots?
Something like;
Pilot A: First 8 hours
Pilot B: First 4 hours flying, than rest
Pilot C: First 4 hours rest, than flying
wilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8479 posts, RR: 78 Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7038 times:
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Quoting travelavnut (Reply 9): So how is this 21 hours divided under the 3 pilots?
Well, the company is not allowed to plan us with 21 hours. I think 2 pilots is somewhere around 18 hours max. So on a normal flight you usually divide the flight into 3 parts where each pilot can have a break and get some sleep.
If you want to go up to 21 hours, then the commander has to decide it after questioning the crew and write a report to the officials why he did it. So only in case of unforeseen things the 21 hours come into affect. LIke here in a diversion.
FRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2316 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4266 times:
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 6): And it was for sure not their fault. (unless the food was bad )
Even then wouldn't it be the fault of the meal caterer?
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