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What Routes Did UA 727's Do In LHR  
User currently offlinerscaife1682 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8182 times:

Looking through some old pics of UA at LHR and I found this one. Anyone know what routes this a/c did?


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Thanks for the info guys

RYAN

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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5981 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8151 times:

Quoting rscaife1682 (Thread starter):
Anyone know what routes this a/c did?

LHR-AMS/BRU/HAM/TXL/FRA/MUC and CDG-GVA/ZRH/MUC/ATH



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User currently offlinerscaife1682 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8150 times:

WOW do you how many 727's they had stationed over in LHR/CDG and did UA have crew base in LHR like they do today?

Thanks


User currently offlinerscaife1682 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8125 times:

On a side note this picture really shows UA presence at LHR. I fly UA out of LHR about 10-12 times a year and I have never seen this many on the ground at one time.


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From what I can see UA has added another LHR-IAD which brings it back to 4 and they use to have 3 to ORD now 2...of course they still have LAX and SFO but I think they dropped DEN.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8108 times:

Quoting rscaife1682 (Reply 2):
did UA have crew base in LHR like they do today?

Yes, lots of Ex Pan Am were/are based at LHR but also many new recruits as well, maybe not so many lately but you get my drift.


User currently offlinerscaife1682 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8089 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 4):
Yes, lots of Ex Pan Am were/are based at LHR but also many new recruits as well, maybe not so many lately but you get my drift.

I get you drift  

Do you work at UA LHR?

I have started noticing over the last 5 years more and more British UA employees.

RYAN


User currently offlinepsa1011 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8072 times:
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I flew a UA 727 on MXP-FCO in early 1993. Was this a continuation of an LHR or CDG route?

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9661 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8019 times:

Quoting rscaife1682 (Reply 5):

I have started noticing over the last 5 years more and more British UA employees.

I think the cabin crew only fly LHR - USA routes. They don't do anything else. Most cabin crew on UA's flights to LHR are London based. Pilots of course are US based.

Fortunately the scheduling is rather flexible, so quite a few actually live in the United States. If you can make it work, being based in LHR yet living in the US means only long haul flying which must be a nice perk without the required seniority.

[Edited 2011-03-09 08:40:58]


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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5981 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8004 times:

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 6):
I flew a UA 727 on MXP-FCO in early 1993. Was this a continuation of an LHR or CDG route?

hmmmm...I don't remember a 727 ever flying that route. When UA started FCO/MXP it was a 747 that routed IAD-FCO-MXP-IAD.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11712 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7915 times:

Quoting rscaife1682 (Reply 3):
On a side note this picture really shows UA presence at LHR. I fly UA out of LHR about 10-12 times a year and I have never seen this many on the ground at one time.

That picture sort of represents the zenith of United's longhaul presence at Heathrow. United's presence has steadily declined since then and now settled at about the same level of capacity year-over-year for the last several years. At its heigh around 2001, United had - I believe - about 18 daily Heathrow departures, all on widebodies, of which all but maybe 1 or 2 (Amsterdam and Brussels) were longhaul to either the U.S. or Delhi, India. Today, I believe they have 11 daily departures, all widebody and all to the U.S., with the balance of the slots having either been sold or leased out in the last decade.


User currently offlinehnl-jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7864 times:

I frequently flew FRA/LHR on the UA 722's.


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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5981 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7842 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 9):
At its heigh around 2001, United had - I believe - about 18 daily Heathrow departures, all on widebodies, of which all but maybe 1 or 2 (Amsterdam and Brussels) were longhaul to either the U.S. or Delhi, India. Today, I believe they have 11 daily departures, all widebody and all to the U.S., with the balance of the slots having either been sold or leased out in the last decade.
UA purchased 20 slot pairs from PA and still owns 18 of them (2 of the slot pairs were sold to BA during BK.) UA has pretty much always been around 11 or 12 with maybe 13 daily flights at its peak to the US with the balance being intra-European 727 (the occasional 767 tag on to BRU/AMS) and for a couple of years the single daily flight to DEL. The rest of the slots that UA leases out are not timed properly for US departures...

As an edit: UA reached its peak in terms of number of flights at LHR just before the alliance with LH and leasing 4 of the slot pairs to them as part of the agreement...mid 90s or so..

[Edited 2011-03-09 09:12:06]


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9661 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7820 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 9):
Today, I believe they have 11 daily departures, all widebody and all to the U.S., with the balance of the slots having either been sold or leased out in the last decade.

Last year UA operated LHR-BRU on a 777. It was cheaper to fly the 777 to BRU with 30% load factor than to pay the high fees to park at LHR overnight.

CO took some of UA's slots which is why they operate so many 757s to LHR. The slots were available and the 757s had flat seats, so the decision was made to put them to LHR at 4x daily service. I'm not sure if LH still has any UA slots, but I think that they did sell a few to Emirates.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7739 times:

Quoting rscaife1682 (Reply 5):
Do you work at UA LHR?

I have started noticing over the last 5 years more and more British UA employees.

No I dont work for UA, I do know a number of people at UA as they are my airline of choice across the pond and you get to know a lot of the crews, especially the LHR based ones. There are a lot of British FA's based in London but saying that there is a very wide diversity of nationalities based at London.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
Last year UA operated LHR-BRU on a 777. It was cheaper to fly the 777 to BRU with 30% load factor than to pay the high fees to park at LHR overnight.

I think as has always been the case with BRU and AMS they were never "overnighters" but just daily turns that UA did to maintain slots. Taking a 777 to AMS with about 30 people on board was great fun.


Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
CO took some of UA's slots which is why they operate so many 757s to LHR. The slots were available and the 757s had flat seats, so the decision was made to put them to LHR at 4x daily service

Is that so, I did not know this I thought CO purchased them from a third party.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11712 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7697 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 11):
UA has pretty much always been around 11 or 12 with maybe 13 daily flights at its peak to the US

I don't believe so. I don't have the timetable in front of me - but can check it - but I believe in the summer 2001 schedule United had more daily departures to the U.S. - including around 3x ORD, 3x IAD, 3x JFK, 2x SFO, 2x LAX, 1x BOS, 1x EWR.


User currently offlineramprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1539 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7626 times:

Those Euro based 727-200's had 24 first class seats. I guess UA makes more money leasing out their slots then flying LHR-USA.

User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5981 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7609 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 14):
don't believe so. I don't have the timetable in front of me - but can check it - but I believe in the summer 2001 schedule United had more daily departures to the U.S.

Heres January 2001

BOS *1
ORD *3
LAX *2
EWR *1
JFK *3
IAD *2
SFO *2

Feel free to find and post the summer schedule but it should not be all that different.



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User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7573 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7422 times:

Airport Coordination Ltd control and monitor the use of slots at LHR. According to their web site at:

http://www.acl-uk.org/reportsStatist...aspx?id=98&subjectId=33&childId=35

UA operated 196 LHR weekly slots (98 arrivals and 98 departures) in the 2003 Summer Season and 154 in the 2003-04 Winter Season.

The weekly LHR figures for Summer 2009 and Winter 2009-10 were 154 and 126.

In Summer 2010 and Winter 2010-11 the LHR slot numbers operated by UA had declined further to 140 and 112.

The numbers above exclude slots owned by UA but leased to and operated by other airlines.


User currently onlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7056 times:

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 6):
I flew a UA 727 on MXP-FCO in early 1993.

10/92 timetable shows UA 970 IAD-MXP 767, MXP-FCO 727, and flight 971 the reverse; no other UA at MXP or FCO. Then the 4/93 just shows a 767 IAD-FCO-MXP-IAD.


User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7035 times:

Are many of UAs LHR based crew US nationals? Or are most born in England?

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11712 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6989 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 11):
UA has pretty much always been around 11 or 12 with maybe 13 daily flights at its peak to the US

Yep - just looked at my schedule dated 9 July 2001 - United did, indeed, operate 17 daily departures from Heathrow, including 16 to the U.S., substantially more than the 10 daily departures (all to the U.S., excluding Continental) that it will operate this summer.

For summer 2001:

1x Boston
3x Chicago O'Hare
1x Delhi
2x Los Angeles
3x New York JFK
1x Newark
3x San Francisco
3x Washington Dulles


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5295 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6906 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 20):

Indeed. UA has significantly contracted at LHR since the asset purchase. While it was once among the 5 largest carriers at LHR, it has been eclipsed by others.



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User currently offlinetpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6722 times:

I wonder/hope the CO gains in recents years in the UK, help see UA rebuild at LHR.

While tags and over seas hub are things of the past I wonder if the CO 757 would make any of these viable again, since it could be based in the US and flow back and forth.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25459 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 22):
While tags and overseas hub are things of the past I wonder if the CO 757 would make any of these viable again, since it could be based in the US and flow back and forth.

It's still much cheaper and more efficient to use your joint venture and alliance partners.


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6654 times:

Even with the cuts, still a pretty impressive LHR operation. Plus with the merger, they will now have a major presence in London to most major American markets (except perhaps Miami and Boston).

25 thegoldenargosy : How long did UA fly LHR-DEL? Was it always a 763?
26 commavia : A season - I believe it launched April 2001 and ended with 9/11. It was part of United's Round-the-World service (flights UA1/2) that operated IAD-LH
27 thegoldenargosy : I thought that a least one leg of LHR-DEL-HKG was on the 763.
28 gspflyer : UA still has a nice sized operation into LHR. I looked up the flights into LHR for a date this summer (July 12, 2011-which is a Tuesday). LAX....1X...
29 mattnrsa : Are you sure about that? I remember 2 flights, one departing around 1230 and the other around 1900 (I believe the flight numbers were 930 and 954), b
30 UA772IAD : That sounds right, though I don't remember what the flight number was. UA930 departed between 1230-1400. UA954 Departed at 1900 or 1930. The third co
31 UAL777UK : Yes it started off as a 763, I flew it quite a few times. The 763 that flew in from LHR would continue onto HKG and basically sit on the tarmac all d
32 UAL777UK : Sorry, early morning response, I did not read your comment right. Yes in 2001, the second time it was a 744. Sorry, my bad. Time for a shower!!!
33 rscaife1682 : Well United is definitely going to be a strong operation in LHR again after the merger. Does CO have a crew base in LHR? If not will they be able to d
34 UAL777UK : I dont think they do, I could be wrong though. Not sure if in time the London base might increase in numbers offering US based employees the chance t
35 commavia : 1x Boston - 1x 763 3x Chicago O'Hare - 1x 744, 2x 777 1x Delhi - 1x 744 2x Los Angeles - 2x 777 3x New York JFK - 1x 777, 2x 763 1x Newark - 1x 777 3
36 Navigator : I doubt this...
37 timz : As I recall the endpoint was LAX, not IAD. Maybe so-- just not in 2001.
38 rscaife1682 : Yeah it will be great to see the 747 back I sure they will try and make it the new paint job as well. Was going to do 747 to ORD and then connect to
39 Algoz66 : The 747 on the first Chicago is now being looked at in depth, due to the current spike in oil prices. This flight, due to its early departure will att
40 United787 : UA doesn't need to "rebuild" LHR, it is very well served from all of UA's hubs (except DEN and CLE). I get the impression that a lot of people see UA
41 flyjoe : What was the aircraft utilization like during the 727 ops? I can't imagine it was much with an inbound flight to LHR for the westbound TA flights and
42 Viscount724 : No, they were only permitted to operate tag-on sectors that were continuations of transatlantic flights with the same flight number. They had no traf
43 VV701 : But is the discontinuance of UA short haul flights in Europe in 1994 really relevant? For example since 2003, long after the withdrawal of their 727,
44 srbmod : At this point, the discussion has veered well off-topic, and as a result is being locked. Any posts that appear after this locking message will be del
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