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Five Letter/Number Registrations?  
User currently offlinestaralliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

A DL 738 visting PHF caught my attention on Facebook. PHF's Facebook page posted photos of N3766 visiting the airport. But wait, isn't it short one number/letter?

How common is it to not have a six figure reg.?


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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

Much more common than you think.

Six figures is the MAXIMUM for aircraft registration numbers.

They can be any of the following:

N1
N12
N123
N1234
N12345
N1A
N12A
N123A
N1234A
N1AB
N12AB
N123AB



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu.../NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=3766

There are several hundred US registered aircraft with 2, 3, 4, 5 figure/ letter registrations if you include the N.

Such as N2 & N3 - Cessna Citations, and N1 - the FAA G-IV.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...y/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=111

You also see numbers like N11R

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...y/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=11R

Or N11AA

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu.../NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=11AA


User currently offlineviajero From Mexico, joined Aug 2008, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3979 times:
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It varies by country. Are you referring specifically to the U.S. or all registrations in general? In the U.S., the maximum is 6, however in Mexico it's 5. Panama uses 9 letters/digits, Russia uses 7 letters/digits, etc.

[Edited 2011-03-11 13:41:56]

User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2439 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 2):
Such as N2 & N3 - Cessna Citations

The requirement for "identification number" is found in 14 CFR 47.15(b):
"A U.S. identification number may not exceed five symbols in addition to the prefix letter "N". These symbols may be all numbers (N10000), one to four numbers and one suffix letter (N 1000A), or one to three numbers and two suffix letters (N 100AB). The letters "I" and "O" may not be used. The first zero in a number must always be preceded by at least one of the numbers 1 through 9."

How cool to be able to use the callsign "Citation 2", or "Gulfstream 1":

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User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3913 times:
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Or N1KE for Nike's jet. One of my fav registrations.


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

A couple of low numbers here,

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Now has a Citation N4M but no photo of it yet.



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User currently offlinegspflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

Quoting JBo (Reply 1):
Much more common than you think.

Six figures is the MAXIMUM for aircraft registration numbers.

They can be any of the following:

N1
N12
N123
N1234
N12345
N1A
N12A
N123A
N1234A
N1AB
N12AB
N123AB

All of these are legal aircraft regs in the US, however most American carriers use the N123AB format. CO and XE have quite a few that are N12345, and AA has a couple N1234A. Most aircraft that use other formats are non-airline. I know that NASCAR drivers have their car number and initials in the reg. Examples are; Jeff Gordon (N24JG), and Dale Earnhardt Jr. (N8JR)

Going back to the original post, how many DL aircraft have the N1234 format? I know most DL regs are N123DL or N123DN.

I hope this isn't too far off-topic, but are the suffixes (ex: DL, DN, AN, AA, UA) somehow reserved by the airlines? Or could one purchase a private plane and use the reg. N999DL (assuming it isn't already in use)?


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3796 times:

Quoting gspflyer (Reply 7):
Going back to the original post, how many DL aircraft have the N1234 format? I know most DL regs are N123DL or N123DN.

I hope this isn't too far off-topic, but are the suffixes (ex: DL, DN, AN, AA, UA) somehow reserved by the airlines? Or could one purchase a private plane and use the reg. N999DL (assuming it isn't already in use)?

Airlines, like any other individual or organization, can reserve N-numbers or a bank of N-numbers from the FAA for a fee. These numbers are held for a certain amount of time and can be released for registration if the hold is not renewed.

But if a particular tail number is not reserved that follows a particular airline's registration pattern, then there is no stopping another individual from registering an aircraft with that tail number. This is particularly why you see some interruptions in an airline's tail numbering because a particular registration in that block may have already been in use.



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User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3763 times:

Quoting gspflyer (Reply 7):
Going back to the original post, how many DL aircraft have the N1234 format? I know most DL regs are N123DL or N123DN.

...also remember the Northwest integration into Delta. There are many variations of registrations brought about from previous mergers into NWA. For shiz and giggles, does anyone know how many variations that NWA had?



AC.WA.CP.DL.RW.CO.WG.WJ.WN.KI.FL.SK.ACL.UA.US.F9
User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1674 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3736 times:
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Delta had an unusual registration on one of its 727s: N831L. It was a 727-2Q8, and I flew on it in 1991. It didn't fit in with their other 727 registrations.

Bob Bradley
Colonial Heights, VA



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User currently onlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1955 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3714 times:

Quoting gspflyer (Reply 7):
Going back to the original post, how many DL aircraft have the N1234 format? I know most DL regs are N123DL or N123DN.

There's a few dozen DL aircraft spread among the 738, 752, and 763 fleets that have 4 numbers. Most have a letter on the end, but some don't. There's even a couple planes that have 5 numbers.

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 9):
For shiz and giggles, does anyone know how many variations that NWA had?

In recent years all the variation was limited to the DC-93 fleet. And it included this after the "N":

-2 numbers, 1 letter
-3 numbers, 1 letter
-3 numbers, 2 letters
-4 numbers
-4 numbers, 1 letter

The rest of the fleet was the common 3 numbers, 2 letters, and it made it relatively simple to mentally catalog.


User currently offlinegspflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 9):
...also remember the Northwest integration into Delta. There are many variations of registrations brought about from previous mergers into NWA.

Yes, there are quite a few birds with DL that have -NW regs and I believe a few -TW on 757's inherited from TWA, but as far as I know, the 738's were delivered new to DL.


User currently offlineWESTERN737800 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

Quoting L1011 (Reply 10):
Delta had an unusual registration on one of its 727s: N831L. It was a 727-2Q8, and I flew on it in 1991. It didn't fit in with their other 727 registrations.

N831L was inherited during DL's merger with Western. DL usually keeps the reg on US registered aircraft they acquire used like N900PC, N394DL, the ex TW 757s, the ex ATA 757s, ect.



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User currently offlineandz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3473 times:
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There was an old thread about this years ago...

One And Two Digit Regs (by BR715-A1-30 May 16 2004 in Civil Aviation)

My question was the last post and never answered so let me ask it again:

Some years ago my wife's uncle bought a King Air C90 that was N18MB. This was re-registered to a South African number, would the old N number be returned to the "pot" and re-assigned?

This aircraft has seen some world travelling, it was bought in Wichita and flown to South Africa to become ZS-LTZ...


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User currently offlineKGRB From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 716 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Don't forget about my favorite short reg., N9DC!
Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 9):
For shiz and giggles, does anyone know how many variations that NWA had?

I'm probably missing some of them, but here are some of the ones that come to mind:
N___NW: newer Northwest originals
N___US: older Northwest originals
N___NC: originally North Central
N___RC: originally Republic
N___RW: originally AirWest/Hughes AirWest
N____U: unknown (Are these Southern?)
N____E: former Eastern DC-9s & 727s, picked up after their shutdown
N___NB: A319s



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User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Quoting andz (Reply 14):
would the old N number be returned to the "pot" and re-assigned?

Yes. As a matter of fact recently the FAA enacted a new requirement to "re-Register" a tail number regularly (annually?) or the number is canceled. They are trying to get a handle on which numbers are active and which are not.

Did you here about John and Martha King's arrest at KSBA a few months back? A mistake but was a result of an N number from a long ago stolen aircraft identical to King's N number.


User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2328 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

Quoting gspflyer (Reply 7):
I hope this isn't too far off-topic, but are the suffixes (ex: DL, DN, AN, AA, UA) somehow reserved by the airlines? Or could one purchase a private plane and use the reg. N999DL (assuming it isn't already in use)?

Almost all JetBlue aircraft registrations end with JB. The few exections include A320s which were transferred to the German carrier Blue Wings. When they shut down last year, B6 got the aircraft back, but their original JB registrations had been taken, so they were registered with the same 3-digit number, but different letters at the end of the registration.



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Quoting gspflyer (Reply 7):
I hope this isn't too far off-topic, but are the suffixes (ex: DL, DN, AN, AA, UA) somehow reserved by the airlines?

They have to be specifically requested by reg number and paid for to be held; there is no blanket holding of numbers for airlines, ie: holding reg numbers ending in DL for Delta only.

Quoting gspflyer (Reply 7):
Or could one purchase a private plane and use the reg. N999DL (assuming it isn't already in use)?

Absolutely. Except for some very low numbers, all are available to anyone on a first come first serve basis.

You can search N-number availability here
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNav_Inquiry.aspx

Using your N999DL question
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...&Starttxt=1&Endingtxt=999&PageNo=1
we see that many numbers ending in DL are still available although N999DL is already taken.



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