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Japan Disaster Will Effect Supply Chain?  
User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8540 times:

As Japan and the world comes to grips with the devastation in Japan, I've been hearing on the news that some key manufacturing has been either devastated or else will be isolated as a result of damage to infrastructure.

Perhaps my concern is premature, but news sources today are reporting that manufacturing of parts provided to Toyota and other car companies may be severely effected.

My understanding is that three Japanese companies build a section of fuselage, the wing box, and the wings of the 787. I wonder if these manufacturers have been directly effected, and how other Japanese manufacturers who supply THEM have been effected?

If key tooling equipment has been destroyed or damaged, how long would it take to rebuild it?

As such, it seems to me that the supply chain to primarily Boeing (considering the level of outsourcing re: the 787) but also Airbus and others may possibly be disrupted for some time to come, delaying the production line of both manufacturers' most recent models.

I suppose time will tell.

[Edited 2011-03-11 17:12:19]

[Edited 2011-03-11 17:16:01]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31417 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8532 times:
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The "Heavies" have their 787 plants in Nagoya and that is where they load the parts on the Dreamlifters. NGO appears to be operating normally, best I can tell.

User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8484 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
The "Heavies" have their 787 plants in Nagoya and that is where they load the parts on the Dreamlifters. NGO appears to be operating normally, best I can tell.

True, but the question is, are suppliers to the heavies located in the impacted region? My guess would be not significant numbers.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8289 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8125 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 2):
True, but the question is, are suppliers to the heavies located in the impacted region? My guess would be not significant numbers.

Most of the significant suppliers to KHI and MHI, like Toray, also locate their aerospace manufacture divisions in the Nagoya region. There may be some small suppliers elsewhere in the country, but NGO is generally the capital of the Japanese aerospace industry.



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User currently offlineUpperDeck From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2010, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6968 times:

I can't believe we're even talking about this, there's still thousands missing.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31417 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6663 times:
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Quoting UpperDeck (Reply 4):
I can't believe we're even talking about this, there's still thousands missing.

We're an aviation forum, so showing interest in how this could affect aviation seems appropriate from a forum standpoint. We have threads about the status of NRT, HND and SDJ, for example, and how their closures affected commercial and cargo aviation.

There is the Non-Aviation forum to discuss the disaster in general if you are so interested in doing so.


User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6663 times:
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Quoting UpperDeck (Reply 4):
I can't believe we're even talking about this, there's still thousands missing.

And there are over a billion people on this planet that live hand to mouth every day, yet you keep posting in these boards. The OP brings forth a valid question with no intended insensitivity, better to channel your energy/passion about the Japan tragedy into something more productive for the Japanese people.


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6488 times:

Quoting UpperDeck (Reply 4):
I can't believe we're even talking about this, there's still thousands missing.

Yet you found time to pry yourself from the horror on your TV screen and surf this site? Don't worry. In about a week, the media will have lost interest in Japan, and you can return to pretending it all didn't happen.



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User currently offlineba1978 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

flightglobal has an an article on those suppliers not affected

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...rs-not-affected-by-earthquake.html



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User currently offlinepilotntrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6023 times:

Quoting UpperDeck (Reply 4):

I agree. Who really gives a crap if the "supply chain" will be effected? Hell a lot of Japan may not survive at all if those reactors go up in flames.



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3355 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5982 times:

Quoting UpperDeck (Reply 4):
Quoting pilotntrng (Reply 9):

This is an aviation forum, with people talking about aviation. It is a perfectly legitimate question to ask. There is an entire thread in Non-Av full of condolences as worries. Asking this question does not imply the OP isn't worried about the human impact.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineTigerguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5890 times:

As to the topic at hand...

The article so nicely provided said there don't appear to be any "major disruptions". Of course, any rapidly evolving situation must be constantly looked after, but this appears to be good news for Boeing, as far as the manufacturing process is concerned. After all, it doesn't take much for a minor snag to become a manufacturing fiasco.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5751 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 2):
True, but the question is, are suppliers to the heavies located in the impacted region?

Japan doesn't do long distance rail and truck transport of manufacturing components like the US or Europe. The terrain simply will not support that type transportation network.

What surface transport infrastructure that exists is devoted to short distance delivery and transport of people.

Unless you have been there you cannot understand how little flat land there is in the country. How constricted the road and rail neworks are and how very difficult it is to build new roads/ rail lines.

My 12km commute for a Navy housing area (Nagai Heights) to the Yokosuka Naval base in 1983 was past 94 stop lights and through six road tunnels. 45 minutes at 4 am was the best time I ever recorded. 1 hr 15 min was a good commute.


User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

Quoting SSTsomeday (Thread starter):
Perhaps my concern is premature

Yes I think it is premature. I think thoughts like this could wait until search for survivors is ended and damage to factories and transportation links has been seen to its full extent. I do not think my first thoughts come to this since this is a disaster that potentially can affect the whole world economy. Maybe key workers did not even survive?? The least we need to worry about in that case is supply chains in the area of the disaster.

Hope Japan will recover



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User currently offlineUpperDeck From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2010, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5240 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 10):

It is a perfectly legitimate question to ask, I just don't think it's a legitimate question to ask now. I don't believe anyone in Japan is too worried about how this catastrophe will affect the 787 supply chain right now. So let's ask the right questions at the right time.

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 7):

You're right, after the silly business of the earthquake is out of the way in a week or so we can get back to the really important stuff. God I hope all the tooling equipment is OK.


User currently offlineba1978 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4941 times:

Quoting UpperDeck (Reply 14):
I don't believe anyone in Japan is too worried about how this catastrophe will affect the 787 supply chain right now.

I'm afraid I disagree with you there. Of course there will be many things to consider at this moment in time for the Japanese government, but, I believe how this disaster will effect the Japanese economy will be a prime concern for them also. They will be keen to have anything that can continue to run as normal where it can to do so, be that manufacturing of 787 parts and the supply chains that contribute to it or electronic devices that are exported worldwide.

We've already had the Tokyo Stock Exchange say that trading will continue as usual on Monday. As they say life must go on. That doesn't mean to say what has happened is of any less concern.

It's going to cost a lot of money to sort out and that money has to come from somewhere.



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3355 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

Quoting UpperDeck (Reply 14):
I just don't think it's a legitimate question to ask now.

Respectfully, I disagree. I certainly didn't read the OP as saying that the only thing (or even the most important thing) right now is making sure there aren't any problems to the 787 supply line.

I don't think it was inappropriate to ask when NRT and HND would reopen, even though there were obviously still many, many issues.

As said above, economic concerns will be a prime focus moving forward, as well.

Fundamentally, though, it was just an honest (and prudent) question, with no disrespect toward the gravity of the situation at all.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4720 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 10):
This is an aviation forum, with people talking about aviation. It is a perfectly legitimate question to ask. There is an entire thread in Non-Av full of condolences as worries. Asking this question does not imply the OP isn't worried about the human impact.

  

Quoting UpperDeck (Reply 14):
I don't believe anyone in Japan is too worried about how this catastrophe will affect the 787 supply chain right now. So let's ask the right questions at the right time.
Quoting UpperDeck (Reply 14):
You're right, after the silly business of the earthquake is out of the way in a week or so we can get back to the really important stuff. God I hope all the tooling equipment is OK.

I think you're getting too emotional about this....as pointed out, neither the thread opener, nor anyone else, showed any insensitivity to the tragedy......when such disasters occur, most certaily the local people would also be worrying about how their future will be impacted by the disaster........as this is an aviation forum, it's absolutely okay for us to talk about this....doesn't in any way show disrespect to what has happened.....and, you can be pretty sure that the folks in Boeing would have already gone deeply thru' this process in the last couple of days too....


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8976 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

Quoting UpperDeck (Reply 4):

I can't believe we're even talking about this, there's still thousands missing.
Quoting Navigator (Reply 13):
Yes I think it is premature. I think thoughts like this could wait until search for survivors is ended and damage to factories and transportation links has been seen to its full extent. I do not think my first thoughts come to this since this is a disaster that potentially can affect the whole world economy. Maybe key workers did not even survive?? The least we need to worry about in that case is supply chains in the area of the disaster.

Hope Japan will recover

Pity isn't going to help Japan recover. A functioning supply chain, however, will help tremendously!



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