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Rumor: Tam To Increase GIG-LHR To 6x Weekly  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4318 times:
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TAM is expected to shortly announce the increase on the Rio de Janeiro-London route, nowadays 3x weekly, to 6x weekly. This will be possible as TAM is about to receive 2 more A330-200 during the year (the first will be used to increase GIG-FRA and GIG-JFK to daily and 5x weekly respectively).
Together with that, and during the next months, TAM shall add 10 new domestic flights to Rio de Janeiro in order to increase the hub capacity they are building in Rio de Janeiro. A GIG-SCL or GIG-LIM is also very likely, even using the A332 that will remain on ground during the day.

During the month of July, TAM will run an additional seasonal GRU-MCO daily service

From July/05 to August 01

JJ9398 GRU 0100 MCO 0905 A332
JJ9399 MCO 1230 GRU 2230 A332

After August 1st, this plane will be used on the additional GIG-LHR flights.

AFAIK, GIG-LHR is currently getting LF around 85% but it seems the yields are better than expected if they confirm that the offer will double (they could made GIG-JFK daily with the plane and increase LHR to 5x weekly)

This come as another increase for GIG this year with some already announced: LH (5 weekly), AZ (4 weekly), JJ (more 3 weekly FRA/JFK). Two more long haul could be expected during this year (according to sources) as the city keep booming due to the oil & gas industry (Houston press says Rio can even overtake Houston as the World's Oil Capital and some already consider Rio as the number 1 global off-shore market) while improving security keep bringing more tourists and businessmans to the city driving property prices up, office prices skyrocket (now 4th in the world) also due to limited supply (which also bring opportunities), and hotel revenue to continue on top among all Latin America (lets see with more 10,000 rooms coming soon) .

Sounds like the oil rush.... GIG international operations are now around 40% bigger for passengers than two years ago, but cargo shows 90% increase. YOY shows growth around 20%. And it seems 2011 will not be different.

BA also flies LHR-GIG 3x weekly with LHR-GIG daylight sector.


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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2896 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4232 times:
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Wow Lipe!
Congratulations to the Cariocas! I flew home from GIG yesterday on TAM back to NY. The flight was full in economy, I was in C and it was quite empty.. Everyone sat alone. Perhaps Friday, day flights are not like Sunday!
What will GIG do to expand? Opening up the rest of T2 won't be enough I fear.

What about TAM's on board product? It's good, i cant complain but I think they can do better. Flying to Brazil, it should be among the best. Like real flat seats and amazing Brazilian food with class and the unique Brazilian flair.

Like Emerates but more sexy and fun.

I love Rio. I'm glad I bought an new apartment there 2 years ago. If what you say is true, it was a great inestment!

You can now really start to see the money at work in Rio and in SP. What do you think TAM will look like in 10 years? How big? Any VLA's? A shock order of 748i's? They may need some VLA for the tremendous in-flux for the World Cup and Olympics. Dilma must be out shopping for some very expensive dresses!

Could we see a surge from the new UA given it's hubs: HOUSTON, NY, LAX!

What do you predict?



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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4030 times:

This has also circulated in the brazilian press today.

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
BA also flies LHR-GIG 3x weekly with LHR-GIG daylight sector.

It's beyond my why BA doesn't increase the frequencies and improve the schedule on this service.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3914 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Reply 1):
Congratulations to the Cariocas! I flew home from GIG yesterday on TAM back to NY. The flight was full in economy, I was in C and it was quite empty.. Everyone sat alone. Perhaps Friday, day flights are not like Sunday!

If i knew, i'm still in Rio and will return only next week.
The fact is that flights Brazil-US are now more packed on economy with budget travellers, but with some good loads on J and F. See my reply about TAM product to understand the market and why your flight was not so busy on premium classes

Quoting VC10er (Reply 1):
What will GIG do to expand? Opening up the rest of T2 won't be enough I fear.

Working is under way to open totally the TPS2 but the way thing are going, will start soon the push for the 3rd terminal.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 1):
What about TAM's on board product? It's good, i cant complain but I think they can do better. Flying to Brazil, it should be among the best. Like real flat seats and amazing Brazilian food with class and the unique Brazilian flair.

I agree it could be better and i believe the reason JJ do not invest more is the majority of Brazilians that do not speak foreign languages very well (a lot of us) rather fly JJ. Given the current situation of the Brazilian Economy, JJ is very busy and their average fares in general are above competition.
The bad side of this is that TAM follows the standards of Brazilians and their trips. They fly abroad to Carnaval but just after the Carnaval the demand is HUGE to return and very light to go abroad. All flights US-Brazil were packed from Y to F since last weekend for this weekend.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 1):
I love Rio. I'm glad I bought an new apartment there 2 years ago. If what you say is true, it was a great inestment!

You probably made your best investment ever. I believe your property is up no less than 40% and if you decide to sell, it is like liquid assets and will become cash very quickly. Funny how foreigners are buying properties in Rio or even Brazilians returning from abroad. Demand is huge !!!!

Quoting VC10er (Reply 1):
You can now really start to see the money at work in Rio and in SP. What do you think TAM will look like in 10 years? How big? Any VLA's? A shock order of 748i's? They may need some VLA for the tremendous in-flux for the World Cup and Olympics. Dilma must be out shopping for some very expensive dresses!

TAM is doing the right things trying to increase offer where they already have fixed costs allowing the margin to increase quarter after quarter. With this potential increase, 1/3 of JJ long haul fleet will be focusing the Rio de Janeiro market.
I don't expect VLA jets (other than 77W) but rather more small and mid-size jets as TAM will always try to deal with dual hub operations or they will see a competitor coming. GRU still faces restrictions and will be like that for the next 3 years, so i believe more and more JJ will deploy the 77W's in Sao Paulo, using the A332 fleet more in Rio de Janeiro.
The WC (specially) will mean a big challenge for JJ as i do not see any kind of preparation (unless they have something being prepared) and the demand will require a lot of domestic moves.
The Olympics is easy as 99% of the activities will happen in Rio with the exception of some soccer games in Belo Horizonte, Brasilia and Sao Paulo. To go to Rio can be easy with charters for the teams, and operators being able to use VLA jets (LH , AF and BA for sure can fly to GIG with A380).
GIG will be the first Brazilian Airport ready for the A380 (probably because one or two operators required that)

Quoting VC10er (Reply 1):
Could we see a surge from the new UA given it's hubs: HOUSTON, NY, LAX!

I see demand for a 3x weekly LAX-GIG flight. It's growing the ties that transport dozens every day between Rio and Los Angeles. Films, investment funds, tourism... many will be surprised if this flight become true.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 2):
This has also circulated in the brazilian press today.

Good! Expect that the HOTRAN become available shortly during next week.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 2):
It's beyond my why BA doesn't increase the frequencies and improve the schedule on this service.

Same here... the market grow more than 80% since JJ enter the route and loads remain strong. Some UK corps established offices in the city and many more are looking currently to do the same. Next weeks will see a major UK trade mission with 30+ corps visiting Rio, Petrobras, OGX and others. Two UK corps are reported to be fighting to establish R&D centers on the Federal University of Rio Techno Area looking for Oil & Gas tech.
I just come back from a long walk and visit to some places in Rio and i have to say: never saw so many tourists in the city !



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2896 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3770 times:
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Lipe,
What happened to the TAM's interiors project with the London agency? If memory serves the agency name is "Priiestman Goode". Also, I presume most Brazilians hate the TAM livery as much as I do! I think it is super critical for Europe and North America to become aware of TAM to feel fine about flying them (i believe the world trusted Varig because it was so famous with a 75 year history) but when they see a TAM airplane that looks like a charter company it will hurt them. Unless Lantam creates something new!



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User currently offlinePVG From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 725 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3738 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 1):
Congratulations to the Cariocas! I flew home from GIG yesterday on TAM back to NY. The flight was full in economy, I was in C and it was quite empty.. Everyone sat alone. Perhaps Friday, day flights are not like Sunday!
What will GIG do to expand? Opening up the rest of T2 won't be enough I fear.

I was on the flight JFK/GIG yesterday and the plane was full. I was forced to fly economy as there were no seats up-front at any price. I also tried to book 2 or 3 days later and all clesses were full. So, there is certainly demand for the premium cabins on the JFK/GIG leg of the flight.


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2896 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3481 times:
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Quoting PVG (Reply 5):

Wow! And 3 days ago F & C were less that half full and the flight started in Rio then stopped in Sao Paulo and picked up more pax. But my experience for 18 years is that Sunday and Monday travel to and from the NY area has always been packed and difficult to find seats on any airline. Sometimes I had to fly paid F to get a seat or on VASP which was the B carrier after VARIG. I used to really enjoy the VARIG flights but I always preferred United out of JFK before 9/11 before they pulled out of NYC! 10 hours in economy must have been very uncomfortable if packed full!



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3386 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 6):
And 3 days ago F & C were less that half full and the flight started in Rio then stopped in Sao Paulo and picked up more pax.

So, wait a minute. You took that 6AM GIG-GRU-JFK flight? Are you aware that JJ flies the GIG-GRU leg with a 332 just for aircraft repositioning? It's no wonder that you found C empty. Please, disconsider any one-stop flight from GIG through GRU as being a clue as how flights at GIG are performing.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3307 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Reply 4):
What happened to the TAM's interiors project with the London agency? If memory serves the agency name is "Priiestman Goode". Also, I presume most Brazilians hate the TAM livery as much as I do! I think it is super critical for Europe and North America to become aware of TAM to feel fine about flying them (i believe the world trusted Varig because it was so famous with a 75 year history) but when they see a TAM airplane that looks like a charter company it will hurt them. Unless Lantam creates something new!

It seems will happen only in 2012 but i don't expect a name change. TAM is really not the best brand...

Quoting PVG (Reply 5):
I was on the flight JFK/GIG yesterday and the plane was full. I was forced to fly economy as there were no seats up-front at any price. I also tried to book 2 or 3 days later and all clesses were full. So, there is certainly demand for the premium cabins on the JFK/GIG leg of the flight

No doubt there's demand. It is just a matter of the Carnaval generates limited demand in one direction during a short period of time. It was like that the weekend that Carnaval begins for JFK-GIG (not the case for GIG-JFK) and the opposite happen the weekend after Carnaval, as you experienced.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 7):
So, wait a minute. You took that 6AM GIG-GRU-JFK flight?

It seems and he's so talking about GRU-JFK performance. Rio is just another feed of this flight.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3213 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
TAM is about to receive 2 more A330-200 during the year (the first will be used to increase GIG-FRA and GIG-JFK to daily and 5x weekly respectively).


...and LH is code-sharing the JJ GIG-FRA service since February 20, 2011.

Regards



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User currently offlinePVG From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 725 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 6):
10 hours in economy must have been very uncomfortable if packed full

TORTURE!


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2896 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3141 times:
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Quoting C010T3 (Reply 7):

Yes I was on that 6am flight JJ8082 ALL THE WAY TO JFK. From GIG to GRU I was alone in C. We got off, changed planes to another A330 (the Football livery one) to JFK. On the second leg C was less than half full to NYC. The only C pax from Rio to NYC was me!



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2896 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3137 times:
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Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):

Lipe,
TAM is a bad name but I agree they are stuck with it. The time to have changed it would have been back when VARIG and TAM merger fell through. At that time they were virtually unknown outside of Brazil. So now is the time for "design" to step in and make up for a silly sounding name (in English anyway) but so is TAP and their is fairly high awareness that TAP is the flag airline of Portugal. ( when I was a kid they had a song on their TV ads "get TAP HAPPY"

This LCC looking livery of TAM will drag down their image for sure. It's SO NOT BRAZILIAN!



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User currently offlinePVG From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 725 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 12):
Lipe,
TAM is a bad name but I agree they are stuck with it. The time to have changed it would have been back when VARIG and TAM merger fell through. At that time they were virtually unknown outside of Brazil. So now is the time for "design" to step in and make up for a silly sounding name (in English anyway) but so is TAP and their is fairly high awareness that TAP is the flag airline of Portugal. ( when I was a kid they had a song on their TV ads "get TAP HAPPY"

This LCC looking livery of TAM will drag down their image for sure. It's SO NOT BRAZILIAN!

However, if you compare their on-board service to their American competition (specifically AA), they are a much better option. Their name is fine, they just need to get the message right.


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Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Quoting PVG (Reply 13):
However, if you compare their on-board service to their American competition (specifically AA), they are a much better option. Their name is fine, they just need to get the message right.

I too think that TAM is not that bad. And the current corporate design is certainly not the best out there, but much, much better than the old one.


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2896 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2850 times:
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Quoting PVG (Reply 13):
Quoting robffm2 (Reply 14):

I agree with you both 100% (except for UA's new C & F products which are better than AA in my opinion)
But TAM is bad at branding and design. I think someone color blind chose all the colors and did the livery. I have flown them long haul, it's really their only issue! Olive Green table cloths, with red glasses on top and red and tan and greeny brown trim and gold? I would love the job to redecorate TAM! It's a nice airline, deserves a better image. Their lounges in Rio and Sao Paulo are very cool!



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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4014 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
I see demand for a 3x weekly LAX-GIG flight. It's growing the ties that transport dozens every day between Rio and Los Angeles. Films, investment funds, tourism... many will be surprised if this flight become true.

I think you are getting carried away here. Every time TAM ups 1 longhaul frequency a week in Rio it seems to be big news, and now the rumors are big news too   .

The only reason why GRU has LAX service is because KE has wanted to serve Brazil. More GRU-LAX on a different carrier seems unlikely and GIG-LAX would be really surprising. The only long-haul carrier that is GIG and is not in GRU is US, but it is not really by choice.

A complete list of airlines in GRU but not in GIG: AC, AM, CA, EK, KE, KL, LX, LY, QR, SA, SQ, TK. KLM made noises about AMS-GIG but I have not seen an official announcement. If I have to bet my chips on any airline, I think EK is tempted to increase service to Brazil. In the US they chose to duplicate IAH and LAX instead of adding new destinations. They are probably looking at GRU and finding that the market is big enough for a second frequency that business travelers would welcome. GRU's location and their schedule in Dubai fits well with a 10 am arrival turning straight to a ~ 12 noon departure. They may be weighing that against adding a frequency to Rio, where the oil market is. But one of Rio's greatest weakenesses against GRU is Asia traffic. OTOH, EK service to Rio may be highly stimulative, bringing tourists from the Middle East and Russia that would not consider it today.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2536 times:
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It is expected that a Hotran will be requested shortly by TAM.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 16):
I think you are getting carried away here. Every time TAM ups 1 longhaul frequency a week in Rio it seems to be big news, and now the rumors are big news too .

There's anything wrong with the thread ? If it's the case, please use the suggest deletion and other moderators (not me) will look into the thread. There's a rumor that something will happen, it's said "rumor" on the thread as no source is informed.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 16):
The only reason why GRU has LAX service is because KE has wanted to serve Brazil. More GRU-LAX on a different carrier seems unlikely and GIG-LAX would be really surprising. The only long-haul carrier that is GIG and is not in GRU is US, but it is not really by choice.

I go with economic ties, not airline desire. KE wants to serve all continents, as you mentioned. Rio de Janeiro and California have a different situation, with good ties that many here fail to identify.
US can be at GRU at this time, but they don't have AFAIK good slots and seems that they rather stay with good ones in Rio than a bad one in GRU. QR and others decide to go to GRU.
Sao Paulo is the main city in Brazil and it is a fact. No need to prove capacity or anything, anytime. To Rio, one weekly service need to come with full description how the airline is crazy enough to fly there.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 16):
A complete list of airlines in GRU but not in GIG: AC, AM, CA, EK, KE, KL, LX, LY, QR, SA, SQ, TK. KLM made noises about AMS-GIG but I have not seen an official announcement

Use to be more in 2005: DL, LH, CM, AZ, TA, and no non-stops to SCL, LIM, IAH, JFK, LHR as well as to go to the United States non-stop, all that the city had was a daily flight to MIA and to Europe daily services to just CDG and LIS. Rio handle 140,000/month and now grow to 340,000.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 16):
But one of Rio's greatest weakenesses against GRU is Asia traffic. OTOH, EK service to Rio may be highly stimulative, bringing tourists from the Middle East and Russia that would not consider it today.

Really ? Rio already have a market of 50,000+ passengers a year to Asia, without a non-stop. Just from MNL the traffic going to Rio is more than 15,000 / year, 80% business.
What a non-stop would create ? I see Russians in Rio more than ever thanks to a single weekly flight.

It's not a thread to be transformed into a Rio x Sao Paulo.... i don't know why you are getting all this points. Rio is improving and it is a fact. Carnaval just bring more than 400,000 foreigners to Rio during a few days while the airport handle only 340,000 per month.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

LAXGIG is a decent sized market - it is over 50 PDEW. But nonetheless the market is 40% the size of LAXGRU and the average fares, like LAXGRU, are very ugly.

LAXGRU actually could in theory fill more non-stop capacity than it has, but the yields suck, just like LAXGIG.



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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4014 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 17):
To Rio, one weekly service need to come with full description how the airline is crazy enough to fly there.

No it doesn't!

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 17):
Really ? Rio already have a market of 50,000+ passengers a year to Asia, without a non-stop

GRU-NRT by itself is larger than 50,000 passengers a year. No nonstop in that market...

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 17):
It's not a thread to be transformed into a Rio x Sao Paulo.... i don't know why you are getting all this points.

With favorable wind the flying time from GRU to GIG is 28 minutes. It is just natural that if the topic is long-haul air service from Rio, part of the discussion is what kind of similar service is in Sao Paulo. There is no GRU-LAX beyond KE's GRU-LAX-ICN. That points to GIG-LAX being really far-fetched.



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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Quoting incitatus (Reply 19):
GRU-NRT by itself is larger than 50,000 passengers a year. No nonstop in that market...

Simply because it's not viable with any of the modern day aircraft due to the long distance involved.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2279 times:
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Quoting incitatus (Reply 19):
GRU-NRT by itself is larger than 50,000 passengers a year. No nonstop in that market...

That supports a lot of other flights and its considered very low yield. Why no airline try to fly it one stop ?


Quoting incitatus (Reply 19):
With favorable wind the flying time from GRU to GIG is 28 minutes. It is just natural that if the topic is long-haul air service from Rio, part of the discussion is what kind of similar service is in Sao Paulo. There is no GRU-LAX beyond KE's GRU-LAX-ICN. That points to GIG-LAX being really far-fetched

GRU-LAX was operated by 3 airlines during the last 6 years. Two left the market. GIG-LAX is not far-fetched but it is against concepts created here.

Since 2006 i'm here reading that GIG-LHR is no sense, GIG-FRA is not a good city pair, GIG-ATL would be a complete mistake, GIG-JFK is a deep low yield market, GIG-FCO cannot perform well. GIG-IAH was a small market in Brazil than others, and guess what... they are still in place.
Nothing different when i hear that GIG-LAX is far-fetched. Again, everything in Rio need explanation and deep justification.

And seems that GIG-LHR will become 9x weekly.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

Quoting incitatus (Reply 16):
The only long-haul carrier that is GIG and is not in GRU is US, but it is not really by choice.


I think it's valid to mention Transaero on DME-GIG service 1x weekly with 744 which is operating since January 03, 2011.

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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4014 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
GIG-LAX is not far-fetched but it is against concepts created here.

GIG-LAX is against the concepts airlines use to evaluate routes.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
Since 2006 i'm here reading that GIG-LHR is no sense, GIG-FRA is not a good city pair, GIG-ATL would be a complete mistake, GIG-JFK is a deep low yield market, GIG-FCO cannot perform well. GIG-IAH was a small market in Brazil than others, and guess what... they are still in place.

In 2006 the prospects of Rio were very different from now.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
Again, everything in Rio need explanation and deep justification.

GIG-LAX needs explanation and deep justification because there are many other prospective routes with much greater chance of viability and launch. GIG-DXB, which I mentioned, is one of them.



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

Quoting incitatus (Reply 23):
GIG-LAX needs explanation and deep justification because there are many other prospective routes with much greater chance of viability and launch. GIG-DXB, which I mentioned, is one of them.

I agree that GIGDXB has potential, but it's a local market of only ~5,000 annual passengers, smaller than YEGDXB, while GIGLAX is over 40,0000 passengers a year. But the average DXBGIG one-way fae is extraordinarily high, while the average GIGLAX fare sucks.



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25 incitatus : If EK looks at serving Rio, the local market will not be one of the factors EK will count on. Besides some Asian traffic, EK will be looking to marke
26 LipeGIG : As i said before, wrong view about Rio. Emirates links markets because of VFR or/and Business and/or Leisure. What do they see in MAN to fly 3x daily
27 incitatus : A mechanic sign listed his specialty: "We especialize in domestic and imports". Sounds like your description of EK. The same could be said of LAX. Be
28 mah4546 : I have to disagree LAXGRU has non-stop service and the average fare is only 5$ higher each way. Los Angeles-Brazil yields suck.
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Rumor: TAM To Become E-Jet Operator posted Sun Jul 18 2010 16:06:57 by LipeGIG
Pluna To Increase Frequencies To GIG posted Wed May 27 2009 18:48:33 by AF086
TAM To Increase Flights To MVD To 2x Daily posted Wed May 13 2009 20:26:29 by LipeGIG