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Who Is The Next Likely Airline To Order A330s?  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3613 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 9032 times:

With HA, VS, CX and IB ordering A330s, who do you think will likely be the next A330 customer?




PS: Ten years ago, who would have thought that the A330, would be one of the hottest planes on the market.   

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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 8932 times:

Without trying to be funny, there aren't many serious airlines left without A330s and very few of those seem likely candidates.

In Asia, all the major Chinese / Taiwan / Hong Kong / Korean / Indian airlines fly A330s, as do Malaysia, Singapore, Thai, Philippines, Sri Lankan, Air Asia X, Vietnam, Garuda...

That leaves the two big Japanese airlines (and neither seems remotely likely to buy the A330), PIA, Bangladesh Biman ... and who else am I forgetting? Not many good prospects there.

Qantas / JetStar and now Virgin Blue fly them but it's hard to see ANZ following suit.

In Africa, all of the North African countries except Morocco have them and RAM seem unlikely to buy them. SAA have started taking them but Kenya Airways and Ethiopian seem unlikely.

In the Middle East most airlines have them - EK, EY, QR, GF, SV, Middle East, Oman Air, Yemenia. Kuwait don't. Are they a possibility? IranAir would love to get some but won't be allowed to.

In South America Aerolineas Argentinas has often been linked to the A330 and that must be a good chance for Airbus. LAN seem unlikely. TAM and Avianca already have them. Mexico doesn't look promising.

In North America, AC, US, HA and DL are on board. But can anyone see UA or AA buying A330s? UA were a possibility some years ago but that moment has gone.

And most European customers have already been signed up.

Those that haven't include BA, Olympic, LOT, Malev, CSA... I can't see BA going that way (though I'd love to). Olympic might.

My feeling is that Iberia was the last 'obvious' major airline.

I'm sure there are still a few surprises out there and many smaller airlines will continue to take two or three but most orders now are likely to be top-ups and/or replacements for older A330s. TG, MH and CX, for example, all received very early-build A330s and have all re-ordered them in recent years.

But there are very few major airlines left who will introduce the A330.

(I look forward to being proved wrong!)


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13110 posts, RR: 100
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 8903 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 1):
UA were a possibility some years ago but that moment has gone.

Agreed. They're skipping to the A350.   

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
(I look forward to being proved wrong!)

There will probably be one or two passenger airliners.    Plus some unknown number of freight haulers.  

The reality is, we're entering the time frame when non-A330 operators will consider EIS just a little later and go with the A350.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 8757 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
PIA, Bangladesh Biman ... and who else am I forgetting? Not many good prospects there.

They might take 2nd hand birds later

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 2):
Agreed. They're skipping to the A350.   

Maybe as an interim if Airbus pulls a 787.......



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User currently offlineburkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 8359 times:

The next order I expect this week yet another follow up of A333 by LH.

User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 8082 times:

If the PIA Management team along with the Pakistan Govt had the vision to dig deep in their pockets and think 'outside the box', then they would be ideally suited to integrating both A 332s and A 333s into their fleet.

These birds would fully replace all of PK's 1989 model A 310-300s on high density domestic, European, Far East and Middle East routes.

The A 332s can be dedicated for PAK-Europe + PAK-Far East Asia services seating 240 pax in a luxurious 2 class configuration where as the A 333 can seat 290 pax in a 2 class configuration and be used on the high density ISB-BHX, ISB-CPH/OSL, PAK-Saudia, KHI-LHE, KHI-ISB and PAK-DXB routes.


User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 7464 times:

Sorry for being lazy to search:

Did KL order the A333, if so how many?

//Mike  



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1627 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7292 times:

DL is happy with the A330--especially the -200's and their long legs. Might see an add on order if the price was right.


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7145 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
In the Middle East

LY is also missing and it is not likely they will introduce the type.

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
In South America Aerolineas Argentinas has often been linked to the A330 and that must be a good chance for Airbus. LAN seem unlikely. TAM and Avianca already have them. Mexico doesn't look promising.

Mexico should be dealt with in the North America category, not South America, but you are correct. MX had 2 -200s but now that MX is no longer flying, we won't see A330s with Mexican airlines. AM will satisfy its widebody needs with more second-hand 767ERs (both -200s and -300s), new or second hand 777-200ERs and ultimately the 787 family.

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Those that haven't include BA, Olympic, LOT, Malev, CSA... I can't see BA going that way (though I'd love to). Olympic might.

If (and that is a very big if) OK decides to get widebodies again, I would imagine the A330 would be the leading candidate.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 7):
DL is happy with the A330--especially the -200's and their long legs. Might see an add on order if the price was right.

That would be so nice. Does DL still have A330s parked in the desert or are they all flying now?



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User currently offlinekrisyyz From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7038 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
In North America, AC, US, HA and DL are on board. B

As was discussed in another thread, AC 's 787s are delayed once again. I think we may see additional A330s for AC, they like their A333s and acquiring more may send a strong signal to Boeing. Personally I could see a small order for a handful of A333Es as a stop gap measure for the 787-9.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4736 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6997 times:
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Quoting solnabo (Reply 6):
Did KL order the A333, if so how many?

Last November KLM has ordered 3 A330-300's after they have been very happy with the performance of the A330-200's.  .


User currently offlineplanecrazy20 From Kuwait, joined Jun 2008, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6738 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Kuwait don't. Are they a possibility?

they just might be, no one knows whats gonna happen next with KU since the privatization will be completed this month.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6651 times:

Quoting columba (Reply 3):

Maybe as an interim if Airbus pulls a 787.......

what good would a 330 do for UA? they plan on replacing 747s with 350s....a 330 cant do that.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 7):
DL is happy with the A330--especially the -200's and their long legs.

Is that why the mostly fly to Europe?   

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 7):
Might see an add on order if the price was right.

Not likely at all. DL is happy with its 333 fleet, if they order any new WBs it will be 777s. (and if fuel keep going north you may see a 77W order.....47s are not cheap with super high fuel.) Plus DL has alot of slack in the 333 fleet as is.



yep.
User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13110 posts, RR: 100
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6458 times:
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Quoting columba (Reply 3):
Maybe as an interim if Airbus pulls a 787.......

You have a point. I could see a few airlines taking A330 on short leases to be replaced by A350 at a later date.
It would be wise for an airline to take a ten year (no longer) A330 lease to hold them until a ~~2021 A359/A3510 delivery.   Since the manufacturing cost should be very low (amortized equipment/tooling/engineering), Airbus would make a profit on both airframes. And have some handy freighter conversion hulls.  

Lightsaber



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User currently offlinekrisyyz From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Malev

MA doesn't even have enough money at the moment to paint their jets, not to mention their long and solid tradition of operating Boeing planes. AFAIK, Malev did approach Airbus about 5 or so years ago regarding long-haul jets to replace their B762s but MA decided to acquire 3 leased B763s instead. Of course MA doesn't fly long-haul ops anymore.


KrisYYZ


User currently offlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6271 times:

According to Wiki (yes I know, I know) AR plan to either lease or purchase 6x A333's by the middle of 2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerol%C3%ADneas_Argentinas#Modernisation

Also, I know its not a major airline, but what about Skymark? They will need something to bridge the (huge) gap between their 738's and A388's (if they ever arrive that is, I certainly am dubious about the order).

Cheers

MCO 2 BRS


User currently offlinecodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6256 times:

I wish it could have been LOT, they'd get some already instead of waiting for the Dreamlater  

As for KU, I heard ALAFCO's order was supposed to go to them, but some of the A330s were taken by Saudi. Once the privatisation issues get solved, they will definately order new jets.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6208 times:

They way I see it, the A330s will be replaced at some point once the a350 and 787 prove to be what the airlines want. But in the meantime a lot of airlines are just ordering a330s as a substitute.


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User currently offlinewindian425 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6090 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 10):
As was discussed in another thread, AC 's 787s are delayed once again. I think we may see additional A330s for AC, they like their A333s and acquiring more may send a strong signal to Boeing. Personally I could see a small order for a handful of A333Es as a stop gap measure for the 787-9

This sounds good but most unlikely knowing Air Canada.. More 777's are possible...


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4736 posts, RR: 39
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5215 times:
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Quoting windian425 (Reply 18):
Quoting EPA001 (Reply 10):
As was discussed in another thread, AC 's 787s are delayed once again. I think we may see additional A330s for AC, they like their A333s and acquiring more may send a strong signal to Boeing. Personally I could see a small order for a handful of A333Es as a stop gap measure for the 787-9

This sounds good but most unlikely knowing Air Canada.. More 777's are possible...


Most probably yes. 

That comment you quoted was not made by me but by respected member krisyyz.   Just to keep the correct perspective here.


User currently offlineSanti319 From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5172 times:

Air Asia's low cost long haul has proven to be succesful so I won't hesitate to think in the near future more LCC trying out long haul...then the party will really be over for all the majors...

[Edited 2011-03-13 12:45:14]

User currently offlinearniepie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

Wouldn't an order to the big TUI-group also be likely, they still fly with a fair amount of (relatively) old 757 and 767 that might need replacement in time, the 332 and 333 might just proove to be a perfect fit ,no?


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User currently onlinebananaboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1578 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Quoting arniepie (Reply 21):
Wouldn't an order to the big TUI-group also be likely, they still fly with a fair amount of (relatively) old 757 and 767 that might need replacement in time, the 332 and 333 might just proove to be a perfect fit ,no?

Not that it would be impossible to operate both, but they have a fair number of 787's on order. Can't see them ordering the Airbus A330 to replace their current Boeing products. The 787's are going to mean that the 767's eventually retire. 737's are now doing what their 757's used to do, so perhaps they will be the "replacement."

Mark



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 12):
what good would a 330 do for UA? they plan on replacing 747s with 350s....a 330 cant do that.

The A350-900s they've ordered certainly can't replace a 747, and I've heard no ruminations of an A350-1000 order.

NS


User currently offlineabq707 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

Last I knew, and I may be mistaken, US still had 330's on order. Some were delayed I believe, but how many are/were pending? Are they going to take them, ever?


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 25, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 2542 times:

Quoting abq707 (Reply 24):
Last I knew, and I may be mistaken, US still had 330's on order. Some were delayed I believe, but how many are/were pending? Are they going to take them, ever?

They took 9 A333s with PW in 2000-2001.

They took 7 A332s with RR in 2009-2010.

They have 8 more A332s withh RR to come in 2013-2014.

(Previous orders for more PW-powered A330s have been cancelled.)


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