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When Can We Expect More US-Brazil Flights?  
User currently offlinetonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1023 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3875 times:

A.net friends,

I was wondering when can we see more US-Brazil flights? So hard to find decent fares today even though we are starting a non-peak season.

Do we expect to see more brazil destinations?

Any chance of AA MIA-CNF going 7x weekly?

thanks,
tony

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User currently offlineipodguy7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3830 times:

While we're on the subject, does anyone know all the current US-Brazil Flights?
I tried to compile a list:
DL
ATL-BSB/GIG/GRU
JFK-GRU
DTW-GRU

KE
LAX-GRU

UA
IAH-GIG/GRU
IAD-GIG/GRU
ORD-GRU
EWR-GRU

US
CLT-GIG

AA
MIA-BSB/CNF/REC/SSA/GIG/GRU
DFW-GIG/GRU
JFK-GIG/GRU

TM
MIA-CNF/BSB/MAO/GIG/GRU
MCO-GRU
JFK-GIG/GRU

MIA-CNF/BSB/MAO/GIG/GRU%0d%0aMCO-GRU%0d%0aJFK-GIG/GRU%0d%0aMIA-BSB/CNF/REC/SSA/GIG/GRU%0d%0aDFW-GIG/GRU%0d%0aJFK-GIG/GRU%0d%0aclt-gig%0d%0aiah-gig/gru%0d%0aiad-gig/gru%0d%0aord-gru%0d%0aewr-gru%0d%0alax-gru%0d%0adtw-gru%0d%0ajfk-gru%0d%0aatl-bsb/gig/gru&MS=wls&MR=600&MX=540x540&PM=b:disc5:black" width="540" height="540" border="0"/>
Did I Miss any? Where could we see new routes come from?



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 1):
Did I Miss any? Where could we see new routes come from?

If I'm not mistaken, US has been negotiating slot timings for CLT-GRU which last I heard was tentatively scheduled to start sometime in November.



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User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 956 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

If I am not mistaken some airlines scaled back a few years ago? Wasn't DL flying to ATL-REC and UA ORD-GIG?

User currently offlineSkyPriorityDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3282 times:

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 1):
DTW-GRU

I hope more flights are added to Brazil. DTW-GRU has been doing impressively well, especially with cargo. Worked the flight on Thursday and Friday last week and the flights went out very full. Also got to check out a glimpse of the new Economy Comfort seats, which have a nice amount of legroom. The Brazilian's were happy to say the least  



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8374 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3189 times:
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Flights to Brazil have matured to a very high level. Flights to Sao Paulo from DFW, IAH, ORD, DTW, EWR, JFK, IAD, CLT( soon), ATL, MCO and MIA. That is 11 US cities with nonstop to Sao Paulo. That is a huge amount if flights, are there flights to GRU from 11 European cities ? LIS, MAD, BCN, MXP, FCO, ZRH, MUC, FRA, AMS, CDG and LHR. Yes, but I would expect more European flights to Brazil then from the USA.

22 international destinaion in Europe and the USA from GRU is huge.


User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1764 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):
Flights to Sao Paulo from DFW, IAH, ORD, DTW, EWR, JFK, IAD, CLT( soon), ATL, MCO and MIA.

LAX too on KE.


User currently offlineCoachClass From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

I think there would be even more demand if the USA/Brazil visa requirements were relaxed.

User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

Quoting tonytifao (Thread starter):
I was wondering when can we see more US-Brazil flights? So hard to find decent fares today even though we are starting a non-peak season.

Well, JJ is giving a boost on their GIG-JFK flights. Will increase the frequencies from 4 to 5 weekly. Too little if you ask me.

The US-Brazil market is strong but there's room for more specialy outside GRU.

For instance:
AA could turn MIA-CNF to daily, upgrade their daily MIA-GIG to the 772 and their second MIA-GIG flight to daily. MIA-BSB could use a 763 at least during peak season.

UA could fly IAD-GIG nonstop all year long with the 763 and keep the tagon to GIG, this time from ORD and CO would upgrade IAH-GIG to the 772, EWR-GRU to the 764 and launch a EWR-GIG service with the 762.

DL could use the 764 year round on their ATL-GIG service and use the 763 to BSB at least during peak season.

US is fine as it is, probably could consider swapping the 762 with the 332 during high season.

JJ, if you ask me, is the one with more opportunities at hand: they could switch the 763 for the 332 on the GIG-MIA service, upgrade GIG-JFK to daily and CNF/BSB-MIA to at least 5x weekly. They could launch a flight from the Brazilian Northeast to Miami as well. Also a GIG-MCO 3/4x weekly would be a fine addition. And, naturally, switch one of their daily GRU-MIA/JFK to the 77W providing more capacity. But JJ lacks the planes and is VERY conservative regarding fleet expansion.

IIRC there will be new frequencies ex-GRU available soon, let's see what happens.

[Edited 2011-03-14 08:16:41]


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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2896 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2971 times:
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Quoting SkyPriorityDTW (Reply 4):

What are "economy comfort seats"? Thanks!



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User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2963 times:

they better ease the visa restrictions or these flights wont be too full!

User currently offlinepeteinmiami From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 10):
they better ease the visa restrictions or these flights wont be too full!

Flights are full even with the visa restrictions in place. There is a big myth here about getting a visa to enter the US, it is a costly and time consuming,but most of the people that are interested in travel to the US from Brazil and has the means to do so, have no difficulties on obtaining the visa from the US! For Brazilians the US Visa once granted allows for multiple entrances to the US for 10 years. I do not expect a big rush of people from Brazil coming to the US to visit if the visa restrictions are lifted!!


User currently offlineBSBISLAND From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):
That is a huge amount if flights, are there flights to GRU from 11 European cities ? LIS, MAD, BCN, MXP, FCO, ZRH, MUC, FRA, AMS, CDG and LHR



TAP also flies to OPO and Turkish to IST (well, that's Europe)

Quoting peteinmiami (Reply 11):

Flights are full even with the visa restrictions in place. There is a big myth here about getting a visa to enter the US, it is a costly and time consuming,but most of the people that are interested in travel to the US from Brazil and has the means to do so, have no difficulties on obtaining the visa from the US! For Brazilians the US Visa once granted allows for multiple entrances to the US for 10 years. I do not expect a big rush of people from Brazil coming to the US to visit if the visa restrictions are lifted!!



No difficulties?
all applicants for a US visa in Brazil must go in person to a US consulate or embassy, and if the person does not live in a few selected cities (Brasilia, Rio, Sao Paulo or Recife), it can become very costly as plane tickets or long car/bus trips + hotels and such things just (to try) to get a visa can make the trip not worth for many. A person who lives in Manaus for example, a city directly linked to the US, has to travel to BSB (the closest and cheapest place to get to the interview) on expensive plane tickets, spend a lot on taxis, sometimes hotels and so on to go to the interview to get a visa. Belo horizonte ans Salvador are other examples of cities directly linked to the US where people has to travel to get a visa. Simply the process of getting the visa can sometimes even cost as much as the plane ticket to the US, so is It´s not that simple as it seems. Brazil is a huge country and lots of cities and regions have potential travellers to the US that doesn't go also because of that. And not because I a have a 10 year valid visa I intend to go many times to the US in this period. Be sure that taking a US visa, specially if you have to travel for that can be inconvenient enough for not going. For example one can go to Europe or somewhere else and avoid all those hassles as no visa is required.


User currently offlinepeteinmiami From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

Quoting BSBISLAND (Reply 12):
No difficulties?
all applicants for a US visa in Brazil must go in person to a US consulate or embassy, and if the person does not live in a few selected cities (Brasilia, Rio, Sao Paulo or Recife), it can become very costly as plane tickets or long car/bus trips + hotels and such things just (to try) to get a visa can make the trip not worth for many. A person who lives in Manaus for example, a city directly linked to the US, has to travel to BSB (the closest and cheapest place to get to the interview) on expensive plane tickets, spend a lot on taxis, sometimes hotels and so on to go to the interview to get a visa. Belo horizonte ans Salvador are other examples of cities directly linked to the US where people has to travel to get a visa. Simply the process of getting the visa can sometimes even cost as much as the plane ticket to the US, so is It´s not that simple as it seems. Brazil is a huge country and lots of cities and regions have potential travellers to the US that doesn't go also because of that. And not because I a have a 10 year valid visa I intend to go many times to the US in this period. Be sure that taking a US visa, specially if you have to travel for that can be inconvenient enough for not going. For example one can go to Europe or somewhere else and avoid all those hassles as no visa is required.

I am aware of the process and I mentioned that it was costly and time consuming on my post, but that does not stop Brazilian to travel to the US, and as I mentioned it is only once every ten years that you have to do the process. It will be easier and cheaper to travel to the US if the visa restrictions are lifted. Yeah you can go to Europe without the visa, but then you have to pay everything in Euros, with it is more expensive for Brazilians than the devaluated US dollar, then you get the air fare most of the time more expensive than travel to the US, plus the costs of hotels ,plus food and don't forget one of the main reasons Brazilians travel to the US, Orlando for the kids and shopping at discounted prices in Miami. The visa is a burden I know that first hand, but again that does not stop people to travel to the US.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8374 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2790 times:
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Many South Americans of affluence, the type that travel to Miami, also have European passports. Many are from Spain, Italy or in Brazil's case, Portugal. Those can enter the USA visa free since EU citizens don't need a US visa.

User currently offlinetonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1023 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

It is a hassle to get a visa. my girlfriend is trying to get a VISA and an interview slot is only available in about 3 months from now.

User currently offlineCoachClass From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

U.S passport holders have to get visas, too. I can go to Argentina on a moment's notice, but not to Brazil. I believe that Brazil is the only country in the Americas except for Cuba that requires visas for the ordinary tourist.

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8374 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2496 times:
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Quoting CoachClass (Reply 16):
U.S passport holders have to get visas, too. I can go to Argentina on a moment's notice, but not to Brazil. I believe that Brazil is the only country in the Americas except for Cuba that requires visas for the ordinary tourist.

ITs a Brazilain revenge on US citizens thing, We made Brazilains get US visas so they are making US citizens get Brazilan Visas.


Can Brazilian visas be purchased at the airport as you arrive in Brazil ?


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 17):
ITs a Brazilain revenge on US citizens thing, We made Brazilains get US visas so they are making US citizens get Brazilan Visas.

Its the same thing with the USVisit. Brazil asked to be excluded from the USVisit procedures, and they were denied, so all US citizens going to Brazil will have their fingerprints scanned and pictures taken.



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User currently offlinemanfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2484 times:

I'm taking AA 763 from MIA-GIG in June. This will be my first time on AA's widebody and my first trip to Brazil. The flights right now are around 1200USD round trip.

Can anyone comment on AA's service from Miami?



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User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Quoting SkyPriorityDTW (Reply 4):
Quoting SkyPriorityDTW (Reply 4):
I hope more flights are added to Brazil. DTW-GRU has been doing impressively well, especially with cargo. Worked the flight on Thursday and Friday last week and the flights went out very full. Also got to check out a glimpse of the new Economy Comfort seats, which have a nice amount of legroom. The Brazilian's were happy to say the least

Was there a noticeable increase in recline as well? Did they have the new headrest covers too?


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 17):
ITs a Brazilain revenge on US citizens thing, We made Brazilains get US visas so they are making US citizens get Brazilan Visas.

Reciprocity is the corner stone of Brazil's diplomacy. An example? There you go: ever since the EU lifted the visa requirements for brazilian citizens, the brazilian government did the same to europeans. That goes, recently, to New Zealanders after the visa requirement was over.

As for the Brazil-US policy, it's easier for americans actually since the brazilian missions in the US accept requests via mail so the applicant doesn't need to travel to the city where the consulate/embassy is located. Brazilans, on the other hand, have to be in person at one of the US missions in Brazil located at RIO, SAO, REC and BSB. So, for instance, a potential tourist from MAO has to go all the way to BSB to apply for the visa.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 17):
Can Brazilian visas be purchased at the airport as you arrive in Brazil ?

No.


Hopefully, Obama's visit to Brazil will help the visa restrictions to be relaxed.

[Edited 2011-03-16 12:58:05]


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User currently offlineSFOA380 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

I can't believe there are so few flights from the west coast. KE 3x/week is it... I would think that LAX could provide double daily and SFO once daily given the STAR / OW hubs in those cities.

User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

Quoting CoachClass (Reply 16):
.S passport holders have to get visas, too. I can go to Argentina on a moment's notice, but not to Brazil. I believe that Brazil is the only country in the Americas except for Cuba that requires visas for the ordinary tourist.

i thought Bolivia added the visa requirements as well in the last few years?!


User currently offlinecvg2lga From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2355 times:

Quoting CoachClass (Reply 16):
I can go to Argentina on a moment's notice, but not to Brazil.

Not without a visa you cannot. Argentina adopted this, I believe last year.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 17):
ITs a Brazilain revenge on US citizens thing, We made Brazilains get US visas so they are
making US citizens get Brazilan Visas.

And rightly so in my opinion.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 18):
so all US citizens going to Brazil will have their fingerprints scanned and pictures taken
.

I did not. I arrived a week and a half ago and even though it wasn't my first visit to Brasil, I've never had fingerprints or photos.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 21):
Hopefully, Obama's visit to Brazil will help the visa restrictions to be relaxed.

How so?


It is very difficult for Brasilians to get a visa to the US. Also, I think each country is losing out on tourism from each other. I used to work for a Delta subsidiary and traveled for the first time to Brasil in 2008. Plenty of friends wanted to come and visit and see it all but to pay 130$ is alot for some people, on top of the money needed to stay in Brasil for X number of days.. If I'm not mistaken the fee may have even gone up now, but also I think the visa has been extended to 10 years. Please someone feel free to correct me on that. I think the US needs to chill, and drop the visa requirement.

PS, I really wish DL could have kept the REC/FOR flights. Both or even just FOR, since Recife is only 3 hours by bus from where I am living.

Tchau

DA-



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25 jpyvr : I visited Argentina in January 2011. I have both Canadian and American passports, and with either one I didn't need a visa to enter. I DID need to pa
26 usflyer msp : This varies by region. The Chicago and Houston consulates do accept applications by mail but the Los Angeles consulate does not. Argentina charges a
27 C010T3 : You mean France, since other Western European countries did not require visas before Schengen was implemented. You'll find more Italian passport hold
28 Rafabozzolla : Italian passport holders are far more numerous in Brazil than Portuguese ones. Anyway, I have an Italian passport and I can travel to the US visa-fre
29 N623JB : Is there any chance that JetBlue will start flights to Brazil? (At least before the World Cup). I hope.
30 Post contains links SkyPriorityDTW : http://www.delta.com/traveling_check.../economy_class/economy_comfort.jsp There is the link to the new seats. More legroom, Zone 2 boarding, and more
31 op3000 : About how many rows of Economy Comfort did the 767 have?
32 LipeGIG : More flights: It will be one of the issues to be discussed on Saturday in Brasilia during Obama visit. This year we may see something between 14-21 ne
33 Post contains images cvg2lga : Thanks guys for point out that it isn't a visa needed for Argentina, just the fee paid. I got confused there. Let's hope! Tchau DA-
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