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Big Shake Up Coming To ATL DCI OPS (Rumor)  
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 17580 times:

The word right now is that there is a possible shake-up on it's way for Delta's largest DCI operator in Atlanta. Apparently, they (DL) hasn't been to impressed/happy with EV's performance over the past few months. MTC delays and cancellations has been on a steady rise with the dispatch reliability of the CR7s going down the toilet (let's not even talk about the 200s). Many, many delays and cancellations due to crew scheduling issues. If they aren't late due to an F/A(s) they're late due no flight deck crew (1 or both). It's gotten so bad, ASA recently fired the guy that does the numbers for crew staffing numbers. What's been put out as of late to recruiting has been WAY off.

The thing with ASA as long as i've been dealing with them, all they care about in the end is the completion factor. Well, from what i'm hearing, DL's had about enough of them and all their "problems" and may pull the performance card. Something they've never done to the red headed step-child that is EV.


What gets measured gets done.
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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4616 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 17501 times:

Only took DL what....10...15 years to finally hold EV accountable for a questionable product?

User currently offlineflyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 17413 times:

So they kill two bird with one stone by pulling a Mesa on ASA.


Smart, especially with oil skyrocketing.


If this is successful all those point to point CRJ routes are more than likely gone with the decease in regional fleet size with an ASA exit.


User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3408 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 17293 times:

I hope that's true. Accountability at EV would be a nice change.


"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 17121 times:

It's a running joke here at MLI (and other stations I'm sure) about EV and delays. There is literally not a day that goes by that we're not seriously delayed (over an hour) on at least one flight. I thing our 5PM flight has something like a 65% on-time rating. The addition of the new Horizon birds hasn't helped any, as those seem to be delayed due to maintenance all the time. I personally like EV as an airline, but the stats are terrible. Hopefully EV and DL can hash something out and performance improves soon.

User currently offlineskymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 16882 times:

I hope that this rumour is true,

Here in TLH we call it getting "ASA'ed" whenever something goes wrong with one of their flights (which is often). The DL staff take the brunt of the passenger inquries through no fault of their own

As a frequent flyer I have written to DL about the situation and basically got a "That's they way it is" response. I also advise my staff to "book away" from ASA flights and to leave extra connecting time if they are on an ASA operated segment.

Many of us will be very glad to see changes



I love to fly, and it shows!
User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1043 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16675 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
the dispatch reliability of the CR7s going down the toilet (let's not even talk about the 200s)

Do I see some sort of double entendre here?  

I have flown six times on ASA CRJ-200s thus far. Only one of those flights was delayed because of maintenance problems. What I noticed however, was that the cabins were usually in a pretty run-down state: broken armrests and seatback handles, damaged seatpockets, unavailable bathrooms. Could it be that these aircraft are not fit to be operated in the way they currently are, and are therefore out of service more often? Do other CRJ operators face similar problems? And how does the CR9 compare in terms of dispatch reliability?



'He resembled a pilot, which to a seaman is trustworthiness personified.' Joseph Conrad
User currently offlinedwcontroller From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16368 times:

I'm pretty impressed with their UAX service in IAD, don't see them to much any more in MHT on the Delta side, all though they do have a random overnighter tonight from DTW.


Best phrase to hear at the airport - "All standbys have been cleared and may board at this time"
User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 887 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16354 times:
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SBN-ATL flights that used to be operated by ASA are now operated by Pinnacle and Comair.

User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16344 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 1):
Only took DL what....10...15 years to finally hold EV accountable for a questionable product?

No kidding..i had to double check the date of this post to make sure i hadnt stepped back in time!


User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1487 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15375 times:

In my own travels on ASA I've found them to be very unreliable and when on board the cleanliness is abysmal too. Have to say the surliness lack of professionalism of some of the FA's is at a level above most other carriers. This would not be surprising if DL is trying to weed them out. With the cost of 50 seaters coming into question with the rise in fuel prices it would make sense for the legacy carriers to pare the RJ operations.

User currently offlinerbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15299 times:

This is long overdue, and hopefully true. ASA treats flight schedules as mere suggestions. I try to book away from them whenever possible.

User currently offlineCWAFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 669 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15037 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 1):
Only took DL what....10...15 years to finally hold EV accountable for a questionable product?

Hmmm...how about when Delta owned ASA from 1999 to 2005?


User currently offlinepeachair From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14939 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
Well, from what i'm hearing, DL's had about enough of them and all their "problems" and may pull the performance card. Something they've never done to the red headed step-child that is EV.

What performance card? I thought DL was already handling ramp ops and all ticketing/gate functions for ASA in ATL.

Are you referring to maintenance?


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14900 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 1):
Only took DL what....10...15 years to finally hold EV accountable for a questionable product?

As a former ASA ramper (I left there over a decade ago), I concur. They had the sorriest bunch of ramp agents when I worked there, and that was part of the reason why I hated working there. The fact that it took them as long as it did to takeover the ramp from ASA is what was shocking. I was honestly surprised that they didn't farm out the ASA ramp to DGS or REAS. Even when I worked there, folks would jokingly refer to the airline as "America's Sorriest Airline" (There's another variation in which the middle word is a swear word.).

I would not be surprised if this rumor comes to pass. If I remember correctly, as part of the ASA deal with SkyWest, Delta could not reduce ASA's DL Connection flying below a certain level within a set time period or SkyWest would not be obligated to pay the final payment to DL for EV. I'm guessing that date has passed, and now DL can cut the amount of flying EV does under the DL Connection banner.


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14770 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 14):
(There's another variation in which the middle word is a swear word.).

I've seen that written in the bin of many of EV's aircraft.

Now a question. I'm sure it's way too early to tell, but who do you all speculate will pick up some/most of EV's flying if this rumor comes to pass? Will OO itself fill the backlog or will OH finally get some more flying? There aren't too many DCI carriers operating CR7s and E175s, so where will the fill come from? I'm anxious to see how all this plays out.


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14733 times:

I'm sure the increase in flying in MEM and DTW hasn't helped ASA either. Does anyone know if they for sure opened any bases outside of ATL and IAD?


Hey Swifty
User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14609 times:

EV will be opening a crew base in DTW soon.

I have heard from the grapevine that UA and UAX are VERY disappointed in EV's performance. MX and Crew delays were a main topic at the latest QBR's that EV had with UA in ORD. I also heard that they have to get their $h*t together, or they will become a much smaller carrier with the new United.


User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14580 times:

Sorry for the second post... I seriously doubt that EV flying out of ATL would ever be farmed out. There are too many routes that 9E, OH, XJ, S5 could not cover out of ATL due to capacity in smaller markets (ABY, ILM, CRW, etc.)

User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14417 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 15):
Will OO itself fill the backlog or will OH finally get some more flying?

Depends on what they want to cut. I'd be very, very surprised if OH got anything. Their CRJ-100s aren't getting any more efficient and they're already the most expensive CRJ-700/900 operator in the DLC system anyway. What's the situation with the EV CRJ-200 fleet? Who owns/leases the bulk of them?

[Edited 2011-03-14 13:19:10]


Hey Swifty
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7696 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14172 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
Well, from what i'm hearing, DL's had about enough of them and all their "problems" and may pull the performance card. Something they've never done to the red headed step-child that is EV.

They would really be doing that to dump CRJ-200s if they really do it. Since they want to dump CRJ-200s it might be true, but OTOH if these problems have really been going on for a long time and suddenly DL is going to use it as an excuse to escape a contract then a judge might question that motivation. Skywest usually runs a good airline. They need to give it more attention. I'm sure, though, that part of the problem is ATL flow control. ASA flights are probably used as cannon fodder for flow control. That's more DL's fault.


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13775 times:

I don't know if it's all ASA or what has transferred over to OO, but in MSP the OO flights are awful, and especially to Grand Forks, never seems like they are ever on-time anywhere out of MSP and cancel more often.


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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3308 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13633 times:

When I saw this thread, ASA isn't the first airline that came to mind. At least not from what I've heard directly from the DCI higher-ups I've spoken with....

User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12413 times:

Quoting bhmdiversion (Reply 18):
Sorry for the second post... I seriously doubt that EV flying out of ATL would ever be farmed out. There are too many routes that 9E, OH, XJ, S5 could not cover out of ATL due to capacity in smaller markets (ABY, ILM, CRW, etc.)

Why couldn't 9E, OH, XJ, RP, OO etc. step in? As far as DL is concerned, a 50-seat RJ is a 50-seat RJ; its not like EV has anything special.


User currently offlineaviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12088 times:

Well EV has recently had a great number of airplanes in unplanned MTC due to their contract partners in ATL damaging the aircraft. I know several have been damaged by belt loaders and catering golf carts. This clearly drives MTC cancellations when an aircraft is out of service for a week or more at a time due to no fault of EV employees. These case are well documented too..

Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
I'm sure, though, that part of the problem is ATL flow control. ASA flights are probably used as cannon fodder for flow control. That's more DL's fault.



This occurs rather often, and DL does cancel a good number of EV flights when ATL weather is bad just so they can have the slots for their mainline aircraft.


25 N757KW : Wow, the more things change the more they stay the same. Sounds like the good old Brasilia and BAe-146 days, all sorts of ramp issues and MTC delays.
26 NW747-400 : Sorry to disappoint you all, but EV's CPA with DL requires that EV hold 80% of the DCI flying in ATL for the duration of the contract. For the record,
27 FlyASAGuy2005 : See my last quote to NWA747 Yes, the new crew base in DTW has been confirmed. I have seen the numbers. I'm talking about delays here. Which has much
28 NW747-400 : Of course they are. Any regional operating under a CPA is most concerned about completion factor over any other performance metric because regionals
29 deltal1011man : ha DL wont outsource the outsourcing hahaha
30 aviationbuff08 : I will add to this that the way DL schedules the aircraft doesn"t help. Having one airplane do 8 flights legs a day with a mere 40 minutes turn in AT
31 CWAFlyer : I'm not sure what you're basing that on. Since the first of the year, 13 MSP-GFK flights have cancelled. 4 to the MSP snow event on FEB20, 2 to GFK w
32 FlyASAGuy2005 : Because they need the a/c now? What's your point? Who else is going to be able to step in and operate CR7s by...now. Comair? OO? Not removed. There w
33 NW747-400 : My point is that lift could have been given to anyone that DL wanted. Its pretty easy to add CR7 to an operating certificate of a CRJ or CR9 operator
34 FlyASAGuy2005 : Says you. I'm just forwarding what was told to me by senior folks running the show. The bottom line is, how they feel at this point is if they can't
35 Post contains images dsuairptman : What else is there for them to worry about? The bottom line is that they get a fixed amount for each departure and bonuses based on completion. This
36 mayor : What's so difficult about that? We had turn times of 50 minutes at a spoke station (SLC, before DL/WA) on a 727 and that included unloading, upstairs
37 ericaasen : All DCI carriers have a 30 minute turn time at out stations.
38 FlyASAGuy2005 : Of course their not. But this thread isn't about other regional carriers. ??? First off, the pay scale is the same for the CR7s and CR9s. They haven'
39 nwaesc : It's changed, amigo. 2 class RJ's are still :30, but 1 class are now :25 (unless coming from NYC, then it's :30).
40 azjubilee : I won't believe this until I see it. If DL really cared about performance, it would look at ITSELF first, which they're finally doing. Then, if they s
41 ridgid727 : It is the job of Atkins and friends in SGU to waltz around the nation and the world, telling the success story of OO, and buying other regionals such
42 mayor : Ooooohhh, but many of the OO employees adore him......my daughter is one of them. You think DL never cared about departure times? That was our main f
43 Goldenshield : Even though they shipped Mr. Holt over to clean house, there was still a lot to deal with afterwards. Performance and moral has vastly improved over
44 mayor : It just seems to me that EV's problems have gotten worse AFTER OO bought them.
45 GoBoeing : All of this is mainline's fault. They could do it better themselves and continue to choose not to.
46 mayor : Perhaps......I still think that any regional flying should be done, in house.........DL could own and operate, as Delta Air Lines, the regional porti
47 nwaesc : Nope, not at all. If nothing else, at least bring the E75's in house...
48 beryllium : DL could... But it is a lot cheaper to outsource all that to the regionals - that way there is no need for DL to have all those regional aircraft in
49 DLX737200 : I think it's a great idea but as long as Delta cares about making $$$$$, it won't happen.
50 FlyASAGuy2005 : The "debacle" sure. Yet, Freedom is no longer a DCI carrier...so what's your point by this statement? Come on Az. D-0 is NOT something new for Delta.
51 MSPNWA : Well said. Poor Delta Connection performance is nothing new, and it really all starts at the top. There needs to be more accountability for poor perf
52 mayor : How many of the regional a/c does DL operate at present?
53 GoBoeing : The employees are still paid with Delta's money, don't you see that? A few weeks ago we had no potable water. We weren't going on the flight without
54 dsuairptman : Either way the scale still pays more than the 200. If larger frames are pulled, someone is getting displaced to the 200 and lower pay. I don't see ho
55 beryllium : DL doesn't operate regional a/c. DL's regional partners operate those a/c for them (under the DL Connection brand). The point is that if DL brings re
56 beryllium : If it doesn't save a thing, why every major legacy airline outsources regional flying then?
57 GoBoeing : Because it just evolved that way, from commuter props to today and it can't be changed back overnight. Don't look to the US air carriers for companie
58 TOLtommy : Don't think the question wasn't asked at one point. Problem was that the unions (i.e. ALPA) didn't see it the same way. They rejected it outright, an
59 beryllium : And there is a reason why it evolved that way, right? WN has a clue, but their business model is completely different from that of DL. They don't fly
60 PSU.DTW.SCE : Yeah, I find it ironic DL would be cracking down on their regionals before really taking a look in the mirror. Yep, and we'll probably see a case of
61 GoBoeing : You've missed the point. I'm not suggesting mainline carriers stop flying to small cities. I'm suggesting they evaluate whether or not they could do
62 beryllium : I get your point - you are suggesting that mainline carriers should get all flying "in-house" and start flying to those small cities themselves. Try
63 GoBoeing : This is the exact mindset I am talking about -- that of people behind desks who can't see the failures firsthand. Again, simple quick example, a coup
64 BCEaglesCO757 : We can all thank Frank Lorenzo. May hell have a nice warm seat ready and waiting for him when he is ready for it. I think he really got the ball roll
65 beryllium : People behind desks see those failures - if this this rumor about DL/EV situation is true, it is not coming out of nowehere. People behind desks at D
66 mayor : Sorry...didn't mean to say "operate". What I meant to say was OWN.
67 azjubilee : Mayor - I'm not being high and mighty. I'm stating reality. Being handled by a PMDL station as we were integrating was a completely different experien
68 rampboy77 : Since this is a rumor thread full of facts and figures, what about this one? Maybe it is not EV. Maybe it is 9E. Maybe DL is reassigning the 9E CR9's
69 B727LVR : Simple answer... NO... This is what hey were built to do. Its a lack of maintenance or pride in maintenance or both... Sky West operates their CRJ's
70 azjubilee : The only problem with your theory rampboy is that Pinnacle owns/leases their 900s. You might be on to something considering the departure of Trenary,
71 mayor : Sounds good except, I believe that DL is still gunshy about having all their eggs in one basket. Forgive me if I forget what year it was, but when OH
72 azjubilee : Mayor - yes, there's the Comair 2001 strike to consider, but it's becoming a very tired excuse. With the PCL labor drama over, nobody is anywhere CLOS
73 mayor : Sounds to me like they lack any sort of motivation (for whatever reason) for getting the flights out on time. I wonder why that would be? I mean, we
74 SkyPriorityDTW : Crew scheduling and maintenance issues is what the topic of this post was. Anyways, I wish we had the same in DTW! Regional Elite and ASA together ca
75 brandonfs88 : somehow i figured you would bring REAS into this topic about ATL DCI ops for ASA
76 SkyPriorityDTW : If they performed as they should, then there would be no reason to complain. The simple fact is, and will remain, that the DTW operation would run mu
77 azjubilee : These kinds of things have been happening for YEARS in DTW. It's not only a Regional Elite thing... it's a DTW thing. When staffed properly and there
78 brandonfs88 : I had the same thing happen in ATL last month, except i was on plane waiting to be parked, waited 25 min, then i watched my plane push from the gate
79 FlyASAGuy2005 : Don't say impossible. My dear friend turned a FULL 738 tonight in about 32 minutes flat...in Atlanta. It was great. The guys got all the bags off in
80 EMB170 : It's not just the OH strike that shut down CVG, it was that AND the OH computer meltdown over the Christmas holidays (I don't remember which year) th
81 vgnatl747 : I believe it was 2006; it was the first Christmas that I worked for OH. It feels so long ago now... it's been a good 4 years since I left! The strike
82 SkyPriorityDTW : That's exactly the problem, for what reason? NW may have put up with their nonsense, but why should DL? A former Mesaba (prior to the REAS start up a
83 azjubilee : I'll repeat... it's a DTW problem, not a Regional Elite problem. The kind of employee that is attracted to that kind of job paying that much money is
84 nwaesc : They still don't...
85 NW747-400 : EV hasn't handled bags, gates, or any other ground handling function in ATL for quite some time. As such, baggage numbers are not part of the perform
86 KaiGywer : Except for OO who for some reason only need 24 minutes to turn a CRJ....with a crew change....and an air start....
87 brandonfs88 : Excalty! i remember how many times i took bag claims for pax starting in MSP and there bag would never made it to MQT, usually ended up in MOT, or ju
88 Post contains images SkyPriorityDTW : At least we can come to a consensus on this. True, but they should be thankful they have benefits at least. The Ready Reserve program that was introd
89 FlyASAGuy2005 : Az and SkyClub. Enlighten me on something if you will. With above and below wing being REAS (I understand it's only on certain concourses?) are the ra
90 av8ajet : We are no longer supposed to call in range since we were given ACARS. Our procedure, but I still will with non-ACARS planes.
91 CRJ900LR : All the regionals have their issues. Don't matter if it is Delta's, United's or US Airways regional network they are all going to have their issues. I
92 FlyASAGuy2005 : FWIW, they have been the only one to manage to loose my valet bag. Happened last year around August, ORF-PHL (my final destination was RDU). I drop m
93 azjubilee : This whole issue is not necessarily a mainline vs. regional thing, but ultimately a resources thing. Even mainline, without the proper resources will
94 Post contains images SkyPriorityDTW : B/C Concourse is handled by REAS above and below-wing. REAS also ground handles below-wing in the A Concourse for any non-Compass DCI carriers. Yes,
95 CRJ900LR : Hey Sky the initials of the guy you emailed arn't GS are they?
96 irish : Is transfer runner and local runner handled by REAS to? The other day I was in the bin from DTW and I was pretty surprised to find 12 bags with GRR on
97 mayor : Actually, the DOT only cares about A14......they don't care how you get it as long as you do. THAT has never changed since on-time stats come from ar
98 FlyASAGuy2005 : Forgive me (I should know this) but is A14 based on your ACARS on or in time?
99 CRJ900LR : I believe it is the time the flight arrives at the gate.
100 mayor : Oh, I think it's based on in time.........back when on-time was based on departures, it was based on departure from the gate. We used to trick the sy
101 SkyPriorityDTW : No, but if you're talking about someone on the DL side of the operation with those initials I think I know who you're talking about. I was talking ab
102 ericaasen : It's not just them. It seems like half of the time the first contact I get from Comair is "We're at E14 and waiting for a ramp crew." One of these da
103 GoBoeing : The ironic this about this would be that there are many that wouldn't care. In fact there are some that I fly with that would be pleased to have to s
104 jetracer5 : Wheelchairs and everything else are sent when we submit our ACARS gate request. If you dont know how to get it you need to talk to somebody so you kn
105 azjubilee : Mayor - yes, I realize what the DOT cares about. However, WE as an airline measure D-0, A14, A-0, B-0 and completion factor. Those are all metrics we
106 PSU.DTW.SCE : Yep, we've been bickering about the regional operation at DTW for the past decade. It runs well on some days, but on other days its a complete C.F. H
107 vgnatl747 : Do ALL outstations have ACARS capability? Things may have changed, it's been several years since I worked for OH, but our station did not have ACARS.
108 nwaesc : The PMNW stations that were M/L prior to BK all still had one in addition to the vendor(s). Hunh. Okay, that explains that, I guess, but see below...
109 FlyASAGuy2005 : See and this is what some of the pax miss. With DCI, they are to close the flight 10 minutes prior to departure. They radio the numbers to the ALA, t
110 PSU.DTW.SCE : Right, but most of the time it isn't the agent's fault. They may be stuck working an earlier flight at another gate and can't get over the meet an in
111 mayor : I've seen many situations where the ramp agents (save the ala's) had no idea where the flight was going, so they loaded whatever was given to them. Y
112 nwaesc : ... And equally maddening to be working one... Wait, what?! How can someone *not* know where a particular A/C is going? Separately, I know MSP &
113 FlyASAGuy2005 : Thre are boards in ATL as well. It's tied to the FIDs and DL Term so if there is a change, the boards automatically change. Also has a countdown to D
114 Post contains images SkyPriorityDTW : In DTW, your name will be called over the overhead page system if a Red Coat has to park your plane. This is exactly where REAS can improve... if the
115 mayor : They didn't used to have them, is what I'm saying.
116 irish : The checked bags are a real problem. Lets say your a agent and you are waiting for a last minute passenger and cant leave the podium. He shows up you
117 azjubilee : Mayor - turn times for the CRJ are never a problem generally. I have been on a flight where we've done a turn in less than 15 minutes. Quick turns are
118 mayor : Exactly.....the hubs could take some lessons from those at the out stations on pre-planning and working together. We used to have a 737 come into SLC
119 nwaesc : Agreed. Spinning a CRJ is easy if everyone's on the same page. All the better if it's the crew's last leg, and they're, um, "motivated" to get back i
120 azjubilee : Sorry... you won't find any Mesaba crews doing a "hot fuel." I think we might be the only DCI carrier that doesn't do it. Of course... as we get "Pinn
121 FlyASAGuy2005 : I'm sure if you explain i'll know what you're talking about; just never heard of the coin term "hot fuel". What is that exactly.
122 GoBoeing : Jeez, I wouldn't do that either. At least, not just for the sake of a quick turn. Perhaps if the plane had a broken APU, and we were being dispatched
123 nwaesc : I know... When I posted that I was speaking of all DCI in general... I think 9E is the only one that does it (at least that I've seen)??? As noted, i
124 azjubilee : NWAESC - I'm pretty sure all other DCI carriers do hot fuels except Mesaba. At least that's what I was told in ATW once. At XJ, when the APU is deferr
125 Goldenshield : Hot fuels are actually SLOWER than normal turn time, because instead of everything being done at one time, they have to be done in steps to ensure th
126 nwaesc : It's been my experience that it's quicker, because the start/restart is skipped (they just leave #2 going)... Obviously, overwing fueling is it's own
127 KingAir200 : I agree with you. 9E's procedures must be different that those at Goldenshield's airline.
128 jetracer5 : Huh? Flown for 2 different airlines and never seen a hot fuel done this way. Always just left the #2 engine running. Sounds like whoever did a hot fu
129 Goldenshield : Whether it's incorrect or correct to you is irrelevant. What matters is that it's done as safe as possible with procedures put in place, as approved
130 Post contains images KaiGywer : I love getting XJ into my station (none this schedule) because we would always get both ACARS and a radio call in range. OO does also, but due to the
131 Post contains images Alias1024 : The airline I work for is a DCI carrier, and we almost NEVER call on the ground unless we are specifically asked do during the in range call. Makes s
132 Post contains images nwaesc : I've never seen it done w/ a prop, and am not sure I'd want to. Also, when we happen to do it, the fueler has to agree, or all bets are off. Also, we
133 mayor : Me neither. I remember when we used to park the L-100 freighter at ORD, #1 & #2 were still spinning while we had to open the crew door, grab the
134 ericaasen : Well, the next time you come to ORD during the afternoon be prepared to call on the ground, since I always ask the pilots to call on the ground if th
135 Alias1024 : I have no problem with it if you ask. Just know that your station is the exception, not the rule, and you won't get a call on the ground unless you a
136 SA7700 : This thread will be locked for further contributions as it has been steered into an off-topic direction, which has little or nothing to do with the or
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