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AA Has Record Day At Miami  
User currently offlineMiAAmi From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 635 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6588 times:

AA has record day at MIA.

http://www.bizjournals.com/southflor...ds-in-miami-traffic.html?ana=yfcpc

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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6565 times:

What was so special last weekend that made it particularly busy? Just the start of "Spring Break" season?

User currently offlineMiAAmi From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 635 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5808 times:

Spring Break and that AA operates more flights than ever at the Miami Hub

User currently offlinejrodATC From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5790 times:

This is a milestone even if it was assisted by the Spring Break rush...

AA's presence is certainly formidable as most tails you see flying in are AA planes. I watched about 15-20 planes on final to MIA one day and almost all of them were AA.


User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5069 times:
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Last weekend was also the end of the 2011 Winter Music Conference.

User currently offlineripcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4728 times:

The way Miami is growing I wouldnt be surprised if they over took DFW in passengers but not flights...It has become their #2 hub overtaking ORD

User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5312 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 5):
The way Miami is growing I wouldnt be surprised if they over took DFW in passengers but not flights...It has become their #2 hub overtaking ORD

I think ORD still has more AA/Eagle/Connection flights than MIA. In terms of mainline only, then yes, MIA has more flights than ORD.

Quoting jrodATC (Reply 3):
AA's presence is certainly formidable as most tails you see flying in are AA planes. I watched about 15-20 planes on final to MIA one day and almost all of them were AA.

I onced stayed at the Hampton Inn on the south side of the airport. It was AA jet after AA jet, with a few Caribbean aircraft and one Korean 747 cargo jet.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7743 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

Having holidayed in the Keys at this time of the year I understand the importance of the annual Spring Break. And I note that events like

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 4):
the end of the 2011 Winter Music Conference

will help stimulate traffic. But I wonder if the growth this year which, economically, is far from being the best year on record, and the fact that
Quoting MiAAmi (Reply 2):
AA operates more flights than ever at the Miami Hub

is at least partly because this March many AA flights to and from MIA are, for the first time, both IB and BA code share flights? Could this be the first solid evidence that ATI is working for oneworld?


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3998 times:

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 5):
The way Miami is growing I wouldnt be surprised if they over took DFW in passengers but not flights...It has become their #2 hub overtaking ORD

Not gonna happen. AA's DFW hub is the second largest airlines hub in the world, and ORD still is a considerably larger hub than MIA including Eagle and Connection. Also, AA will not continue to grow the way they've been for too much longer, as the market will become overstimulated, all of the recent European airline additions (and DL) are signs that this may be occurring soon.

Still, AA's growth at MIA has been nothing short of amazing, the market has been extremely underserved in relation to many other US markets until recently.

Jeremy


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3892 times:
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Was also the return of passengers that travel to Brazil for Carnaval (very busy time from SSA/REC and GIG) and the return of Brazilians that travel to the United States (very busy time to all markets).


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
Was also the return of passengers that travel to Brazil for Carnaval (very busy time from SSA/REC and GIG) and the return of Brazilians that travel to the United States (very busy time to all markets).

Carnival also in Caribbean cities such as POS.

I was hard to get a seat in and out of MIA last few weeks on anything involving Int'l. April looks quieter.



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User currently offlineFlyVail From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

I am a recent transplant to the Keys and have been doing quite a bit of flying out of MIA, mostly on AA. It's great that there is so much flexibility now out of MIA (including the EGE flight I have to take fairly often).

What kills me is the traffic getting to the airport. Three hours to get from Key Largo to MIA two weeks ago. Missed the direct to EGE and had to go through DFW. (Like I said, recent transplant - I only know the turnpike routes).

Now if AA would just do something about the 757 interiors...


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 8):
Quoting ripcordd (Reply 5):
The way Miami is growing I wouldnt be surprised if they over took DFW in passengers but not flights...It has become their #2 hub overtaking ORD

Not gonna happen. AA's DFW hub is the second largest airlines hub in the world, and ORD still is a considerably larger hub than MIA including Eagle and Connection. Also, AA will not continue to grow the way they've been for too much longer, as the market will become overstimulated, all of the recent European airline additions (and DL) are signs that this may be occurring soon.

Still, AA's growth at MIA has been nothing short of amazing, the market has been extremely underserved in relation to many other US markets until recently.

Jeremy

Time to use facts.

Considerably larger? The Miami hub is AA's second largest hub in both passengers carried and daily seats.

Furthermore, Peter Dolara already announced a plan to add close to 100 daily flights to MIA, largely domestic, between now and 2013.:

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...urs-American-Airlines-exec_8349083



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3416 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 12):

Time to use facts.

Considerably larger? The Miami hub is AA's second largest hub in both passengers carried and daily seats.

Where are my facts wrong? The article you posted yourself states that MIA is AA's third largest hub. I've heard that MIA would overtake or had overtaken ORD as AA's second largest hub by daily seats but wasn't sure if that had taken place just yet or if that was a mainline only statistic or whether it was a comprehensive AA system fact. ORD still dominates by total flights. Overall, what I said about MIA not overtaking DFW was not factually incorrect or presumptive. MIA will likely (almost surely) never overtake DFW as AA's largest hub given that MIA simply can't provide the traffic flows that DFW can for connecting passengers.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 12):
Furthermore, Peter Dolara already announced a plan to add close to 100 daily flights to MIA, largely domestic, between now and 2013.:

As I earlier stated, MIA has been underserved for the market it has. Routes like MIA-SAN and MIA-SEA that could be flown or used to be flown could easily be supported by new service. The same applies to a number of markets like MIA-MCI, MIA-MKE, MIA-PVD and a number of others, that are either unserved or underserved. However, MIA's growth once these types of additions will be made will need to be supported by connecting service and organic growth, which will not come at a faster rate than any other hubs in the US. MIA's economy is not flourishing by any means relatives to other larger US cities like Houston, Dallas/Ft. Worth, or Washington, D.C. AA's growth is limited outside of key US markets and large international markets because they must rely heavily on O&D and Latin American connections (such as the aforementioned domestic routes and international flights like MIA-NRT and MIA-JNB).

Jeremy


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 13):
. I've heard that MIA would overtake or had overtaken ORD as AA's second largest hub by daily seats but wasn't sure if that had taken place just yet or if that was a mainline only statistic or whether it was a comprehensive AA system fact.

MIA overtook ORD about two years ago as AA's second largest hub in just about every metric except daily flights.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 13):
Overall, what I said about MIA not overtaking DFW was not factually incorrect or presumptive. MIA will likely (almost surely) never overtake DFW as AA's largest hub given that MIA simply can't provide the traffic flows that DFW can for connecting passengers.

That's definitely true.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 13):
However, MIA's growth once these types of additions will be made will need to be supported by connecting service and organic growth, which will not come at a faster rate than any other hubs in the US. MIA's economy is not flourishing by any means relatives to other larger US cities like Houston, Dallas/Ft. Worth, or Washington, D.C.

Clearly the lack of a "flourishing" economy has not affected air travel, as MIA is the second fastest growing major U.S. airport right now, after Charlotte. And the numbers in 2011, for the first two month, aren't slowing down anything.

There is significant opportunity, as you stated, to expand domestically.

There is also opportunity to open up smaller markets in northern South America - especially with Colombia Open Skies coming up - if AA is to acquire a smaller aircraft. A 70-90 seat E-Jet is perfect for markets like Bucaramanga, Colombia and Barquisimeto, Venezuela.

Also, there is an opportunity for AA to take advantage of BA/IB to grow in Miami-Europe. It has been at a huge disadvantage as Miami-Europe O&D is roughly 70% Europe-originating, and without the ability to share in BA and IB's distribution channels (while UA and DL could share with their respective partners), AA has been losing out in key markets like Frankfurt (190 PDEW; 3rd largest FRA-U.S. O&D market after NYC and SFO), Manchester (66 PDEW; 3rd after MCO and NYC); Milan (118 PDEW; 2nd largest after NYC), Rome (161 PDEW; third largest after JFK and LAX) and Zurich (125 PDEW; second largest after NYC). Now that IB/BA revenue share, they have an incentive to send that traffic on AA metal, and to connect it onward to the Caribbean and LatAm. Miami-Rome is on track to overtake Miami-Madrid in local market size. Needless Madrid is a OW hub and better connecting market to LatAm (but well connected itself to LatAM, which partially negates that), but if AA/IB can fill three dailies to Madrid, it can do one daily to Rome.



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User currently offlineMiAAmi From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 635 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Im curious as to what AA has in store for fall/winter 2011/2012. Would be great to get another Europe city or two.

User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

Maybe there's a discrepancy due to int'l and domestic pax. Domestic only (which is the way many Americans see it, and most DOT statistics are ranked) ORD should be larger. But overall (including int'l) MIA must be ahead, except for daily flights. Sorry, I don't have hard numbers.

User currently offlineAAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 5):
The way Miami is growing I wouldnt be surprised if they over took DFW in passengers but not flights...It has become their #2 hub overtaking ORD

Never say never. MIA has grown incredibly and the results there have been remarkable. Although I highly doubt we will see the above scenario play out. 55,000-60,000 passengers is an average day at DFW. Busy days top 70,000 boards. Once (if?) the 787/350 comes online, DFW will be able to leverage its nice geographic position and probably grow more as new markets will open up.

Quoting MiAAmi (Reply 15):
Im curious as to what AA has in store for fall/winter 2011/2012. Would be great to get another Europe city or two.

Would be nice. However these fuel prices are going to put a major hurting on future(medium term) growth plans...we all know what UA said this week.

[Edited 2011-03-19 22:17:59]


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User currently offlineN737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

Quoting FlyVail (Reply 11):
Now if AA would just do something about the 757 interiors...

Currently being refurbished.....

BTW, much of the growth at MIA has been at the demise of SJU. Many of the SJU traffic destin for the Caribbean are now routed via MIA. SJU is a shadow of its former self.

But domestic growth at MIA is definately happening. I remember when there was only 2 LAX-MIA flights. This is mainly due to the completion of the new terminal. Expect more direct flight to the Caribbean further negating the importance (if there is any) of SJU.

DFW is the the mothership and MIA will never out grow momma! DFW-BGI is a good example.


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1663 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 8):
AA's growth at MIA has been nothing short of amazing,

Could someone summarize what & where this growth has been? Why has it happened so recently?


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