avek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4236 posts, RR: 19 Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11379 times:
From the Wall Street Journal:
"Singapore Airlines Ltd. on Wednesday became the latest air carrier to implement contingency plans in the midst of Japan's natural disasters and radiation fears, indefinitely postponing the start of new Airbus A380 service between Los Angeles and Tokyo."
speedbird0125 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 184 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11171 times:
For current operation for SIN-NRT-LAX, I heard that they are going to make an additional stop at KIX.
SIN-NRT-KIX-LAX and LAX-NRT-KIX-SIN. Why do they fly to NRT and going backward all the way to KIX and then to LAX?
Asiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1091 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11058 times:
Quoting speedbird0125 (Reply 3): Why do they fly to NRT and going backward all the way to KIX and then to LAX?
All info is on SQs web.
"Changes to SQ11/12 routing
With effect from 17 March 2011 through 22 March 2011, flights SQ12 and SQ11 between Singapore and Los Angeles via Tokyo Narita will make an additional stop at Osaka Kansai airport. This is to ensure that our crew have sufficient rest, as aftershocks are still being experienced in Tokyo.
The flight details and timings are as follows:
SQ12 will depart Singapore at 0945hrs, arriving in Narita at 1720hrs. It will depart Narita at 1830hrs, arriving in Osaka at 1940hrs. It will then depart Osaka at 2040hrs, arriving in Los Angeles at 1400hrs.
SQ11 will depart Los Angeles at 1545hrs, arriving in Narita at 1925hrs the following day, before departing Narita at 2035hrs, arriving in Osaka at 2145hrs. It will then depart Osaka at 2245hrs, arriving in Singapore at 0445hrs the following day.
Postponement of launch of Narita – Los Angeles A380 services
In addition, Singapore Airlines is postponing the introduction of Airbus A380 services on flights SQ12 and SQ11 between Singapore and Los Angeles via Tokyo Narita until further notice. The flights will continue to be operated with Boeing 747-400 aircraft. "
bojangles From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 110 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9856 times:
Quoting ManekS (Reply 10): Wow, that additional stop won't be very pleasing to most passengers. I think they should give J pax the option to switch to SQ38, the nonstop SIN-LAX.
More pleasing that cancelling the flight entirely, I would imagine. I'm sure most pax are aware of the truly calamitous events that are currently unfolding in Japan and are thus inclined to be just a little understanding.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 23461 posts, RR: 50 Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9529 times:
SQ LA sales office states the NRT flight will revert to 77W later in April and not stay on 744 indefinitely as there are crewing issues with the small fleet that was slated to be drawn down.
Plans remain to bring the A380 on the market at the soonest opportunity once things stabilize in Japan.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Carfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1802 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9475 times:
Well people might be upset because SQ charges extra money for A380s and 77Ws featuring the new business class seats! I also presume suite class passengers will receive a refund! I am sure fare paying passengers will be given choices accordingly!
But good job on KIX stopover as crew rest is an issue in Asia! I presume SQ will decide weeks by weeks but two stops are not desirable in long term!
EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4401 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6452 times:
Quoting etoile (Reply 4): Quoting speedbird0125 (Reply 3):
Why do they fly to NRT and going backward all the way to KIX and then to LAX?
Probably to let the crews layover in KIX and not NRT.
Just to add probably SQ have arranged catering in KIX to reduce pressure in NRT?
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 8): The same thing happened with their CHC services - they flew through SYD and AKL on their way to and from CHC.
This was due to facilities in CHC not being able to provide Catering... Catering and fuel was uplifted from SYD...
Quoting huaiwei (Reply 9): "SIA said the stopovers are being made to refuel the aircraft as jet fuel rationing has been imposed by its supplier in Christchurch, where infrastructure has been affected."
At least SIN-SYD-CHC and SIN-AKL-CHC do not involve much backtracking?
Probably doesn't seem like the aircraft is back tracking but I would say the aircraft take a less direct routing going via SYD wouldn't you say?
nethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1022 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6391 times:
Very unfortuanately for all parties, Japan, SQ, Passengers.
With so 2 stop-overs from SIN to LAX, that would annoy everyone onboard, not just Biz/First class pax.
And since the pricing on J class non-stop and with 2 stops are different, I don't think, in any ciscumstances, SQ would waive fee on changing tickets on 744/2 stops to 345/non-stop. It's still business as usual for them after all.
With that being said, I'm still grateful to see SQ 744 flying the trans-pacific for some more time.
But, I'm confident that Japan will recover sooner than we all thought.
IndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2618 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6359 times:
Quoting huaiwei (Reply 7): With bullet trains or otherwise, many airlines still do fly to both NRT and KIX. If you consider this odd, then it must be odder still for SQ to fly to both NRT and HND and to both JFK and EWR!
You missed the point entirely, it seems. It had nothing to do with serving multiple airports in the same country/cities, it had to do with the inconvenience of flying pax via KIX and NRT on the full route to SIN or the LAX. Hence why I asked about the Bullet train and how it could have been used as a short term measure to alleviate the need to fly via both airports.
EK773 From Malta, joined Jul 2004, 225 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6187 times:
Quoting coolfish1103 (Reply 20): A better solution may be to have 2 sets of crews, 1 fly SIN-NRT and 1 fly NRT-LAX.
Thats a very long duty for those operating the NRT-LAX sector, counting from the time of duty sign in at SIN. More so, on the return trip when the set of crew would have to passenger LAX-NRT and then be expected to work NRT-SIN. Doubt their unions would allow it.
coolfish1103 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 393 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6136 times:
Quoting EK773 (Reply 22): Thats a very long duty for those operating the NRT-LAX sector, counting from the time of duty sign in at SIN. More so, on the return trip when the set of crew would have to passenger LAX-NRT and then be expected to work NRT-SIN.
Quoting etoile (Reply 23): Separate crews work those segments normally. I believe the issue is where the crewbase effectively is in view of the Fukushima problem.
I was thinking of something like...
Crew 1: SIN-NRT (Crew 2 being passengers)
Crew 2: NRT-LAX (Crew 1 being passengers)
Crew 1 & 2 both rest in LAX
Crew 1: LAX-NRT (Crew 2 being passengers) or LAX-SIN and have the crews on SIN-LAX to take over
Crew 2: NRT-SIN (Crew 1 being passengers) or same as above
It will take out approximately 20 seats per flight for crews?
Another thought could be to operate the flight as...
SIN-KIX-NRT v.v. and SIN-KIX-LAX v.v. where SIN and LAX bound passengers will fly SIN-KIX-LAX v.v. and NRT bound passengers will fly LAX-KIX-NRT v.v. or SIN-KIX-NRT v.v.
If they want 5th freedom rights, they can also alter the flight to SIN-TPE-NRT v.v. and SIN-TPE-LAX v.v. where SIN and LAX bound passengers will go through TPE instead of the long dreadful 2 stops and NRT bound passengers will fly LAX-TPE-NRT v.v. or SIN-TPE-NRT v.v.
Might be better ways to avoid the extra stops unless you are leaving or arriving at NRT, which you will take a hit no matter what due to crew base issues.
[Edited 2011-03-18 00:26:28]
25 RAGAZZO777: Does anyone know if SIA have a crew base in Tokyo ?
26 coolfish1103: Decide to scrap the idea.[Edited 2011-03-18 01:25:44]
27 LAXintl: SQ LAX office says Apr1-15 will be 744, then switch to 77W on April 16th due issues with keeping 744 flying any longer. A380 tentative planned for Jun
28 anrec80: Oddly enough, SQ flies to both HND and NRT, as well as to JFK via FRA and non-stop J-only service to EWR on 345.
29 nethkt: Wait, you are paxing Crew 1 all the way to Los Angeles? So SQ needs to pay more 20 hotel rooms in LA? Isn't it cheaper to pax crew 1 back to SIN on s
30 coolfish1103: Please, use your sarcastic tone somewhere else. I actually withdrew another idea, not the one I had posted. It's not like they don't have to pay for
31 LAXintl: SQ has updated its schedules. Now shows 77W remaining through end of the IATA summer schedule, with A380 to commence the LAX service starting on Oct 3