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LAM Moçambique Looks To Add FCO,PEK,Brasil,U.A.E.  
User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

According to a portuguese press, LAM Mozambique is targeting to expand long-haul operation after the resumption of Lisbon service.
New destinations to be added should be Rome, Beijing and some points in Brasil and United Arab Emirates.

source (Portuguese)
http://www.jornaldigital.com/noticias.php?noticia=25650

Quote:

Retomar a operação para Lisboa, na Europa, é um dos grandes objectivos aliados a outros destinos tais como Roma, também no continente europeu, Brasil na América do Sul, Beijing na Ásia e Emiratos Árabes Unidos no Médio Oriente, mercados esses que, de acordo com o plano estratégico de desenvolvimento do turismo, são apontados como nichos emergentes para Moçambique.


[Edited 2011-03-17 07:34:28]

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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
New destinations to be added should be Rome, Beijing and some points in Brasil and United Arab Emirates.

Perhaps a GRU-GIG-MPM service would be insteresting with a 763 up until 3x weekly. The business ties between the two countries are very construction-related and the contractors are based in these two cities, specially Rio.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3228 times:

If LAM is to start GRU, it'll face or give (depending who's asked) SA competition on the GRU-JNB route.
Something like a SIN-MPM-GRU route may seem quite interesting if Moçambique O/D can sustain Brazil service alone.
And since SA doesn't fly to MIA/FLL, a flight to Florida via REC/FOR could get quite a number of passengers from JNB and DUR.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3062 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
If LAM is to start GRU, it'll face or give (depending who's asked) SA competition on the GRU-JNB route.
Something like a SIN-MPM-GRU route may seem quite interesting if Moçambique O/D can sustain Brazil service alone.
And since SA doesn't fly to MIA/FLL, a flight to Florida via REC/FOR could get quite a number of passengers from JNB and DUR.
Quoting AF086 (Reply 1):
Perhaps a GRU-GIG-MPM service would be insteresting with a 763 up until 3x weekly. The business ties between the two countries are very construction-related and the contractors are based in these two cities, specially Rio

Large investment in Mozambique made by Brazilian corp: Vale. Large potential partnership: Petrobras. Large contractors: Odebrecht and Queiroz Galvao. Guess from where ? Rio.
Yes, a weekly MPM-GIG (as GIG is closer than any other place in Brazil) would be a nice addition. As 2travel2know remind, GRU can go thru JNB every day.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
MPM-GIG (as GIG is closer than any other place in Brazil)

From http://gc.kls2.com/

MPM (25°55'15"S 32°34'21"E) GIG (22°48'32"S 43°14'37"W) 254° (W) 4097 nm
MPM (25°55'15"S 32°34'21"E) REC (08°07'36"S 34°55'23"W) 272° (W) 3982 nm
MPM (25°55'15"S 32°34'21"E) SSA (12°54'40"S 38°19'52"W) 266° (W) 4051 nm

Guess which major Brazilian metropolitan area with international air-service is closest to MPM.
However, GIG would make more sense than GRU as long as SA doesn't do GIG.
REC or SSA would make sense as stop enroute to USA, if LAM wants to venture that far and after it's to open GIG or GRU.



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User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

I could see LAM in Brazil, DXB, and definitely PEK. Mozambique has the O/D traffic to support those routes. Any other routes would require LAM to beef up its (pretty much non-existent) regional network as they would depend heavily upon connecting passengers. You will not see LAM in the USA...the USA-Mozambique market is minuscule.

I would hate to see LAM fall into the trap that many smaller African carriers fall into by launching a bunch of long-haul "prestige" routes that they are really unable to be competitive on due to frequency and business contract issues. I would prefer that they focus on building strength in the much more lucrative intra-Africa markets. The yields on most intra-Africa flights are usually very high due to the lack of competition.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8373 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

They have exactly 1 763. This news amounts to little more than wishful thinking, or code-sharing at best.
They would be very hard pressed to obtain ETOPS certification which essentially rules out any MPM-Brazil routes.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17504 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 6):
They have exactly 1 763. This news amounts to little more than wishful thinking,

Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen ala UM. Mozambique has a lot going for it but I'd focus on building up a solid regional schedule first before losing it all on a handful of longhaul widebody routes.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
focus on building up a solid regional schedule first before losing it all on a handful of longhaul widebody routes.

Rightnow 3-5 weekly LIS and in a near future twice weekly Brazil - if B767-300ER ETOPS - may be the only routes that won't make LAM bleed.



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8373 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 8):
Rightnow 3-5 weekly LIS and in a near future twice weekly Brazil - if B767-300ER ETOPS - may be the only routes that won't make LAM bleed.

For whatever reason, Rome and Paris were sustainable in the past. Keep in mind that there is a lot of NGO/Diplomatic/Political/VFR traffic on these routes. Italy and France have always had a significant presence in rebuilding Mozambique so I'd expect to see them back in FCO or CDG before any route to Brazil which can be better served with SA and/or DT code-share.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2177 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 4):
MPM (25°55'15"S 32°34'21"E) GIG (22°48'32"S 43°14'37"W) 254° (W) 4097 nm
MPM (25°55'15"S 32°34'21"E) REC (08°07'36"S 34°55'23"W) 272° (W) 3982 nm
MPM (25°55'15"S 32°34'21"E) SSA (12°54'40"S 38°19'52"W) 266° (W) 4051 nm

REC and SSA are not the best places for connections for the business market. Seasonal services can for sure exist on xmas season.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17504 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):
Rome and Paris were sustainable in the past. Keep in mind that there is a lot of NGO/Diplomatic/Political/VFR traffic on these routes

They're flying whatever airline has the schedule and mileage plan that benefits them the most, which is not going to be TM.



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

Starting this summer ET will have a daily FCO flight and 6 weekly CDG flights that offer immediate connection to a daily MPM flight. Looks like an upbeatable schedule.

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8373 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
They're flying whatever airline has the schedule and mileage plan that benefits them the most, which is not going to be TM.

Not necessarily. Usually those contracts come with strings attached to fly the national carrier, just like in Angola where companies that want to do business in Angola have to take some of their business to DT.


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