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El Al Overfly Morocco?  
User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3451 posts, RR: 6
Posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3625 times:

Today's flight ELY042 GRU-TLV routed via the western Moroccan coasts then right overhead Tangiers then Spain... and this is bit curious due to political issues ! I thought El Al wasn't authorized to use Casablanca, nor Algiers, nor even Beirut FIRs. Of course it would have been better, shorter, and more economic if they route "normally" through Malta, Tunisia, Algeria... down to South America.

N.B. please do not consider this thread flamebate  

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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

I thought Morocco was a bit more relaxed on the subject than other Arab nations?

For example, you can even enter Morrocco on an Israeli passport (provided you got a visa in advance).



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7404 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

The "No-Fly zone" over Libya and the air strikes over Tripoli and Benghazi can be a reason ....

Several other airline's routes are afected by this conflict.
I know MEA's flights from BEY to West Africa are now taking a different longer route to avoid the region.

[Edited 2011-03-21 03:18:01]

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2488 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

Morocco, althouhgh not really recognizing the State of Israel, is relaxed towards Israelis. It has its own consular section in Tel Aviv and a lot of Israelis visit Morocco on guided tours or business. Morocco is encouraging Israelis especially from Moroccon origins to visit the country. That's the way to go...

So I guess, there won't be any problem having EL AL overflying Morocco.



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User currently offlineacelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

I normally see this flight passing over the Canaries heading North or South most days. So it does seem to take a rather in- direct routing.


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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3451 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3332 times:

It has nothing to do with the No-Fly Zone in Libya. Never an El Al flight has routed through Libya though.

User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 5):
It has nothing to do with the No-Fly Zone in Libya. Never an El Al flight has routed through Libya though.

Agreed. This map is a good way to illustrate the issue:



Both Libya and Sudan do not recognise Israel and refuse entry to Israelis. This means the shortest routes to GRU are blocked. Therefore El Al has to fly around Africa rather than cut across it. Being allowed to fly through Morrocan airspace saves them a little bit of time and distance on what is already a very substantial detour.



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

Morocco does not ban Israeli aircraft or investment. Some of this is due to a more relaxed attitude politically, some of this is a matter of practicality...also, Morocco's government has had unofficial political, intelligence, and military relations with Israel's for decades. This overflight permission is part of the unofficial agreement (Israel assists Moroccan intelligence on the W. Sahara situation).

A lot of Israelis do travel to Morocco for guided tours, business, and other reasons - a lot of Israeli academics, for example, conduct Arab-based studies in Morocco - normally, they fly through MAD on IB, CDG on AF, IST on TK or AMM on RJ. A similar situation exists for one or two of the Gulf States.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 3):
That's the way to go...

Why? I dont understand people from West getting all excited about exemptions allowed to Israel by Muslim countries, whats with it?


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2488 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 8):
Why? I dont understand people from West getting all excited about exemptions allowed to Israel by Muslim countries, whats with it?

I am Tunisian and I am against confrontation and troubles. Tunisia allows Israelis to enter and it should remain like that. It is by getting together that things will improve and not the opposite. So if Arab or Muslim countries allow Israeli Jets to to overfly them, than that's great...



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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 8):
Why? I dont understand people from West getting all excited about exemptions allowed to Israel by Muslim countries, whats with it?

I'm not sure if I'm reading your statement correctly. Are you saying it's a good thing or a bad thing that certain countries don't allow El Al to overfly them?

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 9):
It is by getting together that things will improve and not the opposite.

   It is long overdue. I mean seriously, step back and think about this 777way. It's 2011 and a good chunk of the Arab & Muslim world refuses to let commercial jetliners from ONE country overfly their territory. It is just racist and ridiculous. It makes the Arab world look xenophobic and illiberal.


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