NDiesel From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 99 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21647 times:
First off, great to finally join A.Net as a member after several years of interesting reading! I adore civil aviation more than most, but I struggle with a fear of turbulence. Silly, I know, but a good topic for my first post perhaps?
Exactly two years ago, flying AMS-DXB on a B777-200ER with KLM, we hit, according to the PIC, severe turbulence during decent. Prior to this I flew long-haul about twice a year yet never encountered winds as strong. Being seated in the back I was hoping the 777's feature to counteract strong sideway-motions would assist somewhat, but alas no. Since then I've dreaded even the idea of flying through storms, especially at night. Statistically I know this is no problem at all - planes always land (almost) but my fear of flying has since worsened, and I cannot think of anything more annoying. I love flying and consider it as close to magic as it can get, hence I hate that I don't travel as much anymore due to those 15 minutes in 2009.
What are your experiences with "the big one," the shake of your life so to say? Anyone with similar experiences who now fly fearlessly again?
Thank you for your insights
Delta MD-11 JFK-CDG - Upon sunrise I fell in love with Aviation
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11734 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21626 times:
I've been on my fair share of bumpy flights, and one I took in January was bar none the bumpiest flight I have ever been on. But the way I think about turbulence is this: if you were riding in a car at 30 miles and hour down a dirt road with a few potholes maybe in it, it would shake you more than most turbulence does. If driving down the bumpy road doesn't scare you, don't let turbulence scare you.
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CXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2738 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21583 times:
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It's not so much a fear of turbulence for me as a dislike of turbulence. I suffer from motion sickness, and sometimes, even the slightest turbulence can get me reaching for the sick bag. But I don't fear it - I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the aircraft can handle the turbulence. The worst turbulence I've ever encountered was probably 'moderate', on an SQ A343 flying from ICN-YVR. The thought on my mind at the time was how long I can hold off from using the sick bag, not whether I'll get through at the end of it. I had the sick bag open in front of me, but thankfully I never had to use it.
I've never had to use the sick bag in an airliner so far. Has my experience with turbulence shook me up? Yes, but only to the extent of knowing where my limits are before having to use the sick bag - which is significantly lower than what the aircraft can handle. I feel absolutely safe, even in turbulence. Maybe my opinion would change if I ever experienced 'severe' turbulence.
eaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21535 times:
I had a particularly bad flight about 2 years ago on a F-50. The aircraft had a couple of rather large drops during cruise. There was no warning. I had flown hundreds of times before but never experienced such drops. People were crying and screaming.
After that I was rather scared to fly but I decided that I wouldn't let it stop me. I was most stressed during cruise but not during take off or landing.
The only thing that made it better was time. I have probably flown on 30 flights since then and on every flight I became more comfortable. Today I am fine but for the first couple of flights after that I was stressed.
PlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 567 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21483 times:
I am in the same boat as you are, but lately my concern has been lessening as I force my emotions to recede. For me, it really is my rational mind over my emotional one. Part of the joy and beauty of flying (the emotional attraction) is, for me, is that idea that somehow this should not be possible, but it really is. When I hit moderate turbulence it makes me think that is really isn't possible despite the facts (even moderate turbulence bothers me when traveling with my kids as we are about to do over the next several months). The technology also amazes me in terms of ability, safety, and how reliable it is - the rational side. I have also talked with some folks in airline training and am impressed by the level and thoroughness of the programs. I force my mind to focus on these things.
Have you ever watched youtubes of crosswind landings or the 777 wing test? If not, I suggest that you do. For me it appeals to both sides though I really wouldn't enjoy those landings. The wing tests really show what the plane, in this case the 777 you mentioned, can take. The cross wind landings speak to the skill of the pilots, crews, and also to what the planes are capable of. While I am partial to Boeings, the A380 incident with the uncontained engine failure really gave me a lot of confidence in both the aircraft and the crew.
It's not silly, it's rather common actually. You should relax, though...turbulence is how you know the wings are still attached to the fuselage. And as unlikely as you are to die in a crash...if it were to happen it is further unlikely that turbulence caused it.
Had the "ride of my life" on BNA-ATL on a DL conx E175 a few years ago. 40 solid minutes of mad up-and-down...people using and re-using the barf bags right and left. Dude sitting next to me in uniform, on his way to catch his ride to Iraq, was gripping the armrests so hard his knuckles were solid white...and he was a black guy. While disembarking I noticed his uniform said "Air Force" which gave me a chuckle. (I know he may not have a flying job, but still.)
It's no big deal, really. It can get uncomfortable, especially when they discontinue cabin service, but if you just stay in your seat you have nothing to worry about.
LGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21434 times:
Welcome to A.net, joined only recently too.
I was on a US 734 going from CLT-EWR on the 28th December 2010, when we hit some quite severe turbulence somewhere over Philadelphia. On flights before I have experienced some turbulence but not quite like what I did on US. For the first couple seconds it made me a bit edgy but I don't have a fear of flying from it because you know as they say "People have a less chance of crashing on a plane from turbulence etc... than the journey to the airport itself". Good luck for the future, I hope you can overcome your fear of turbulence and get back into the skies!
travelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1747 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21404 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 1): if you were riding in a car at 30 miles and hour down a dirt road with a few potholes maybe in it, it would shake you more than most turbulence does. If driving down the bumpy road doesn't scare you, don't let turbulence scare you.
That's the analogy I always use when explaining turbulence to friends/colleagues who have anxiety to fly. With normal turbulence a glass of water on the tray-table normally doesn't spill, but doing the same in a car that is, even slowly, going over a dirt road or a Belgian highway ( ), will almost certainly result in wet pants.
Quoting NDiesel (Thread starter): What are your experiences with "the big one," the shake of your life so to say? Anyone with similar experiences who now fly fearlessly again?
I really love turbulence. It's the perfect way to bring some joy and excitement in otherwise tedious long-haul flights. The stronger, the better, in my case. My favorite row to sit is always in the back. I just love those drops and rises, and to be really honest, I sometimes enjoy the terrified looks on the faces around me (shame on me ).
An SQ flight from AMS to SIN in '08 still had the strongest turbulence I encountered, 2 hours out of SIN the roller coaster ride started and kept on going for approx. 15 minutes. This was full blown turbulence where my butt even lifted of the seat for the briefest of moments, pure joy
My advice to you would to just enjoy the ride. You as an aviation enthusiast know like I do that airliners can take a HECK of a beating. Just search Avherald.com for turbulence related incidents, in 99.999999% of those cases the only injuries are passengers/crew not being strapped in. Just make sure you are belted up when you're in seat and than there is absolutly nothing to worry about.
Youtube is blocked from my office, but if you search on terms like Fear of Flying turbulence you find a lot of videos that might be helpfull. Also cockpit footage during moderate turbulence when on Autopilot, this will show you that the airplane in reality isn't moving that much.
captainstefan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 21356 times:
My most thrilling experience was on takeoff of UA850 PEK-ORD. As soon as we lifted off we were immediately hit with some pretty heavy chop, which continued until we were turned north and at about 11000 feet. I'm guessing that this turbulence is typical of departing PEK, due to the mountains surrounding the city and the temperature change after sunset. I've never bounced so much on an airplane - not that I'm complaining, I thought (aside from the inherent terror of bouncing around in an 800,000 pound machine) that it was a lot of fun, kind of like a roller coaster that doesn't let you see what's coming next
oneworld77 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 21208 times:
Quoting captainstefan (Reply 8): kind of like a roller coaster that doesn't let you see what's coming next
Used to absolutely love turbulence....until November 2009. Horrific flight from DUB-CWL - bad (pax perspective) turbulence -seat belt sign on the whole hour, no crew movement, 3rd time lucky on approach, screaming, donating my plastic bag to a lady in front as all other bags had been used up. Wild side to side movement (sea-sky; sea-sky; sea-sky) on finals.
Ever since then it is the unknowing element -as captainstefan said - that scares the bejimminy almighty out of me. Really weird that one experience can change one's view of travel. I'm on edge the whole time (flew ICN-MNL earlier this year and was petrified when PIC announced "crew take seats immediately" and we were thrown around for a few minutes) - so nervous of flying into MAD during summer months (renowned for low level turbulence on approach) - try not to use Props or Avro's when flying UK to Ireland and vv.
I wish I could just go back to where I was before that Aer Arann/Aer Lingus Regional flight in late 2009 - any hints? It hasn't stopped me travelling but now I'm comforted by my partner - whereas it used to be very much the other way round.
LAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 21171 times:
In my experiance, flying to and from South America is pretty bumpy for about 2 hours or so before and and after the equator. Also flying over the Pacific and Atlantic during the winter months is pretty rough.
The worst turbulence Ive ever experianced was on AA flight 60 from NRT to DFW last May. It only lasted for 10 minutes or so but it was bad enough to throw the service carts around in the back of the plane and throw items from around cabin into the ceiling.
But frankly, I would rather have that than the continuous turbulence thats more mild. Its just unformfortable. I flew MIA-LIM last January and it was a solid 3 hours of light to moderate turbulence. That was just annoying. Thank god I was in business class and I could stretch out. I would see the FA's running into coach with sick bags by the handful. Thankfully, nobody got sick in J.
btblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 585 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 21165 times:
I took my first long haul flight boxing day '99 from Gatwick to Nairobi with BA (747, never got the reg, just in case anybody can help me).
There were horrendous storms (that caused a lot of damage to parts or Paris) over France, and as a result some absolutely dreadful turbulence on climb to our cruising altitude and at the time, I hadn't much experience flying through turbulence.
I remember sitting in my seat, 56K, swaying around and watching everybody's heads moving about as the plane rolled sideways and up and down. This went on for a good 15 minutes and scared the life out of me, especially when it felt as though we'd hit a brick wall and we just dropped, my drink spilling all over and my stomach feeling as though it was up in the overhead with my bags. Then there was the massive roar of the engines rocketing us back up to our cruising altitude, I remember that well!
I was reassured by watching the crew, they did run around a lot, and the odd trolly knocked onto a few seats but they were very professional and I think that helped me deal with the situation and realise while it wasn't the norm, it was part and parcel of flying and perfectly fine. The flight back a week later was smooth and uneventful, so that put to rest any fears.
About a hundred flights later, I took a flight with Ryanair, out of Dublin to East Midlands in 2007. Again, we hit some very bad turbulence. I was sat next to the window, at the back overlooking the wing. As we were climbing the plane banked sharply to the right and back letft and right. I could see the lights below and then watched them disappear as the plane corrected itself, this went on for a good five minutes.
The situation was made made worse by a woman behind me screaming, shouting 'we're going to die', 'I don't want to die, oh, my god' and crying uncontrollably, creaming like you would not believe. Now that, as rational as I am, scared the life out of me. I had that moment where, for a nano second I thought, is this it? Then I started to laugh (a reflex I think) and calmed her down, telling her it was okay, it was just turbulence...
I've been fine since then, despite allowing my fear to get the better of me for a moment on the odd occasion.
Now I actually enjoy a bit of turbulence (I got an upgrade to upper on a Virgin A346, Seat 1A and turbulence over the Bristol Channel and Irish Sea was fun (assisted with lots of alcohol). I do not see turbulence as something dangerous and it's like the norm on some flights... and always a good excuse to clear the isles of those annoying passengers who insist on doing exercises and walking up and down the aisles getting in the way of the crew and noseying at you. Agh!
I like to think I know enough about aviation, to tell myself that aircraft have systems built to counteract such events. Sure, I know of the bad things that can happen (AF447) but, that's worse case. Plus, you're likely to die in a car crash, right?
daviation From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 20787 times:
You know that intellectually you have nothing to worry about. But fear is irrational, so a discussion of the facts is probably not going to help conquer your fear.
I have been on several hundred flights by now, but back in 1973 I was in college, flying on an AA DC-10 from BUF to LGA. In all the years since, I recall that this was the worst experience I had with turbulence. It was nearly black flying through the clouds - and it was noon! Violent winds, hail, thunder. The airport was temporarily closed and we circled through a tropical storm. I was nearly hallucinating from fear.
That shook me up for awhile, so I used variously valium or wine until I felt truly comfortable again with flying. I've had my share of uncomfortable rides since 1973, but I have no fear anymore. You might want to try a pill or a drink until you become comfortable again.
I know what you're saying but for me I become very conscious of how high up I am (Duh!! I know!!) when turbulence hits. Never any other time am I conscious of how high I am - only since that see-sawing on the prop into CWL - except when on an a turbulent flight.
It's the not knowing what's next (particularly in dark like the OP) - on a road you can see the ruts and potholes and dips and drops and sharp rises etc. I can't see what's next and ongoing mild turbulence that suddenly leads to a drop or a severe bout of shaking....how long will it last? What's next? Why is the sky below me? (well - not quite, but you get the idea!!). Will the person please stop vomiting? Will she please stop screaming? Why is her fear more vocal than mine? Why does the cabin crew look scared?
And on and on and on!!
Pure irrationality - but how is it solved?
type-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 20609 times:
Just remember that even though the aircraft is shaking and making noises it IS still flying. Even when you feel like you are dropping, there is air moving over the wings and the aircraft is still flying.
One time I was on a flight that may have had an altitude of 28,000 ft. The clouds were about 27,950 or near that and we had mild turbulence. The cloud tops were as flat as could be. It really did look and feel like we were on a bumpy road.
Personally, I enjoy a bit of turbulence.
Have you ever noticed that some airlines refer to it as "bumpy air" rather then turbulence? Put that way it's less threatening sounding to the passengers. They think of everything, don't they?
Stabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 20567 times:
First off, welcome to A.net. I used to be terrified of turbulence. The slightest chop set me off. The worst flight was HNL-PHX...upon reaching cruise we got tossed around by the jet stream. The pilot classified it a severe but looking back I'd call it moderate. I even had an anxiety attack on a MIA-ATL flight back in 8th grade because of the turbulence on approach.
What really helped me get over it was flying a little Piper Warrior a few summers ago, and this past fall when I started flight training at UND. Crop harvest was over up here which meant the black soil of all the fields generated a lot of convective turbulence. When I first took off I wanted to turn around and land and save the lesson for another day. But I kept looking at my display...I was still climbing, and I was at a steady airspeed. Alas, I wasn't crashing. Since a few summers ago, I haven't had a problem about turb.
I know for me, at least, my biggest problem from turbulence was not being in control. Seeing it from the pilot's perspective has helped me cope.
So we beat on against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.
sq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1657 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 20543 times:
Quoting NDiesel (Thread starter): What are your experiences with "the big one," the shake of your life so to say? Anyone with similar experiences who now fly fearlessly again?
Working as cabin crew I have to endure turbulence quite frequently, and I don't mind it at all. It does make conducting a meal or beverage service rather cumbersome sometimes when its turbulence at cruise altitude, but its never a big deal. Encountering severe turbulence on take off or on approach sometimes is a bit more unerving, but still not a big deal especially after our training.
There was however one time that kind of jarred me. We were on approach into Dhaka during the monsoon season and it was raining cats and dogs outside - in fact we later learned the aiport closed down after we landed and that several flights behind us diverted. Flight deck notified us of the expected bumpy approach so we secured the cabin early. I have never seen a 777 get tossed around the way we did - drop after drop after drop, followed by sudden up drafts then continious drops again. Passengers were screaming, two overhead lockers in my view unlatched and bags fell off, and you could hear all these noises coming from the galley (I was seated at L5). You could really feel the guys up front fighting the terrible crosswinds, and when we finally landed we hit the ground with a huge thud. When we were on finals and I peered out the window and could barely see anything outside but dark clouds and lightning, I kind of thought to myself for a split second all my life decisions had led me to this point, landing in the middle of a monsoon in Bangladesh. I looked across the aircraft to my colleague seated at R5 and she gave me this little nod, and we both kind of acknowledged each other kind of communicating to each other to be on extra alert should the worst happen - then went back to going over safety drills mentally.
After landing and after the visibly shaken passengers disembarked the crew got together in the Business Class cabin, had a quick debrief about it and everyone patted the two pilots on the back, and went on to our hotel for a fun layover...
shankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1553 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 20410 times:
June 9th last year somewhere over Belgium on QR002, an A330-300, I was reminded of the disturbing impact of turbulence on passengers.
I do a fair bit of African, ME and Asian flying as a pax and accordingly turbulence is part of the course...normally a jolt in the early hours which wakes you up from slumber or a bumpy day flight dodging thunderheads. Sometimes not pleasant, but never disturbing
But for nearly 30 minutes on 9th June, I thought my luck had run out
Out of LHR the pilot briefing was for a smooth ride all the way to Doha. About 35 mins out over Belgium came the first nudge. The drinks round had just commenced and the cabing mood was buzzing; like me and my pals, most pax were on their way to SA for the World Cup. Within a minute or so of the first nudge, the seat belt sign came on and unusually the drinks carts retreated into the rear galley. The nudges became chop, but still nothing exciting
Another 5 mins passed of chop. At this point a single cabin crew member was making her way up the aisle. A fellow crew member emerged from the rear galley and shouted across the cabin to her "sit down, NOW!". This is QR I thought, nothing like that usually happens.
And then hell broke loose. The A333 was yawing and pitching in a very uncomfortable manner...I wouldn't say violently, but the movement within the cabin was very discernable. The auto throttles were working overtime with engine thrust varying dramatically to the point of creating a very disturbing sensation and noise in the cabin.
I thought bugger, this might be it!. Putting on the flight tracker I noted we had diverged course from East to due South. That at least gave me some comfort in that what ever was out their, the crew were attempting to fly around it rather than through it.
We continued our Southerly course for 20 mins. The mighty A333 taking the hits in its stride albeit with the occaisonal scream within an otherwise silent cabin. Some movements were simply astounding...not up and down bumps, but wave like motions with the nose yawing left and right
And then as quickly as it started, it ended. A turn left put us back on our Easterly course and nearly seven hours later we arrived safely in Doha.
pylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 20396 times:
As a true aviation enthusiast I don't fear turbulence - but to some extend.
There is point when neither knowledge nor hundreds of flights flown - nothing works.
And then the natural fear just makes me panic.
Nothern Atlantic is one of places where fun is quaranteed.
And to be honest - I can't get rid of the thought of AF447. I try - but I can't.
NDiesel From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 20245 times:
Quoting AirNZ (Reply 12): Valid only to a point yes......but the two are very different perceptions/feelings entirely.
Quoting flaps30 (Reply 20): I agree. The two are different. If you are driving a car, you are in control. When in a plane, everything is completely out of your control and I think that is where the anxiety comes from.
You're right - in a car you almost always know what's coming. On a plane you don't. The prospect of not being in control is what sets off the anxiety. Strangely enough it makes me consider taking some flying lessons, for fun (and educational purposes)
The flight to DXB was bad enough - yet the return flight is what marks the beginning of this inhibiting fear. 5 minutes after T/O, right after the seatbelt-signs were turned off I couldn't remain in my seat - this was a first. I got up and headed straight for the galley where I spent most of the 8 mildly bumpy hours back to AMS, strapped into one of the jumpseats. Hats off to the crew for their attentiveness, I even wrote KLM afterwards to commemorate them.
What I like however is to hear that even the most experienced of you can relate to this. Comforting somehow
Delta MD-11 JFK-CDG - Upon sunrise I fell in love with Aviation
keagkid101 From Portugal, joined Mar 2010, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 20204 times:
Bumpiest flight for me so far in my life was a B6 flight from BWI-BOS. About 30 seconds after take-off, moderate turbulence began and lasted for the whole 58 minute flight. Cabin crew was asked to remain seated for the whole flight. Captain said that they were looking into diverting us over the Atlantic (is that normal) for the flight for some smoother air, but we did not. I love turbulence--makes a boring flight exciting.
: My parents think I'm crazy, but I always hope for some nice chop. Not little bumps (so annoying when stuck in your seat due to what seems like nothin
: Very interesting topic, My fear during the turbulences is related to what the plane goes through. For example, on a VS 346, whenever it starts shaking
: Hi NDiesel! Welcome to A-net. I am a reformed "fearful flyer". It started after an absolutely hellacious landing into Mexico City on a regional flight
: This may sound goofy, but I have found that playing flight simulator games really helps with fear of flying. I think it's because it puts you in the p
: Welcome aboard! I share your nervousness about turbulence, and will say that I found flying over the Pacific, especially, around Japan, during the win
: Busch Gardens has rougher rides than planes do...and there your drink would definitely spill! I personally like the feel in my stomach.
: Well, NDiesel knows full well that the fear is irrational, but still has the fear. The first part is probably a useful step. So how to conquer a fear
: As a kid, I was scared of turbulence. However, after flying to PSP on a Skywest EMB 120 several times in the heat of summer, I learned to cope with it
: While I am not afraid of turbulence, I rather not have it on my flights. I fly fairly often and I have three situations that stand out as the worst tu
: I'm the same. A year or so ago, I was on a Mesa CRJ and it was bad turbulence: up, drop, up, side to side, everything, through a thunderstorm. For me
: I've had my fair share of experiences with turbulence. My advice is to not let it get to you! The air is rarely completely smooth, but i will tell you
: Totally different thoughts though. Our thought during turbulence is that if this goes pear-shaped, I have a 30 thousand foot drop to look forward to.
: I once flew a C172 through an area previously reported by a 737 to have severe turbulence. Let's just say I slammed my head against the ceiling more t
: Out of all the different kinds of turbulence out there, the kind that spooks me the most is turbulence on landing. For me, Crosswind landings are the
: Flaps increase lift and drag. The only thing that dumps lift on the wing is a spoiler. Quite the opposite. They are usually well over 60% power for l
: If you had to go with your wife to those child birth classes you should know breathing techniques they teach you. I usually turn on some smooth jazz m
: I consider turbulence strong when I can't read my book (because of the bouncing). When that happens, I just close my book and enjoy the ride! I choose
: I can deal with light stuff but if it gets more than that I become a nervous wreck. I can actually deal with moderate to heavy "bumps" but when you st
: As previous posters have stated, not afraid of turbulence, but prefer if it didn't happen. If it has to happen, just a little, please. I also apprecia
: I have always loved planes ever since I was a kid especially passenger jets. I had two experiences that till this day still kinda make my palms sweaty
: What do you guys think the most turbulent areas of the world are? In my opinion, Trans Pacific and Trans Atlantic flying during the winter is worst. F
: My worst turbulence experience was around 10 years ago, in either a United or Northwest 747 flying JFK-NRT. (I flew that route twice that same year, o
: You should read the transcript of the Evergreen 747 in ANC that lost an engine in severe turbulence.. http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR93-0
: I think the issue for most people is not so much not being in control, but rather not knowing what's going on. But your suggestion to fly a small pla
: Not having a frame of reference can throw you waaaaaaay off. One of my favourite experiences was decending towards YHZ, we entered a cloud as we were
: How much can an aircraft actually "drop" in turbulence? I've read stories of aircraft dropping thousands of feet in severe turbulence. Can this actual
: I've been on airplanes my whole life, but only 10 years ago did I finally overcome a really bad motion sickness. If I ever saw someone throw up I prob
: Which airline/route? It's an uncommon aircraft to fly on for an American That's a coincidence. My scariest (of 820) flights was also on Aer Arann, a
: Love the stories....and everyone who flies has one. I have had the great privelage to fly quite a bit over the years and to be honest, have more turbu
: Well, eeuhh, I do! Very much so in fact. And reading through the thread there are at least 2 people in agreement with me Haha my girlfriend seems to
: yeah should have said "most people don't like"
: I am a couple million miler, top tier on UA, QF and EK and I don't like heavy turbulence, particularly at night or due to storms. I have great confide
: Holy crap, what airline was this?! I'll try to avoid any airline where the pilots let an airliner actually stall. Are you sure this was actually the
: That was the diagnosis. Flight crew, after recovery and several shaken moments later, called it an atmospheric anomaly, but then later got an explana
: If you hit a severe enough wind shear, you can either 1) stall the plane, or 2) overspeed it. It's not like the pilots intentionally did it for kicks
: I understand, but MileHigh wrote; Trying to get above weather is one thing, getting into the coffin corner and stalling trying that is something comp
: Black heats up, the air above it heats more than the surrounding, causing the air above the black soil to rise. I fly gliders, I should know (always
: The notorious Bay of Bengal... Had my heaviest turbulence experience in the same place, SIN-CDG on Air France. Also lasted no more than 15 mins, but
: Turbulenceforecast.com is a great site and I use it alot to help my see what to expect in flgiht> Mrs Pumaknight has a love/hate realtionship with
: While I have flown several hundred thousand miles in my lifetime, I am one who gets uneasy with severe turbulance. Once about 5 minutes departing LGW
: If it was freshly turned soil, yeah, you're right, but when I think black, I think wet/moisture soaked soil, and that sinks.[Edited 2011-03-22 05:39:
: Welcome to a.net! While not complete piece of mind, just know that you are not alone. I was like you for a while until my daughter was born, then for
: I used this when I flew BWI - LAX last month on one of the stormiest days. I was expecting the worst, but we only had a couple of small bumps.
: I had my worst experience actually, last summer on UA 839 LAX-SYD. The flight is entirely in the dark, entirely over water. I HATE turbulence at night
: Indeed, the fields were dry due to the immense heat that week. Also as a funny note, when you turn crosswind up in GFK you fly over Highway 2. In the
: I love Turbulence, then I also love bonkers roller coasters. Worst was in early '70's on a Caravelle coming back from Casablanca,hit a thunderstorm to
: Thanks for the video, just love the feeling of landing followed by the "welcome" announcement by the cabin crew. Another interesting question: Are th
: I have had this experience too. On another trip to Japan, we connected at NRT for ITM, and I was going on about 28 hours without sleep at that point.
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: Not if you're a passenger! The analogy is still there - if you're not scared being a passenger on a bumpy road, you shouldn't let turbulence scare yo
: Oh come on, this is a ridiculous comparison. Sure, the bumps and thuds are about the same, but most people in an airplane who are 'afraid of turbulen
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: The bumps you feel on a road are actually a cause for a wreck though. Bumps in the air are not. I think most people acknowledge that their fear of tu
: I hate turbulence in small planes. My worst was a few years ago, flying AMS-MAA on a Fokker 50. From liftoff to touchdown, the whole flight was in a s
: I didn't mean to pick on you in my earlier post... what I was getting at is that knowledge, logic and statistics don't matter when somebody is afraid
: You aren't alone. I've worked for regulatory agencies in two countries, an FBO and a regional airline. And I hate turbulence. And roller coasters. Rea
: Turbulence is more of a nuisance than an actual fear for me, but sometimes I do feel a little uneasy whenever my flights pass through rough weather an
: I can handle side-to-side. It's the up-and-down that gets me. I do NOT like feeling like I'm falling. I have never once been even remotely motion sick
: Would you have enjoyed being a passenger on the BOAC 707 in March 1966, that disintegrated in severe turbulence soon after takeoff from HND, killing
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: No worries. If you want to get over your fear of turbulence however, this is exactly the comparison you need to make. You compare it to something tha
: And now added to my Respected List. Great observation!
: yep, love me some turbulence to dose off, although I was pretty afraid as a kid.
: Once from MIA to LGA we were coming in during a storm, it was an early morning flight operated by NK. The pilots came on and made us aware of the fact
: What? That I know where my genitals are? I was about 2 when I figured that out. Perhaps younger. Glad to know that I filled ya in, though! (Sorry, bu
: How accurate is this really? To me, predicting turbulence is kinda like trying to predict an earthquake. I have been on many flights when the captain
: Very true, but like any forecast, being prepared is half the battle. The forecast is an indicator of the predominant weather pattern at that given ti
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: Turbulence article on CNN. How much do you want to bet that this writer was reading this thread? http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/03/28...assenger.safet
: I'd bet a lot. Cool - We made it to CNN.
: The worst turbulence I've ever experienced was on a flight between CLE and LGA back in 1996 on a CO 735. We were flying on a day when the northeastern
: Once I was flying into DEN on an ERJ. It was pretty bumpy but nothing extreme on final. Then suddenly the plane dropped significantly. it was probably