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WN CEO Addresses New 737 & FL Cities  
User currently offlineav8orwalk From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 18304 times:

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...on-0322?cid=nl_atw_dn&YM_RID#email

As a shareholder, I'm very excited about the future of Southwest. It's nice to finally get some insight as to their plans with the pending acquisition of AirTran.

Cheers,
Drew MCO


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User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 18180 times:

So I might be putting the cart before the horse, but it appears that Des Moines will finally be get it's wish...

User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 18130 times:

Quoting av8orwalk (Thread starter):
As a shareholder, I'm very excited about the future of Southwest. It's nice to finally get some insight as to their plans with the pending acquisition of AirTran.

As a fellow shareholder, I'm also looking forward to an exciting future at WN. I also expect them to do a full due diligence on all fleet options so I don't see Boeing as the default answer, though they are the likely strong candidate IF they can provide the aircraft WN wants. This statement in the article I found interesting:

"What is inevitable is that the next-generation aircraft for Southwest Airlines … may very well be a different airplane, whether it’s Boeing, whether it’s Airbus or whether it’s Bombardier … We don't want eight different airplanes but I think we can handle two or three."

..leaves the door open to a lot of options size wise. One problem WN may have is that the rumoured size configuration for the 737 replacement might just be too big for many of WN's routes, would they be "forced" to look elsewhere for the majority of the fleet??


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3867 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 18010 times:

There was a similar blog posting on the same subject in the Dallas Morning News yesterday.

Gary Kelly talks about Southwest Airlines, airplanes, Rapid Rewards, AirTran and other things

The Dallas Morning news posting notes that:

Quote:
Southwest has put its work to replace its reservation system technology on the backburner as it concentrates on three more urgent projects.

It is focusing on launching the Rapid Rewards changes, its pending merger and integration with AirTran Airways and the early 2012 arrival of its Boeing 737-800s.

Later, the posting says:

Quote:
Southwest Airlines won't be flying to any international destinations for several years[ because it needs the new reservations system before it can handle international itineraries.

"The current Southwest legacy technology is all domestic," Kelly said. "It's worked very well for 40 years. We need a new system for the next 40 years."

Southwest doesn't plan any quick changes to AirTran's route system at the outset.

"We have no plans to close any cities. We have no plans to add any cities," Kelly said.

It seems to me that they (WN) would eventually have to close AirTran's international stations once the two airlines are fully integrated and using the same reservations system if Southwest's current reservations system is going to take "several years" before it's able to handle international flights.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4717 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 18000 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 2):
I also expect them to do a full due diligence on all fleet options so I don't see Boeing as the default answer, though they are the likely strong candidate IF they can provide the aircraft WN wants.

Id be very hard pressed to believe that Southwest has not been involved in the latest plans announced by Boeing.

Southwest loads are increasing (up almost 20% over 10 years) and fuel is outting pressure on frequencies = larger aircraft.

WN Route XXX-XXX thats 5x 737 could be 3x 797 with a seasonal 737.

WN route that is 7x 737 could go 4x 797 2x 737



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User currently onlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13532 posts, RR: 100
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 17964 times:
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"What is inevitable is that the next-generation aircraft for Southwest Airlines … may very well be a different airplane, whether it’s Boeing, whether it’s Airbus or whether it’s Bombardier … We don't want eight different airplanes but I think we can handle two or three."


That is one heck of a statement. I think with FL and the 717 the following statement is tied in:
"The bigger question there is, What's the next-generation 717 solution? And we don't have an answer yet."



Last I looked, the 717 leases expire 2014 through 2017. With the first flight of the CSeries in 2012... it is a bit tight to consider for WN.   (Long lead parts need 2 years to procure at the lowest cost.) Since real data on the type won't be available until 2014... I consider is a low likelyhood WN would go with Bombardier.  

Interesting times ahead with the WN order though...

Quoting BD338 (Reply 2):
One problem WN may have is that the rumoured size configuration for the 737 replacement might just be too big for many of WN's routes, would they be "forced" to look elsewhere for the majority of the fleet??

That I doubt.
Since the extra seats would be free... why not offer them?

I think the bigger news is that WN looked into FL's costs of utilizing two aircraft and found you can train the staff on two frames. Long term, I see WN having two types with 3 during 'fleet transitions.'

Lightsaber



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User currently onlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4142 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17845 times:

I'm sure US is thrilled that WN will now finally wedge their way into CLT.

User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17708 times:

What res system is Airtran using? It obviously already supports international flights.
Wouldn't it make more monetary sense to just use it rather than developing a new replacement of the old WN system?


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17657 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 7):
What res system is Airtran using? It obviously already supports international flights.
Wouldn't it make more monetary sense to just use it rather than developing a new replacement of the old WN system?

Good question!! Glad I wasn't the only one wondering about that.



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4409 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17643 times:

While I see WN as one of the airlines behind the B797, WN needs approx 200 new aircraft until than, for 717 replacement, B737 classic replacement and growth. These can be C-series, A320 NEO or super cheap 737NG.

User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 953 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17458 times:

FL uses NewSkies by Navitaire and WN uses a version of the original Cowboy system by Braniff, It of course has many many updates so it really is its own system.


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User currently onlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13532 posts, RR: 100
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17404 times:
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Quoting Burkhard (Reply 9):
While I see WN as one of the airlines behind the B797, WN needs approx 200 new aircraft until than, for 717 replacement, B737 classic replacement and growth. These can be C-series, A320 NEO or super cheap 737NG.

  

The question is, which one?  



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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 17346 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 8):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 7):
What res system is Airtran using? It obviously already supports international flights.
Wouldn't it make more monetary sense to just use it rather than developing a new replacement of the old WN system?

Good question!! Glad I wasn't the only one wondering about that.

You beat me to the punch, GSPSPOT: There are at least three of us wondering the same thing.



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User currently offlineCRJ900LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 17197 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 6):

I don' t think the few gates that FL already has in CLT is gonna really upset US that much. US owns CLT so they have nothing really to worry about.


User currently onlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4142 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 17037 times:

Quoting CRJ900LR (Reply 13):
I don' t think the few gates that FL already has in CLT is gonna really upset US that much. US owns CLT so they have nothing really to worry about.

Well, that's just the thing. US had a fit when WN got into PHL. Southwest can do quite a bit with only a few gates, certainly cycling a lot more through than Airtran. US will have no alternative other than to drop prices out of CLT to the markets WN will be flying to, and they can't be happy about possibly losing those high ticket prices that they have comfortably banked on for years.


User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 953 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 16950 times:

FL Shareholders just approved the merger. Expected to close 2nd Quarter this year! Welcome to ATL Southwest!!!  http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AirTra...ve-prnews-1990002461.html?x=0&.v=1


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User currently onlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4142 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 16926 times:

Good stuff. I've always been a fan of consolidation. Will be interesting to see how things develop.

User currently offlineCRJ900LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 16546 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 14):

Yeah WN has a nice sized operation in PHL but US is doing just fine there. The only real place that WN got US real bad was in BWI and you might want to include LAS but I don' think US was to worried about losing that with PHX a short distance away.


User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 16097 times:

Well, Boeing isn't going to work on yet another plane, they got their hands full already. I think that behind all this and speculation WN will stick with the latest 737s and 717s. I think after hearing this Boeing needs to start working on some ideas for a new 717 and slow down production of their 797s, which won't replace a/c for years to come anyway. this is where putting priorities in order helps!


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User currently offlinedfwrevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 15807 times:

Quoting av8orwalk (Thread starter):
As a shareholder, I'm very excited about the future of Southwest
Quoting BD338 (Reply 2):
As a fellow shareholder, I'm also looking forward to an exciting future at WN.

With all due respect, WN's stock has never been a stellar performer despite how well the company is run. The average rate of return for LUV over the past 15 years is 5.11% and slightly negative over the past 10 years. That is well below the market average for the S&P 500 index and even competing U.S. airlines.

I'd fly Southwest any day of the week and twice on Sunday, they just haven't earned a spot in my portfolio.


User currently offlineberyllium From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 15666 times:

"We have no plans to close any cities, we have no plans to add any cities," Kelly said...

So, will the current partnership that FL has with OO (in MKE-DSM, MKE-CAK, MKE-IND...) stay then?
Or, will WN keep the cities, but dismantle the MKE routes and serve DSM, CAK, IND out of somewhere else...?
WN doesn't do any flight outsourcing. Due to this, FL/OO partnership might have to go. But, these MKE routes currently served by OO on a 50-seater would, probably, be too big for WN's B737 (or B717)...


User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 15320 times:

Quoting beryllium (Reply 20):

So, will the current partnership that FL has with OO (in MKE-DSM, MKE-CAK, MKE-IND...) stay then?

I usually say 'never say never' but this time I'll say never. No way, no how, not on a cold day in hell.

Quoting beryllium (Reply 20):
Or, will WN keep the cities, but dismantle the MKE routes and serve DSM, CAK, IND out of somewhere else...?

Either that or they'll manage to fill a 717. They already serve IND, btw. CAK might actually close since it's kinda sorta the same market as CLE. Kelly said they would keep the cities, not the specific airports. DFW will definitely go away.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5793 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 15107 times:

I'm curious how its going to work with the additional cities that WN is adding and not closing? Everytime they add a new city, the key hubs get flights - is there enough capacity to continue absorbing new flights at the likes of BWI, MDW, DEN, etc.? I really don't know, but it seems like they could start maxing out in these cities.

-Dave



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14927 times:

What exactly defines "a city"... that's the key to the comment. I mean CAK is in the same "city" as CLE. And depending on how you stretch "city" I could argue that SRQ and TPA are the same city, DAB and MCO are the same city and if you really stretch it MDT and BWI are the same city.

User currently onlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4142 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14924 times:

That's the beauty of the words that were chosen. Sounds simple yet is wonderfully vague.

25 N766UA : I'd be willing to bet they keep both. I mean, they serve BOS and MHT, for example, and they seem to compliment each other very well. I don't think CA
26 smoot4208 : WN will not be able to have more than 2 gates max. That's it. unlike PHL, CLT has a majority of connecting traffic which will not have much affect on
27 KC135TopBoom : That will work as the two airports are some 60 miles apart. But, what about DFW? WN has its HQ at DAL, and FL only has a few flights per day at DFW.
28 atrude777 : No as per the new Wright Amendment contract, WN must pull out of DFW Airport immediately once ownership of FL takes place.
29 PI767 : Southwest has said since the day the acquisition was announced that AirTran's DFW station will close. There is no speculation required on that topic.
30 Flytravel : WN already stated it will cease service into DFW. So far, that is the only station where WN will leave. I wouldn't take the comment that "We have no
31 ScottB : Saying that WN's stock "has never been a stellar performer" is inaccurate. They were up over 100-fold (i.e. 10,000%) from 1980 to 2000. And comparing
32 HPRamper : I worked next to the WN gates for years and I've seen them turn flights in a half hour. Even with only two gates, if they want to, they can do better
33 GSPSPOT : My home airport is GSP, and we've been driving to CLT for cheap fares for years (until about 4 months ago anyway). For any given trip, CLT was always
34 davs5032 : I don't know much about how the leases are structured, but couldn't they be extended for the 717 until they can be adequately replaced? The C-series
35 RamblinMan : With the current dynamic, it makes sense to keep both. But IMHO it depends on UA's next move re: CLE. If they quickly decimate the hub, I expect WN t
36 Cubsrule : DH and TZ both lowered them a lot to relevant markets, and that was fewer than 600 seats to one city in both cases. I don't think FL has as big an ef
37 GSPSPOT : Oh, I understand that for sure, but I'm just saying that (at least in comparison to GSP and sometimes ATL fares), CLT's fares to most cities I've hav
38 USAirALB : Yes, WN has two gates. But if they want more, I think the airport is required by law to give them more. They could easily use some of the common use
39 DeltaMD90 : In regards to the 717s, any chance DL could pick them up in a few years? They're getting all the MD-90s they can get, and the 717s are pretty close to
40 rl757pvd : Only if they gates are available, if they arent any available the airport is required to accomodate them but often its a less than desirable scenario
41 UAL747DEN : My job has kept me far FAR too busy lately to even have any idea what is going on at other airlines but I do know that Southwest has in the past had
42 Kcrwflyer : That flying almost has to end.
43 BlueBus : Why does every airline just need to keep growing. Southwest is getting so large and changing the model that made them successful. It is sort of sad in
44 ScottB : It is unless they get the pilots to agree to it...
45 Post contains images rl757pvd : I wonder which will end faster CAK-MKE or CAK-LGA? Network integration will have a few interesting/key parts 1) Connecting ATL to key non-FL cities,
46 Flyguy89 : I wouldn't be so sure and I'd be very surprised if WN expanded CLT as you suggest especially since FL and B6 seem to have stagnated and have been tri
47 Post contains images GSPSPOT : I agree.
48 Post contains images Kcrwflyer : That depends if they decide to make more or lose less first. I'm shocked you'd bring up PVD Are they running CLE-BOS? I'm sure CAK's LGA slots will b
49 RamblinMan : It's completely out of the question. If and when the generally competent management of the most heavily unionized airline in the US decides to try an
50 usxguy : AirTran uses Navitaire - what I see happening is a codeshare between WN and FL to facilitate using Navitaire on the international flights and slowly m
51 F9Animal : PIT as well. WN has taken some real swings at US in terms of it's hubs. But, US has learned to live with WN on its playground. The original US tried
52 dbo861 : Of course they're going to say that. Having no "plans to close any cities" and actually keeping every city after the merger are two very different th
53 rl757pvd : Well there arent many decent sized cities missing from the list, I think you can add CLE and SDF to the list but expect the small cities near other W
54 WABENNER : WN has really dropped the ball by not upgrading their Res system to allow for international intinearies. They could use FL's in tandem with theirs unt
55 PI767 : This is what I don't understand. Why does Southwest not just switch to AirTran's system?
56 atrude777 : There is, a station that has less than a certain amount of flights (it's either 8 or 12 can't remember, think 8) may be contracted out without object
57 Kcrwflyer : I would agree. They might... They've probably avoided this for brand and employee relation based reasons, but hopefully the merger will allow them to
58 Cubsrule : Why does either BWI or MDW need more LGA flights? Which war that WN won't be fighting? The garbage fares to Florida war or the Boston/New York war?
59 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Actually, it's stations with less than 12 flights per day Source (See Item F - Third Party Contracting) LoneStarMike
60 rl757pvd : I meant CAK-MKE becomes CAK-MDW and CAK-LGA becomes CAK-BWI
61 Cubsrule : But let's ask the same question: why does BWI-LGA, which has basically zero O&D, need more flights?
62 Kcrwflyer : Because that's where WN can funnel the most WN loyal, higher yielding pax to LGA ( I would assume). Thank's for the link! It's also worth noting that
63 PI767 : Because LGA-BWI offers convenient connections to FLL, PBI, TPA, MCO, JAX, ECP, CHS, GSP, RDU, ORF, JAN, RDU, AUS, SAT, HOU, OKC, LIT, etc etc etc.
64 Post contains links WWTRAVELER99 : F. Third Party Contracting. The Company and the Union agree that job security and a stable work environment are important objectives to be maintained
65 Flyguy89 : I meant that in general over the past few years, US has been successful in battling or marginalizing LCC's in CLT....and it's not surprising, CLT is
66 USAirALB : I think FL and B6 have been pretty steady with their schedules at CLT. B6 used to operate CLT-FLL which while the loads were good, US matched B6's fa
67 rl757pvd : Who said they would? Those slots can become something like LGA-STL, LGA-BNA or LGA-Texas, far more network value than a CAK.
68 HPRamper : Since when has WN shied away from garbage leisure-fare markets? LAS and MCO immediately come to mind. Note that CLT isn't just a north-south hub...it
69 Post contains images FutureUScapt : You mean to tell me that gaining access to CLT and MEM is not the focal point of the WN/FL merger? Surely, you jest. DH was around for a whopping 18
70 RamblinMan : Was this ACTUALLY announced somewhere? Or is this a case of "heard it on anet, must be so..."
71 milesrich : Excuse me, well below even competing airlines, what competing airlines? United, Northwest, US Air, Delta, Eastern, Pan Am, TWA, Ozark, should I go on
72 knope2001 : He did not say they will neither drop nor add any routes -- just that they neither have plans to drop nor add any cities. All seven cities with OO se
73 jetjeanes : As far as Memphis is concerned Dal has announced cutting 50 more flights and is already just about an rj hub now, Swa could probably take the whole ai
74 dbo861 : Well, the above was quoted from Garry Kelly..but technically, I read that article on Airliners.net, so yes.
75 Cubsrule : MDW-CLT, which started in mid/late 2002 and lasted until early/mid 2005 wasn't really short-lived, at least as TZ MDW hub flights went. They've routi
76 rl757pvd : No I did not, I said the the LGA slots would go to bigger cities like: and that the CAK flights to LGA would:
77 ADent : The DEN airfield has plenty of capacity. WN has all the gates on C concourse but the 5 DL holds. DEN has plenty of room to add gates, and will do so
78 RamblinMan : Where, then? 'Cause in multiple other places he says the exact opposite.
79 Post contains links LoneStarMike : In the article that was posted in reply #3 in this thread. Here's another article on the subject that goes into a little more detail Gary Kelly talks
80 USAirALB : IIRC, 2002 was TZ's peak, and 2005, was the begining of their downfall.
81 Cubsrule : Yes - it lasted basically the whole time the hub was significant.
82 msypi7185 : WN could have started service to CLT anytime they wanted, but instead chose RDU and then other cities around CLT. There are gates on A and D they cou
83 Post contains images Cubsrule : Seems like it would be easier just to move B6 to A (and perhaps EN off of D) if they wanted to go the D route. There's no sense dealing with competit
84 PI767 : Southwest never had scheduled service to DFW. I do recall reading (I believe it was posted one time by TXAggieKuwait but I could be wrong) that South
85 msypi7185 : Thanks for the correction, my mistake it was HOU and IAH.
86 ScottB : Southwest has NEVER flown regularly into DAL, apart from weather diversions or charters. They flew into both IAH and HOU for over thirty years, thoug
87 LV : I'm guessing you mean DFW and not DAL
88 Post contains links nkops : Check the 3rd Q on this Q and A.... http://www.lowfaresfarther.com/what-it-means/communities/
89 RamblinMan : So...nobody definitively said that they'd discontinue the international flights, just that this is an issue that they'll have to address. I somehow d
90 PI767 : My mistake. You are, of course, correct. Thanks!
91 txagkuwait : I love it when people quote me and love it even more when they get it right. That one goes back quite a ways. When WN reopened Hobby, they were runni
92 isitsafenow : I think you CAN say there are plans in the future to connect a few WN dots with some FL dots. EXAMPLE.....FNT-MDW or CAK-PHL....something like that.
93 Flytravel : CAK-BWI is more likely than CAK-PHL (a US route). For PHL, maybe PHL-MKE, and maybe in 2014 PHL-DAL will get add. Southwest with the AirTran network
94 MSYtristar : Sort of like Continental's "Houston Proud Express" flown with a DC9-10, except that one didn't continue onto Dallas.[Edited 2011-03-26 15:00:46]
95 TWA902fly : Didn't CO fly both IAH-HOU and IAH-EFD at one point? '902
96 PI767 : I think that is exactly what MSYTriStar is referring to.... Continental's DC-9 service between IAH and HOU operated by Emerald Airlines operating as
97 RamblinMan : I remember this...I believe it was a free service if you had an onward flight from IAH. I had no idea WN ever ran that sector though. I mean, it woul
98 FutureUScapt : Sorry, but I just don't understand the rationale being adding all these relative qualifiers in an effort to make CLT service seem better than it like
99 Cubsrule : The point is that you can't just look at the routes in a CLT bubble and pretend like these carriers don't have issues going on elsewhere in the netwo
100 FutureUScapt : But yes, that's exactly what the bottom line ends up being - that the majority of the LCCs in CLT have been unsuccessful. In the examples cited above
101 ScottB : There are certain key differences between Southwest and the LCC's which were unsuccessful at CLT. Southwest is very strong in most of the cities they
102 Post contains links MNMncrcnwjr : First of all this is ROUMUR !!! -- Was sitting in an Airport Hotel's Lounge last evening listening to some WN crews while they were eating dinner. The
103 Kcrwflyer : Ladies and gentlemen, this is why we don't even take pilot chatter with a full grain of salt.
104 lucky777 : I believe the proper of such wonton statements would be "wishful thinking"....or perhaps they had engaged in a little much of the alcoholic libations
105 Post contains images HPRamper : I could only imagine the mayhem at the gate as the cattle call is made
106 WNCrew : Our boarding is very organized..... The other airlines though... sheesh! I just flew AA, DL and AS, now THAT was a cattle call. Everyone standing in
107 HPRamper : I was just taking a playful shot. I was more referring to the tendency of passengers to stand in the concourse, getting in the way of pretty much ever
108 ScottB : That happens EVERYWHERE. It's particularly bad with Delta in Atlanta.
109 Atlwest1 : I tend to think DL has a mnuch more organized boarding from what ive seen. Now see i am in hartsfield just about everyday and watch the boarding proc
110 HPRamper : It does happen everywhere. Would be nice if the gate attendant spoke up and asked everyone to please stay seated and not to block the walkways. But o
111 GSPSPOT : SO TRUE!! There must be SOME way to enforce rules, and keep the Gate Lice out of the way while those whose groups have actually been called can get t
112 Post contains images MNMncrcnwjr : I am usually the first on board any of my flts. standing next to a wall, out of the way waiting for FC to board (but always checking and asking gate
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