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United Responds To Sun Country DCA-LAN-MSP  
User currently offlinecapitalflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 344 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

United has responded to SY's newly established DCA-LAN-MSP service with non-stop IAD-MSP. It will be flown by S5 E70. Details in article.

http://www.bizjournals.com/twincitie...s+%2F+St.+Paul+Business+Journal%29

I know DL already flew DCA-MSP, but have they/will they make changes to their flights to compete with Sun Country?

[Edited 2011-03-23 17:59:23]

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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5047 times:

Very interesting. I would not label this an "SY response" at all. SY provided UA with an _excuse_ to enter this historical monopoly NW route (cause it's not a '100% monopoly' anymore). US could also have entered the route from DCA years ago, but never has.

In days past, this would get an 8x 757 response from NW. Today, it might get no retaliation. DL will still have exclusivity on DCA nonstop. On balance, UA seeks the very good MSP feed for international, something they already know a lot about.

The IAD 'hub' ought to serve MSP if they want to call it a hub, anyhow.

[Edited 2011-03-23 18:06:00]

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7654 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5029 times:

Competing against SY? Against a one-stop route going for price sensitive / leisure type passengers? Doubtful.

This route likely isn't that, its competing against DL. With a hub in IAD, adding MSP is a natural market to add to the hub. It has arguably been a missing spoke from IAD for awhile.


User currently offlineCRJ900LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5005 times:

SY is no threat to anyone. I doubt that this is hurting UA or DL. I wouldn't waste my time on this.

User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3828 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

A response? No way. This is just UA adding a spoke to their IAD hub. Honestly, one I'm shocked they weren't already offering.

User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1965 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4972 times:

I don't know if does much to SY's operations. I just don't see the same type of customer targeted between UA and SY. For instance I don't see many D.C. originating customers very interested in SY's flight. On the flip side many MSP-based travelers would be.

However I bet it will affect DL's MSP operations to IAD. It's already #3 of the 3 airports in the D.C. area with just four CP 175s a day. Hopefully it works for UA. I don't mind the competition.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7654 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4951 times:

DL isn't going to change anything to compete with SY. DL already offers 4x to IAD, 4x to BWI, and 6x to BWI.

User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4738 times:

This is the second time UA has added IAD-MSP with E70s in the last 5-6 years. Hopefully this time it lasts.

Jeremy


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4692 times:

This isn't a shot across the bow at Delta or Sun Country...there is a large number of *A customers in MSP and this will give them further connectivity to Europe. I'd put this more in the organic growth category here...

User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1182 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4592 times:
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A few years ago I took the United ( at that time operated by Shuttle America) E170's on the non stop from MSP to IAD, was not full then, will probably not be full now that it has been restarted. With the current price of fuel it seems like a route which seems a bit long for connections considering ORD is a lot closer to MSP than IAD. for the upper midwest pax who wants to avoid DL. It was convenient however to visit a major national ISP client with HQ not too far from Dulles, which since has cut back its work force by 90%+..
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User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4566 times:

This is a not a response to SY. This was announced way back in October before SY to DCA was even applied for.

User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3406 times:

Why would UA care if SY wants to fly this route?


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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

Did UA even know SY was doing this route?  


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User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1567 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

Umm..hate to break it to everyone, but this was announced back in October of last year! This is not new, and in all reality has little or nothing to do with SY operating to DCA!
http://www.mspspotters.net/2010/10/21/ualtodulles/

[Edited 2011-03-24 18:52:01]

[Edited 2011-03-24 18:52:26]


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User currently offlinemsp747 From United States of America, joined May 2010, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

If UA had wanted to respond to SY's flights to the DC area, it would have done it in the years past, when SY operated direct flights between IAD and MSP. Basically, SY took their nonstop flights to IAD away for one stop into DCA. There does seem to be a loyal UA following in the Twin Cities. There's even a Red Carpet club at MSP, even though the airport is a DL fortress.

User currently offlinepremobrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Moderators please end this topic!

This is NOT true at all, UA service was announced a long time ago. Poster needs to do any research.



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