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EI-ORD To Be Scrapped - 1st Scrapped A333?  
User currently offlinedenklug From Germany, joined Dec 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 34938 times:

German aviation website skyliner-aviation reports "Aer Lingus ship EI-ORD (A330-301 c/n 59) to be ferried 29mar11 BOD-BGR-GWO for part-out and scrap".
My Q now is if this is the 1st A333 to be scrapped (maybe even the 1st A332/A333)?
Considering the many older frames (eg A300s) still active, it sound hard to believe that no new owner was around the corner to keep this bird flying. Any thought on this?
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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5314 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 34940 times:

Precisely because so few A330/A340 have been scrapped, those parts are pretty valuable.

Early A333s are not nearly as good as later birds... which is why this A333 was replaced with another A333.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11211 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 34823 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 1):
Early A333s are not nearly as good as later birds... which is why this A333 was replaced with another A333.

What was wrong with them?



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User currently onlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 34777 times:

Quoting denklug (Thread starter):
Considering the many older frames (eg A300s) still active, it sound hard to believe that no new owner was around the corner to keep this bird flying. Any thought on this?

Don't forget that there is no conversion from passenger to freighter available or possible (yet). Older A-300s are still popular as freighter, meanwhile an old and fairly short range A-330 which can only go to a limited amount of holiday airlines like Air Transat so that market is saturated easily.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 34745 times:

Does the storage and scrapping have any relation to this incident last year?

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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5314 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 34611 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 2):

What was wrong with them?

Mostly a low MTOW (215 t, iirc) that can't be upgraded to the 233 or 235 t of later frames.

But also less efficient engines and older-generation avionics.


User currently offlinesupersomondoco From Colombia, joined Dec 2009, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 34578 times:

Quoting denklug (Thread starter):
My Q now is if this is the 1st A333 to be scrapped (maybe even the 1st A332/A333)?

Malaysia Airlines A330-322 9M-MKB was written-off in 2001 due to a leakage of corrosive chemicals (oxalyl chloride) at KUL



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 34560 times:

EI-ORD was originally delivered in 1994 to Air Inter as F-GMDD where it was used intensely on the French short domestic network.
If EI-ORD was close to a D-check, maybe it wasn't worth it because of a high number of cycles ...
Just speculation .



[Edited 2011-03-25 12:35:27]

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 34333 times:
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Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
EI-ORD was originally delivered in 1994 to Air Inter as F-GMDD where it was used intensely on the French short domestic network.
If EI-ORD was close to a D-check, maybe it wasn't worth because of a high number of cycle ...
Just speculation .

The Air Inter A333 were low take off weight palnes, not so good for long haul.


User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2818 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 34286 times:

I have heard that this bird had particular maintenance issues, adding to it's troubles as an older gen, high-ish cycle A333. Sad to see it go.  


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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3916 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 34284 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 2):
What was wrong with them?

Nothing wrong with them, as such, just short range. Ironically -ORD struggled to get to ORD with a full load from DUB.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 34169 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 2):
Early A333s are not nearly as good as later birds... which is why this A333 was replaced with another A333.

What was wrong with them?
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 10):
Nothing wrong with them, as such, just short range

EI was trying to sell this aircraft for quite a while. However, it was transferred to BOD on 14 February and "maintenance issues" were cited as a reason for it being scrapped.

It is sad to see it go; I have happy memories of flying on it once, although on a very short flight, DUB-SNN. I was travelling with my godson, then only about 11, and we were both invited to take the jump seats for landing, on an absolutely hideous day flying in for a landing on 06. He loved it.

EI was actually the first airline to operate A330 on ETOPS flights and as Brian says, the older 330s, with their 215,000kg MTOW, found it difficult to make the DUB-ORD flight with a full load; DUB-ORD is around 8h; add in winter crosswinds and holding at ORD and you have a bit of a worry. Still, old 'ORD served EI very well over the past fifteen years and it's sad to see any plane end up at the breaker's yard.


User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 34139 times:

I'm surprised Brussels Airlines weren't interested as they have the other three ex Air Inter A330s which seem to work well for them on the African routes.

User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 34080 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 10):
Ironically -ORD struggled to get to ORD with a full load from DUB.

...and when I first saw the title of this thread I was worried for a minute that ORD was being canceled.

Of course, this begs the question...they've only got 7 330s of any type, what are they going to cut when there's only 6 left?


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 33942 times:
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Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
EI-ORD was originally delivered in 1994 to Air Inter as F-GMDD where it was used intensely on the French short domestic network.
If EI-ORD was close to a D-check, maybe it wasn't worth because of a high number of cycle ...
Just speculation .


In the past the Irish govt had a ruling to force airlines to serve both DUB/SNN equally. So you had many EI flights routing DUB-SNN-BOS/JFK. So its cycle are quite high compared to others with a similar vintage.
In addition at 1 point EI operated their A333 on the (then) shortest and longest sectors for the type, on their SNN-DUB-ORD route.

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 13):
Of course, this begs the question...they've only got 7 330s of any type, what are they going to cut when there's only 6 left?

EI will still maintain a fleet of 4 A333 and 3 A332 (Only 2 of which were delivered before 2007). EI-ORD was actually surplus to schedule requirements since last Summer. Of course with all the weather disruption in Europe over the last few month EI were fortunate to have that spare capacity, in the wings so to speak.


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 33388 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 11):
it's sad to see any plane end up at the breaker's yard.

Well, if there were not old planes to be sacrificed, there would be significantly less sales of new planes.
And, also, existing planes would not be as easy/affordable to maintain if there were not plenty of worthwhile affordable spare parts to be taken out of scrapped old planes.



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User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 33338 times:

Would love to see Aer Lingus put the EI-ORD on shorthaul routes. I would love to see EI-ORD at LGW or LHR. Using an A330 could be better of for the most popular EI europe routes. Shame its not going to happen but hey its just a thought.


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User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 32635 times:

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 16):
Would love to see Aer Lingus put the EI-ORD on shorthaul routes. I would love to see EI-ORD at LGW or LHR. Using an A330 could be better of for the most popular EI europe routes. Shame its not going to happen but hey its just a thought.

I'd love to see that but the only time Aer Lingus send the A330 to LHR is during weather/ash disruption to help clear the backlog. It seems frequency is the winner on London routes for Aer Lingus but they do use them on some European routes during the summer such as AGP and ACE, I think GVA and WAR have seen them during the winter as well. Nice surprise to step on board and find the AVOD ready and waiting!


User currently offlinephotoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 454 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 31730 times:
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Well, I know Brussels Airlines is always interested in A333...
So who knows..   I just hope this beautiful bird will get a nice job.
It shouldn't end up in the desert somewhere.

greetz

P.



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User currently offlinedash500 From Portugal, joined May 2005, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 31729 times:

I think that's a 212 or 215t MTOW example.


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User currently offlinedfwrevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 31527 times:

Quoting denklug (Thread starter):
My Q now is if this is the 1st A333 to be scrapped (maybe even the 1st A332/A333)?

9M-MKB belonging to Malaysian Airlines was scrapped for parts in 2000 after chemicals were spilled in its cargo hold. Obviously not age-related, but an A330 has been parted out before.


User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 31412 times:
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Quoting denklug (Thread starter):
German aviation website skyliner-aviation reports "Aer Lingus ship EI-ORD (A330-301 c/n 59) to be ferried 29mar11 BOD-BGR-GWO for part-out and scrap".
Quoting photoshooter (Reply 18):
It shouldn't end up in the desert somewhere.

If the OP is correct it won't end up in the desert somewhere , so far as I know there are no deserts in Mississipi . In any case , it will end up flying all over the world as parts of other aircraft .... just think of it as an organ donor if that helps .



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 30506 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 11):
EI was actually the first airline to operate A330 on ETOPS flights and as Brian says, the older 330s, with their 215,000kg MTOW, found it difficult to make the DUB-ORD flight with a full load; DUB-ORD is around 8h; add in winter crosswinds and holding at ORD and you have a bit of a worry. Still, old 'ORD served EI very well over the past fifteen years and it's sad to see any plane end up at the breaker's yard

Dublin has another issue, its runway was artificially short for 747 so they had to stop in SNN. Then its was extended to 8500 feet. Well that is still short for an A330 going all the way to the USA. Dublin should have 10,000 feet of runway. Now that Ireland needs to employ people that would be a good public workd project. 10,000 should be longer 12,000 feet would even be better, if some people need to move so be it; its in Ireland's national interest to have an airport capable of flights to HKG and NRT.


User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 30240 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 17):
I'd love to see that but the only time Aer Lingus send the A330 to LHR is during weather/ash disruption to help clear the backlog. It seems frequency is the winner on London routes for Aer Lingus but they do use them on some European routes during the summer such as AGP and ACE, I think GVA and WAR have seen them during the winter as well. Nice surprise to step on board and find the AVOD ready and waiting!

Oh so they have already used some on the euro routes. Ha you never know then we could see an A333 here then sometime "I hope"          But still I like seeing their A320's, saw quite a few at LGW yesterday. Yeah I wouldn't mind getting on the plane and seeing the AVOD, even if it is for an hour haha.



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User currently offlinegrimey From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 449 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 30197 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 22):
Now that Ireland needs to employ people that would be a good public workd project. 10,000 should be longer 12,000 feet would even be better, if some people need to move so be it; its in Ireland's national interest to have an airport capable of flights to HKG and NRT.

I have been saying that for years, put an extra 4000 feet onto runway 10/28 and any roads in the way can go underground. If they did that then we could have direct flights to PEK, HKG, BKK, SIN etc.

The term "Build it and they will come" seems to make sense


25 fanofjets : I'm hopelessly sentimental.... Although it probably makes economic sense to scrap the plane, this news saddens me. When I missed a flight in Madrid, i
26 LGWflyer : Same here, love the A330! Flew the US A333 just a few months ago. (N272AY and N275AY)
27 LMP737 : EI-ORD spent around two weeks last year at Americans hangar at ORD for a rear spar repair. The casting that holds one of the aileron actuators on the
28 aerlingusa330 : I was extremely saddened when I saw this headline. -ORD has taken me to Ireland many many times in the past 10-12 years. I could count on her to be th
29 na : Its the first A330 to be scrapped due to "natural" reasons, age. But, saying that, its surprising that a few A340s have been parted out already, three
30 Navigator : Two Aer Lingus A330:s blew into each other at DUB some years ago with substantial damage i suppose. They were repaired. Maybe they have discovered so
31 Post contains links Phen : That happened in 2005 and EI-ORD was not involved. EI-CRK (A333) and EI-DAA (A332) were involved. http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=291854
32 Navigator : OK then this is still a puzzle to me. Any other individual structural issues? Corrosion?
33 Northwest727 : I thought I remember a A330 being scrapped due to leakage of corrosive chemicals back in the early 2000s or late 1990s.
34 packsonflight : Hope that this is not too far off topic. Does anybody know max hours/cycles on the A330 or if there is a service life extention program in place?
35 AlnicoCunife : There have been a few B777-200 scrapped as well. Good Aircraft worth more a parts for other aircraft
36 LGWflyer : Really? You know which airlines they belonged to before?
37 1stfl94 : There were to ex BA 777-200 A Market jets, they were scrapped in 2003
38 MSPNWA : It's pretty sad to see such a beautiful, modern airliner meet the salvage man. The first picture I saw of an A330 was in EI colors. It was probably -O
39 Jambost : I reckon they should turn it into static display or hostel if they can at DUB. A few crane maneuvers to a nice on airport site would really look the p
40 Post contains images lightsaber : As others have noted, it is worth quite a bit as parts. If it is a pricey D-check... then the economics of a marginal range plane state it should be
41 thenoflyzone : Maybe TS could pick up this bird.... They do have 3 A333s (MSN 111,132 and 177) that have 215 t MTOWs.....Would fit right in... Edit: Actually, 2 of t
42 LGWflyer : Yeah good idea! I know TS might be getting a couple TCX A332's by the end of the year, so picking up an extra A333 for a slight cost might help them
43 Eagleboy : EI have had this unit on the market since last Summer........no takers.....so off to the parts bin she will go. That no different than the way EI (and
44 a340crew : Aer Lingus Current A330 Fleet EI ELA A330-302 St. Patrick EI DUZ A330-302 St. Aoife EI EAV A330-302 St. Ronan EI EDY A330-302 St. Maincín EI ORD A330
45 ltbewr : Did EI own this a/c or was it a leased through a 3rd party? If so, them maybe as to them the tax, depreciation, need of major mx/check with it's costs
46 HarpAndShamrock : Almost JFK 14w ex DUB, 4w ex SNN BOS 10w ex DUB, 3w ex SNN ORD 7w ex DUB MCO 3w ex DUB IAD-MAD 7w Additionally, the morning Dublin Malaga roundtrip i
47 n471wn : Yes you can ask a worker there to get you a piece---I was just there and be prepared to lay a $20 bill across their palm to get cooperaton---it is ou
48 GlobalCabotage : I'm sure we will some day see a new EI-ORD in EI livery. Not sure of the aircraft, but the EI-ORD will live on. EI and ORD have quite a history, and w
49 Post contains images 330guy : My one and only flight to O'Hare was ironically on EI-ORD, I don't like hearing about aircraft being scrapped, let alone my favourite plane from my fa
50 HarpAndShamrock : Given that EI-DUB,SNN,CRK and JFK have never been replaced (or EWR for that matter, but that route didn't last long on EI in any case), with all new
51 aerlingusa330 : I live in Virginia and was going to travel down there. Do you know of a contact there that I can call/email/etc. before I go to arrange a visit? Or d
52 HarpAndShamrock : Oh most certainly yes. After all, even in Ireland we don't have that many saint's names to use! Was St. Patrick not EI-DUB though? I thought it was t
53 Spacepope : Is the ferry flight still planned for today? Don't see anything on flightaware yet.
54 aerlingusa330 : You're very correct, I stand corrected. -JFK was St. Colmcille and -DUB was St. Patrick.
55 n471wn : I just showed up during regular work hours.....
56 777STL : I believe a very poorly maintained ex-Varig A model that was originally a UA bird was scrapped as well.
57 n471wn : Again as I noted above, line #8 originally (an original United delivery) and line #19 (originally a British delivery) are headed for the scrap heap--
58 Post contains images AmricanShamrok : Don't forget EI also have 1 daily transatlantic flight from SNN and DUB-MCO is only 3 weekly. The summer schedule looks like this: EI105 DUB-JFK dail
59 777STL : No need to get sniddy with me. Nothing I said was incorrect.
60 aerlingusa330 : Does anyone know if EI-ORD ever left BOD yesterday as scheduled? It's not showing up on FlightAware anywhere. Also, I found a confirmation on another
61 n471wn : Sorry if you saw it this way---not intended but just wanted to expand on your comments
62 HarpAndShamrock : Not that it matters but if you look 12 replies above your: you will find:
63 blackwidow : I cant find anything either - wonder if it change it reg?
64 aerlingusa330 : Maybe, but supposedly it was flying as EI 2122P. I saw on another forum that it was still in BOD as of a couple days ago, I wonder if the problems the
65 Post contains links aerlingusa330 : blackwidow - See this thread, it's been following -ORD for a couple weeks now, and it looks like it's still in BOD. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/sho
66 ferengi80 : Great shame if this bird is scrapped, flew on her a couple of times on the DUB-ORD route. Would love to see EI use her on the DUB-LHR or DUB-MAN route
67 jfk777 : Short hop A330 did not work for Air Inter why would it work Aer Lingus ? Its one thing if they used it say during christmas or easter for extra deman
68 skipness1E : Yes it did, then the TGV was improved and the market changed. C'est la vie.
69 Post contains images aerlingusa330 : I believe she is still in BOD. Does anyone know of any updates to her status? Flightaware isn't showing any A330 arrival into GWO or any arrivals/depa
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