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Complete List Of CVG Cuts?  
User currently offlineAlasizon From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 289 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6441 times:

I was wondering if anyone out there had a complete list of all the axed routes and reductions that have occurred at CVG since DL started to de-hub.

[Edited 2011-03-27 08:14:16]


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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6096 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6385 times:

Any chance you can change the title to a question? I was wondering the same, but your thread title makes it look like you have the list.

I to am curious since I was a regular through there back in the days.



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineAlasizon From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6350 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 1):
Any chance you can change the title to a question? I was wondering the same, but your thread title makes it look like you have the list.

Done.

Quoting as739x (Reply 1):
I to am curious since I was a regular through there back in the days.

It's gotten hard to be a regular through there.



Window seats may be over-rated, but I'll take a window seat on a DC9 anyday
User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6200 times:

Well...while not current, this is a good start:

http://www.departedflights.com/DLCVGhub.html

(you rock Greg!)


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6096 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6033 times:

Quoting Alasizon (Reply 2):

No kidding. I flew SFO-CVG-CAK multiple times. CVG-CAK no more. CVG-SFO one daily and poorly timed for me. But it's still not as depressing as seeing PIT from before th glory days.



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5954 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 3):
Well...while not current, this is a good start:

http://www.departedflights.com/DLCVGhub.html

From that list;

Akron, Albany, Albuquerque, Allentown, Amsterdam, Appleton, Asheville, Atlantic City, Augusta, Austin, Bangor, Billings, Binghamton, Birmingham, Buffalo, Burlington, Cedar Rapids, Champaign, Charleston SC, Charleston WV, Charlottesville, Chattanooga, Chicago Midway, Clarksburg, Colorado Springs, Columbia, Columbus, Dayton, Daytona Beach, Des Moines, Erie, Flint, Frankfurt, Green Bay, Greenbriar, Honolulu, Houston Hobby, Huntsville, Indianapolis, Jackson, Kalamazoo, Lafayette, Lansing, Lexington, Little Rock, London Gatwick, London Ontario, Islip, Manchester, Mobile, Moline, Myrtle Beach, Nassau, New Burgh, New Haven, Northwest Arkansas, Oklahoma City, Ontario, Orange County, Portland ME, Portland OR, Providence, Roanoke, Rochester, Rome, Saginaw, San Antonio, San Diego, San Jose CA, San Juan, Sarasota, Savannah, Shreveport, Springfield, State College, Tallahassee, Toledo, Tri City, Tucson, Tulsa, Vancouver, West Palm Beach, Westchester County, Wichita, Wilkes Barre.



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User currently offlineocracoke From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 680 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 5317 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
From that list;

Akron, Albany, Albuquerque, Allentown, Amsterdam, Appleton, Asheville, Atlantic City, Augusta, Austin, Bangor, Billings, Binghamton, Birmingham, Buffalo, Burlington, Cedar Rapids, Champaign, Charleston SC, Charleston WV, Charlottesville, Chattanooga, Chicago Midway, Clarksburg, Colorado Springs, Columbia, Columbus, Dayton, Daytona Beach, Des Moines, Erie, Flint, Frankfurt, Green Bay, Greenbriar, Honolulu, Houston Hobby, Huntsville, Indianapolis, Jackson, Kalamazoo, Lafayette, Lansing, Lexington, Little Rock, London Gatwick, London Ontario, Islip, Manchester, Mobile, Moline, Myrtle Beach, Nassau, New Burgh, New Haven, Northwest Arkansas, Oklahoma City, Ontario, Orange County, Portland ME, Portland OR, Providence, Roanoke, Rochester, Rome, Saginaw, San Antonio, San Diego, San Jose CA, San Juan, Sarasota, Savannah, Shreveport, Springfield, State College, Tallahassee, Toledo, Tri City, Tucson, Tulsa, Vancouver, West Palm Beach, Westchester County, Wichita, Wilkes Barre.

From that list:

1) Add Huntingtion WV, Newport News, Traverse City, Ottawa, Montego Bay, Zurich, Munich.
2) Off the top of my head, I think they still have SAN and XNA flights.
3) I never knew there was a CVG-MBS nonstop.


User currently offlinecomairguycvg From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5274 times:

It's not over yet. As of April 2nd...add Knoxville.

User currently offlinefuelfool From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

It is no wonder these airlines have trouble. Why on earth do you have flights to/from CVG to places like LEX,DAY,CMH, SDF, and IND? I can see CAK, TOL, EVV, CLE, FWA or CRW, but not the others.


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User currently offlineqantas777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4780 times:

as739x, dude, there is nothing wrong with the title of this question. you are too in your head. title is fine.

User currently offlinegulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

Quoting fuelfool (Reply 8):

It is no wonder these airlines have trouble. Why on earth do you have flights to/from CVG to places like LEX,DAY,CMH, SDF, and IND? I can see CAK, TOL, EVV, CLE, FWA or CRW, but not the others.

I used to take the LEX flight all the time, it was usually quite busy. It used to be handy to not have to drive all the way to CVG. Lexington has a large catchment area and in order for DL to compete they had to allow passengers to start their journeys at LEX otherwise pax would fly on another airline.



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User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

I am surprised CVG could even sustain the many EU routes back in the day.

User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4119 times:

Can anyone confirm if SAN still sees CVG service for the summer? Honestly, I thought the list would have been larger...


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User currently offlineTower From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 12):
Can anyone confirm if SAN still sees CVG service for the summer? Honestly, I thought the list would have been larger...

I have no idea what the futurue schedule is, but I can confirm that CVG still has the SAN route.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2986 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

I believe that SJC-CVG was only flown for a very short time anyway, long before DL started de-hubbing CVG.

User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

Quoting ocracoke (Reply 6):
Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
From that list;

Akron, Albany, Albuquerque, Allentown, Amsterdam, Appleton, Asheville, Atlantic City, Augusta, Austin, Bangor, Billings, Binghamton, Birmingham, Buffalo, Burlington, Cedar Rapids, Champaign, Charleston SC, Charleston WV, Charlottesville, Chattanooga, Chicago Midway, Clarksburg, Colorado Springs, Columbia, Columbus, Dayton, Daytona Beach, Des Moines, Erie, Flint, Frankfurt, Green Bay, Greenbriar, Honolulu, Houston Hobby, Huntsville, Indianapolis, Jackson, Kalamazoo, Lafayette, Lansing, Lexington, Little Rock, London Gatwick, London Ontario, Islip, Manchester, Mobile, Moline, Myrtle Beach, Nassau, New Burgh, New Haven, Northwest Arkansas, Oklahoma City, Ontario, Orange County, Portland ME, Portland OR, Providence, Roanoke, Rochester, Rome, Saginaw, San Antonio, San Diego, San Jose CA, San Juan, Sarasota, Savannah, Shreveport, Springfield, State College, Tallahassee, Toledo, Tri City, Tucson, Tulsa, Vancouver, West Palm Beach, Westchester County, Wichita, Wilkes Barre.

From that list:

1) Add Huntingtion WV, Newport News, Traverse City, Ottawa, Montego Bay, Zurich, Munich.

Also add Sioux Falls.

Quoting ocracoke (Reply 6):
2) Off the top of my head, I think they still have SAN and XNA flights.

  

Here is the list of cities that will still have service as of this summer:
YYZ, YUL, SEA, SFO, LAX, SAN, LAS, PHX, SLC, DEN, IAH, DFW, OMA, MSP, DSM, MCI, STL, XNA, MSY, MSN, MKE, ORD, FWA, SBN, GRR, DTW, CLE, SDF, MEM, BNA, MIA, FLL, RSW, TPA, MCO, JAX, ATL, GSP, CLT, GSO, RDU, RIC, ORF, IAD, DCA, BWI, PIT, MDT, PHL, EWR, SYR, LGA, JFK, BDL, BOS, CUN, CDG. And I believe PUJ is served in the winter.



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3473 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 15):
YYZ, YUL, SEA, SFO, LAX, SAN, LAS, PHX, SLC, DEN, IAH, DFW, OMA, MSP, DSM, MCI, STL, XNA, MSY, MSN, MKE, ORD, FWA, SBN, GRR, DTW, CLE, SDF, MEM, BNA, MIA, FLL, RSW, TPA, MCO, JAX, ATL, GSP, CLT, GSO, RDU, RIC, ORF, IAD, DCA, BWI, PIT, MDT, PHL, EWR, SYR, LGA, JFK, BDL, BOS, CUN, CDG. And I believe PUJ is served in the winter.

Of that list the next round of cuts will probably be to;

CLE, DEN, GSO, MDT, MSN, YUL, OMA, SYR



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):
CLE, DEN, GSO, MDT, MSN, YUL, OMA, SYR

I think DEN will hang on for a while as DL even still flies MEM-DEN but the others I would think are toast (some hope for OMA maybe with the recent expansion services on DL.)



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6096 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):

Wasn't OMA just readded for a.c mx or was that DSM?



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):
Of that list the next round of cuts will probably be to;

CLE, DEN, GSO, MDT, MSN, YUL, OMA, SYR

Syracuse has been cut a few times, but continues to stick around. There must be some reason it has, since BUF/ROC/ALB have all been long gone. If I recall, SYR-PIT also stuck around longer than the other Upstate cities when PIT was being de-hubbed.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Quoting panam330 (Reply 19):
Syracuse has been cut a few times, but continues to stick around. There must be some reason it has, since BUF/ROC/ALB have all been long gone. If I recall, SYR-PIT also stuck around longer than the other Upstate cities when PIT was being de-hubbed

Military traffic to Fort Drum?



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User currently offlineTower From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3181 times:

Quoting panam330 (Reply 19):
Syracuse has been cut a few times, but continues to stick around. There must be some reason it has, since BUF/ROC/ALB have all been long gone. If I recall, SYR-PIT also stuck around longer than the other Upstate cities when PIT was being de-hubbed.

I think it may have to do with P&G. I remember seeing that on here not to long ago. But i'm not 100% sure if that is why.


User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

Quoting fuelfool (Reply 8):
It is no wonder these airlines have trouble. Why on earth do you have flights to/from CVG to places like LEX,DAY,CMH, SDF, and IND? I can see CAK, TOL, EVV, CLE, FWA or CRW, but not the others.

For the same reason LH flies FRA-STR for instance... coonections... it's all about connecting passengers!

Don't forget that CVG used to be DL 2nd largest hub after ATL and was a good alternative, especially for all travellers not originating or ending their travels in the deep south.

I was frequently taking the LEX-CVG-LEX flights throughout the 90's, and about 80% of the passengers were making connections in CVG.

So back in the days it made sense to fly those routes.

DL wanted to "rightsize" the CVG hub for quite a while even before the merger with NW, but you bet that had they not merged, and gained DTW as a hub we'd still see more of these routes still served out of CVG.

Also I really don't like the term de-hubbed in regard to CVG. Okay there were huge cuts, and CVG is just a shadow of the fortress hub it once was, but it still is a hub for DL! Not a huge one any more, but after all still a hub!


Best regards

L1011Lover


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 18):
Wasn't OMA just readded for a.c mx or was that DSM?

DSM was recently added back for this summer. A.neters speculated that it was for maintenance purposes because XJ does CR9 maintenance there, however the route is being flown with an OH CR2 so that myth was busted.


User currently offlinejetskipper From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

I am shocked that SBN and FWA have held on as long as they have. I would have to assume that they are some of the next cities to be eliminated.

25 DeltAirlines : DEN is likely safe, given that there is still mainline on it and it can be served with an RJ. I'd expect a downgauge to all RJ before dropping a main
26 MNMncrcnwjr : flew into CVG this AM (8:45) .. The first time since a re route from DTW on CO Express in 2003, It was a ghost town this morning! I walked the tunnel
27 Tower : I have a question that i've thought about lately, and i'm sure people on A.net will know, or have an idea. Why hasn't LH come in with a flight to Germ
28 Flyguy89 : Essentially because Cincinnati is a majority SkyTeam market and DL owns most of the major lucrative international corporate contracts (although I bel
29 SurfandSnow : That's quite the long list! Pretty much anything that hasn't been cut altogether has been reduced in some form or another. And I daresay the list wil
30 Tower : Thank you for the informative answer. I suspected part of that, but what you said makes even more sense.
31 fuelfool : Don't get me wrong, I am from the Cincinnati area. Whenever I would fly, I would shop fares between CVG, DAY and CMH. I ended up on a JAX-CVG-DAY flig
32 nycdave : Someone already mentioned the military traffic to Fort Drum, which is home to the 10th Mountain Division, the most heavily deployed division over the
33 Lono : I remember a CVG-ANC flight...yes?
34 HVNandrew : Yes, summer seasonal on a 752. It actually stayed on for quite a while. I believe this past or the one before summer was the first summer DL didn't o
35 nycflyer : I think this list is a bit "extreme." As a frequent user of both ISP and HVN, I know that DL discontinued both in the 90's, long before any decision
36 catiii : DL (through Comair) was in HVN from 2004 through 2006. Prior to that they were not in HVN. It had more to do with the Chamber of Commerce's subsidy e
37 steeler83 : I think if CLE service is eliminated (I don't see why it shouldn't go, they're large markets close to each other), then this should pose as a very st
38 Post contains images FWAERJ : CVG-SDF (37 minute flight time) and CVG-FWA (50-52 minutes depending on plane) are currently the two shortest CVG hub routes in the Delta system. Bot
39 Post contains images L1011Lover : Exactly! But that was my answer to the question why DL served LEX (and other cities nearby) in the past and how it made sense to serve these cities f
40 freakyrat : Quoting Jetskipper "I am shocked that SBN and FWA have held on as long as they have. I would have to assume that they are some of the next cities to b
41 nycflyer : Good point. I was thinking of UA, which left HVN in the 90's. I do remember Comair's quick stint at HVN, but as you pointed out, their departure had
42 FWAERJ : And now those two flights are down to one this May. SBN-CVG, along with FWA-CVG, used to be 7 CR2s a day as recently as 2002.
43 Tower : BWI seemed to gain a round trip. Which is nice. But no one seems to put focus on CVG gaining a flight....
44 freakyrat : Qouting FWA ERJ And now those two flights are down to one this May. SBN-CVG, along with FWA-CVG, used to be 7 CR2s a day as recently as 2002. Just che
45 FWAERJ : The route changes won't be loaded into delta.com until tomorrow, 4/1. Hence why you are stil seeing 2 dailies SBN-CVG. DL has not announced any cutba
46 Alasizon : Using the resources I had available, here is the first part of a list comparing 1/2007 to 3/2011. In terms of weekly frequencies, I used Saturday as m
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