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OK Terminates Codeshare Ag. With AF  
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6121 times:

I found this article today. I believe this topic has not yet been discussed.

http://www.expatica.com/fr/news/fren...s-air-france-codeshare_138730.html

Regards!


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User currently offlinesofianec From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 238 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6069 times:

That's a pretty interesting move on OK part. I wonder why they chose to terminate it.


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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6006 times:

It is a strange decision seeing as both carriers have co-operated closely since the early 1990s.

User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5726 times:

OK sees no benefit in going ahead with AF. AF tentaive bid on OS has also disappointed OK very much.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5515 times:

Hi SR4ever.

I remember that when OS was put up for sale, AF was touted as a potential bidder, although it was also clear back at that time that the already existing integration of OS in LH's Miles & More program put the AF-KL group in a weaker position. Anyway, as we all know, LH took OS and that was quite some time ago, so OS is now a wholly-owned subsidiary of LH, and it is not up for sale or anything. If OK holds grudges about something that happened a few years ago, it is honestly quite silly to react just now by terminating the codeshare. Any chance there is another reason?



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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5468 times:
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I found the article quite ambiguous , are they ending all codesharing with AF , or just on specific routes ? To me , it looks like the latter .

..Czech flag-carrier CSA has ended a codesharing contract with Air France as it shakes up its operations, its spokeswoman told AFP on Monday.

"CSA, which is undergoing restructuring, has reassessed several of its commercial contracts as it prepares its summer timetable," Hana Hejskova said.

"In specific cases , including the routes between Prague and Paris, Strasbourg and Marseille, CSA has decided to operate flights using its own planes only," she added.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5207 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 5):
I found the article quite ambiguous , are they ending all codesharing with AF , or just on specific routes ? To me , it looks like the latter .

Agree. It is ambiguous. Weird decision nonetheless.



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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5162 times:
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I wonder if the article is in error , I have tried to find another source for this information and can find nothing on either the OK or the AF websites , or any other source for this story . Has anyone else managed to get independent verification of this story ? When I google search it all seems to come back to the same expatica article ?


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User currently offlineOta1 From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5127 times:
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Well, here's a French article (La tribune) on that topic. So I guess it's not an error....

www.latribune.fr


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5088 times:
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Quoting Ota1 (Reply 8):
Well, here's a French article (La tribune) on that topic. So I guess it's not an error....

Thanks for that , I should have thought of checking in the French media , I wonder whether this has any implications for OKs longterm future with Skyteam . I guess with EI there is precedent for a carrier deciding that being an alliance member no longer worked for them when they changed their business model ( although rumour has it that they have changed their minds again on that )



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

Well, it seems OK's management indeed holds grudges. This does not bode well for the integrity of the alliance. I suppose we need to wait and see what happens.


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User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1723 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4910 times:

And how does OK believe it can survive the tough competition without a partner?

Air France is a business that must compete with LH and if OS was a potential asset that could have provided more value to them, AF would dump OK in a heart neat...but that''s business.

In the grand scheme of things, OK needs AF more than AF needs OK.

Interesting to see what will happen....maybe OK is on its way out of Skyteam.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4842 times:

Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 11):
In the grand scheme of things, OK needs AF more than AF needs OK.

I think I agree with you on that one.



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User currently offlinekonrad From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 11):
Interesting to see what will happen....maybe OK is on its way out of Skyteam.

They certainly are not after Star Alliance membership. Nothing to gain from *A.

If not Skyteam it is either OneWorld (would anyone want OK in?) or being a standalone carrier like Aer Lingus. This is going to be tough either way.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

Either they must be very uncomfortable with the former state of the code share ( did they bring many pax to AF and AF none to them?), or they are after something big, like a 49% investment of a large non-European airline that wants a European feeder from such tertiary destination to fill a couple of A388 daily? Having all rights inside Europe, a location rather East and a large airport area, who knows.

User currently offlinesofianec From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 238 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 11):
In the grand scheme of things, OK needs AF more than AF needs OK.

Could you elaborate on that statement. Apparently OK decided it is not so.

Let me just give you an example from 1991 (i believe). Back then there was an airline called Balkan Bulgarian (LZ) and they codeshared with AF on SOF-CDG and while LZ was booking ~30% of AF single flight (interlines to beyond CDG destinations), AF was booking ~0% on LZ metal. In fact Balkan wanted to drop the codeshare many times but was stopped to do so by the government.

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User currently offlineairproxx From France, joined Jun 2008, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 3):
OK sees no benefit in going ahead with AF. AF tentaive bid on OS has also disappointed OK very much.

Pardon my ignorance, but I really don't see the point between AF's potential bid in Austrian, and their partnership with Czech Airlines... A bid that, at the time, was more an attempt to put a doubt in Lufthansa's plans with Austrian (just like LH did in reverse with AF some months ago in the Alitalia's case...) than a real takeover plan.
Anyway, I don't think AF really needs Czech that bad, and it means more flights operated to Prague with AF's own metal.

From a french point of view, AF is currently hardly studying other short/medium haul bases than ORY and CDG, project more known inside as "bases provinces".
The project consists in basing single aisle planes (A320s) in others big french cities (Nice, Marseille, Toulouse & Bordeaux) in order to operate flights directly from these bases to French and European Cities.
And this anouncement of OK ending its codesharing with AF falls right in time with this project...



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User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

Quoting airproxx (Reply 16):
From a french point of view, AF is currently hardly studying other short/medium haul bases than ORY and CDG, project more known inside as "bases provinces".
The project consists in basing single aisle planes (A320s) in others big french cities (Nice, Marseille, Toulouse & Bordeaux) in order to operate flights directly from these bases to French and European Cities.

Interesting development. But is AF really going to compete on the direct flights market ? Recently, AF suspended some European routes/frequencies out of Lyon (LYS), so that makes me wonder if that project will materialize.

Regards,

[Edited 2011-03-29 17:27:00]


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