travelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1726 posts, RR: 7 Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7957 times:
On the frontpage now is a great photo from Wilco737 from a LH 747 cockpit. I'm not showing it in my post because I'm on the road right now (hooray for the iPad), but it's the one with the Northern lights.
The caption says 747-430M, now I'm pretty sure the M means it's a combi. I didn't know LH had any combi's and my quick Wiki/Google search also didn't provide an answer. One answer.com result even literally said they had none. So what gives?
B777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1526 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7931 times:
They have a handful or so. All have had the SCD deactivated and the aft main-deck cargo compartment converted into a SLF seating area, cattle class of course. So while they're technically speaking Combis, it would require a fair amount of work bringing them back in service as such.
Best chance of seeing them with an open cargo-door again will be after they've been decommissioned from service at Lufthansa passage, converted and elevated to the more noble task of hauling boxes in B747-400BCF disguise.
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26382 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7728 times:
Quoting travelavnut (Reply 4): Also, besides LH and KL, are there any other airlines flying the combi?
Boeing built 61 744M combis for 12 airlines. Apart from KL's, not sure which may still be operated as combis. Some are now freighters like 2 of the 3 ex-AC 744 combis which are now with Air China Cargo. The other is now part of the Dubai Air Wing's VIP fleet after a few years in combi configuration with Air India. It was often used on AI's now suspended DEL-FRA-LAX route.
Photos of the 3 ex-AC 744Ms with original and subsequent operators.
Birdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3863 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6497 times:
Quoting sfoa380 (Reply 12): I flew on LH 454/455 in the early 80's and it was a 747-200 Combi. Very strange having a huge wall in the middle of the rear cabin.
I flew on the -200 Combi a lot in the 80s when I was a kid. They always operated the Combi out to CCS/BOG/UIO as there was a lot of flower cargo on that route, which is relatively light but huge volume. Occasionally during flight the FAs showed us kids the cargo area (go figure, back in the day everything was a bit more relaxed). There was a door in the galley, behind it was the "volleyball net" as they called it and the cargo behind that, pallets with flower boxes strapped on top of them. I remember that area was loud and cold. I remember once the cargo hold was completely empty (probably a FRA-CCS segment), and for some reason the sight of the huge rear bulkhead freaked me out a bit. I was like 7 years old.
Are there any photos of this setup?
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jj8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5501 times:
Varig operated 5 747s in Combi version. 3 742s and 2 743s. All of them were received brand new from Boeing. The -200s were originally ordered by Libyan Arab Airlines. As the US Government blocked the deal with Libyan, Varig took the planes.
747-2L5BM PP-VNA (cn 22105/435) 1981-1994, last operator was Cathay Pacific Cargo as B-HMD, stored since 2009.
747-2L5BM PP-VNB (cn 22106/443) 1981-1995, last operator was Cathay Pacific Cargo as B-HME, stored since 2009.
747-2L5BM PP-VNC (cn 22107/469) 1981-1996, now with Southern Air as N815SA
747-341M PP-VNH (cn 23394/627) 1985-2000, now with Southern Air as N789SA
747-341M PP-VNI (cn 23395/629) 1985-2000, now with Atlas Air as N355MC