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LH 747 Combi?  
User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1607 posts, RR: 7
Posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7718 times:

On the frontpage now is a great photo from Wilco737 from a LH 747 cockpit. I'm not showing it in my post because I'm on the road right now (hooray for the iPad), but it's the one with the Northern lights.

The caption says 747-430M, now I'm pretty sure the M means it's a combi. I didn't know LH had any combi's and my quick Wiki/Google search also didn't provide an answer. One answer.com result even literally said they had none. So what gives?


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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1861 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7699 times:
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At the moment LH has 2 left, DABTC and DABTH. They used to have quite some 747-200M's, of course all retired by now.

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User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1329 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7692 times:

They have a handful or so. All have had the SCD deactivated and the aft main-deck cargo compartment converted into a SLF seating area, cattle class of course. So while they're technically speaking Combis, it would require a fair amount of work bringing them back in service as such.

Best chance of seeing them with an open cargo-door again will be after they've been decommissioned from service at Lufthansa passage, converted and elevated to the more noble task of hauling boxes in B747-400BCF disguise.



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8994 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7661 times:
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They used to be combis, but the door is locked, sealed and it is a full PAX aircraft, not used as a combi anymore.

Quoting travelavnut (Thread starter):
On the frontpage now is a great photo from Wilco737 from a LH 747 cockpit

Thanks  

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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1607 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7648 times:

Thanks guys! So would you be able to see it as a passenger in the SLF area? Or is the cargo door, for example, invisible from the cabin?


Also, besides LH and KL, are there any other airlines flying the combi?

[Edited 2011-03-28 13:25:47]


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User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7603 times:

Off the top of my head, Korean Air and KLM fly combis still

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5771 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7532 times:

Quoting 413X3 (Reply 5):
Off the top of my head, Korean Air and KLM fly combis still

Yes, and while I don't know about Korean, I DO know that KLM flies them as combi's... with pax and freight flying together!


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7489 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 4):
Also, besides LH and KL, are there any other airlines flying the combi?

Boeing built 61 744M combis for 12 airlines. Apart from KL's, not sure which may still be operated as combis. Some are now freighters like 2 of the 3 ex-AC 744 combis which are now with Air China Cargo. The other is now part of the Dubai Air Wing's VIP fleet after a few years in combi configuration with Air India. It was often used on AI's now suspended DEL-FRA-LAX route.

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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3769 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7428 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 4):
Also, besides LH and KL, are there any other airlines flying the combi?

I believe EVA has a few 747-400M's.

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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2919 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7345 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 4):
Thanks guys! So would you be able to see it as a passenger in the SLF area? Or is the cargo door, for example, invisible from the cabin?

I was on one 2 Septembers ago (ORD-FRA) and you could not see anything from inside the cabin.



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User currently offlinedvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7264 times:
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They still have an outline of the cargo door, other than that, you'd never know it was a combi.


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User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7097 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 3):
They used to be combis, but the door is locked, sealed and it is a full PAX aircraft, not used as a combi anymore.

Does the door still show up on the 'DRS' EICAS page or was the software changed when they converted them to full pax.


For those interested:

All 7 Combis will go to a two class config. The old first class seats will remain on the upper deck and will be sold as 'Business Plus'

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User currently offlinesfoa380 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 7015 times:

I flew on LH 454/455 in the early 80's and it was a 747-200 Combi. Very strange having a huge wall in the middle of the rear cabin. Have flown 454/455 as 74M, 744, 343 and soon 388!

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 6981 times:

And OZ have a 74M. I've seen it in SYD. MH had too if I recall... They became the QF ugly sisters I think..

User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6915 times:

I've seen CA combis in action at LAX, I think OZ as well. Don't think QF ever had any.

User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6830 times:

LH used to fly into LPB with their 747M which I think they also called 747D, someone will correct me for sure>

THe combi aircraft was great for LH, what I heard is they made more revenue with cargo than with pax on the LPB run.

Once at CCS, a brand new Mercedes Benz sports car was unloaded from the 747 combi I arrived with from FRA (on a flight proceeding to LIM&LPB). Was quite a sight. Quite some cashflow too....


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8551 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6802 times:
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Quoting 123 (Reply 15):
LH used to fly into LPB with their 747M which I think they also called 747D,

I think the 74D was a -200 combi while an M is a -400 combi ?



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30898 posts, RR: 87
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6781 times:
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Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 16):
I think the 74D was a -200 combi while an M is a -400 combi ?

In terms of IATA codes, the 74D is the 747-300 combi. The 747-200 combi is 74C. The code for the 747-400 combi is 74E. The IATA code 74M is for "Boeing 747 all Combi models"


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8994 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6640 times:
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Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 11):
Does the door still show up on the 'DRS' EICAS page or was the software changed when they converted them to full pax.

Good question, I have to check. But I don't think so, cannot remember seeing it on the EICAS DRS page.

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 11):
All 7 Combis will go to a two class config. The old first class seats will remain on the upper deck and will be sold as 'Business Plus'

Huh? Really? Where does this information come from? Haven't heard anything within LH about it. Only that the upper deck gets a new F class with beds and that's it. Nothing about business plus  

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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1607 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6432 times:

Thanks again for all the replies!

Quoting Doona (Reply 8):
Quoting travelavnut (Reply 4):
Also, besides LH and KL, are there any other airlines flying the combi?

I believe EVA has a few 747-400M's.

Well DUH, I actually flew that one going to Bangkok in the early 00's




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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3818 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6258 times:

Quoting sfoa380 (Reply 12):
I flew on LH 454/455 in the early 80's and it was a 747-200 Combi. Very strange having a huge wall in the middle of the rear cabin.

I flew on the -200 Combi a lot in the 80s when I was a kid. They always operated the Combi out to CCS/BOG/UIO as there was a lot of flower cargo on that route, which is relatively light but huge volume. Occasionally during flight the FAs showed us kids the cargo area (go figure, back in the day everything was a bit more relaxed). There was a door in the galley, behind it was the "volleyball net" as they called it and the cargo behind that, pallets with flower boxes strapped on top of them. I remember that area was loud and cold. I remember once the cargo hold was completely empty (probably a FRA-CCS segment), and for some reason the sight of the huge rear bulkhead freaked me out a bit. I was like 7 years old.

Are there any photos of this setup?

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User currently offlinejj8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

Varig operated 5 747s in Combi version. 3 742s and 2 743s. All of them were received brand new from Boeing. The -200s were originally ordered by Libyan Arab Airlines. As the US Government blocked the deal with Libyan, Varig took the planes.

747-2L5BM PP-VNA (cn 22105/435) 1981-1994, last operator was Cathay Pacific Cargo as B-HMD, stored since 2009.
747-2L5BM PP-VNB (cn 22106/443) 1981-1995, last operator was Cathay Pacific Cargo as B-HME, stored since 2009.
747-2L5BM PP-VNC (cn 22107/469) 1981-1996, now with Southern Air as N815SA
747-341M PP-VNH (cn 23394/627) 1985-2000, now with Southern Air as N789SA
747-341M PP-VNI (cn 23395/629) 1985-2000, now with Atlas Air as N355MC

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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1136 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

LH flew 747-200 Combis from FRA to SJU during the mid-late 80's. So did AV BOG-SJU-MAD-Paris-Frankfurt, I think IB also flew 747-200 Combis.

User currently onlinesupersomondoco From Colombia, joined Dec 2009, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 22):
LH flew 747-200 Combis from FRA to SJU during the mid-late 80's. So did AV BOG-SJU-MAD-Paris-Frankfurt, I think IB also flew 747-200 Combis.

AV HK-2980X was also a combi...


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