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New Fancy Terminal 2 SFO?  
User currently offlineWNBob From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

So I hear.

Anybody know if the airport forced any carrier to foot the bill?

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User currently offlinedartland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4039 times:
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I know AA and VX will be occupants. I do not believe they paid for it.

I just got my tickets to the Open House on April 9 to check it out!


User currently offlinelegacyins From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3660 times:

The City of SF paid for it with bond money. Looking at costs, it does not look like the City raised it's fees to cover the renovation.

User currently offlineas739x From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Quoting dartland (Reply 1):

You will not be disappointed. The terminal has turned out very nice and looks very much like the artist rendering from before they started. I have watched the ticket area develop over the last 2 months since I walk thru there for work. It looks incredible. A lot of ticket space for e 2 carriers. But that is to be expected as it was an Int'l terminal before. The only beef I have is it's very sterile looking. But then again they may be bringing in some plants between now and opening that will go a long way in fixing that issue.

The gate area however turned out very nice, but is small. As I walked through it the other night it just seemed like it will be very crowded. Mind you I walked around it at night as well with no one but a security guard there. When AA has 2 767's there it could be interesting.

Enjoy the tour.


User currently offlinedartland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3042 times:
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Quoting as739x (Reply 3):
Enjoy the tour.

Thanks!

Unfortunately (at least as it pertains to T2), I'm a UA flier so I won't get to enjoy the new T2 all that much, but still will be fun to check out.


User currently offlinemsp747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

With only 7 gates, there doesn't seem to be much space for Virgin America to expand. How many gates do they already use and what do they do if the airline continues to grow successfully? It wouldn't seem like they could buy American's new gates out. Would they have to move back to another terminal?

User currently offlineas739x From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

Quoting msp747 (Reply 5):

The most planes VX usually has on the ground now is 9 and thats over-nighters. During the day there is rarely more then 6 or 7 since they are restricted in their current location as it is. Even with all the international gates they don't get free run since most gates are widebody gates. With some good scheduling and occasional tow they should be in good shape. They will be able to use some of the gates on the AA side, so its not as though they are locked to 7.


User currently offlinemsp747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 6):
The most planes VX usually has on the ground now is 9 and thats over-nighters. During the day there is rarely more then 6 or 7 since they are restricted in their current location as it is. Even with all the international gates they don't get free run since most gates are widebody gates. With some good scheduling and occasional tow they should be in good shape. They will be able to use some of the gates on the AA side, so its not as though they are locked to 7.

Thanks for the update. Glad to see VX is gaining a foot hold in California. I'd love to see them expand to more cities, especially in the Midwest, but I won't hold my breath for MSP though. I'm sure DL's product out of MSP is more than enough to keep passengers loyal. No matter what people around here say about a lack of competition, they always book DL or NW (back in the old days). Considering DL's overall product these days, I doubt there would be enough defectors to VX to make it worth their while.


User currently offlineLAXintl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

So todays the first day.

Any early reports on how things are going?

Virgin America has a site with pictures of the facility
http://www.virginamerica.com/vx/sfo-t2


User currently offlinelegacyins From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

I walked through on my lunch hour. Does not seem overly crowded. Lots of staff around from AA and VX helping paxs and crew. Talked to the duty manager for SFO and he mentioned there were no major concerns.

TSA lines were short. Nice to see they have F/J class dedicated lines.


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

Quoting msp747 (Reply 5):
With only 7 gates, there doesn't seem to be much space for Virgin America to expand. How many gates do they already use and what do they do if the airline continues to grow successfully? It wouldn't seem like they could buy American's new gates out. Would they have to move back to another terminal?

AA will eventually move to T1.

Quote:
Approval of Reimbursement to American Airlines for the Interim Relocation Costs from Terminal 3 to Terminal 2 in an Amount Not-to-Exceed $4,800,000

No. 10-0048 Resolution approving reimbursement to be taken in the form of a rental credit to American Airlines for the costs related to their interim relocation in an amount not-to-exceed $4,800,000.

Mr. Fermin said that this item is part of a larger plan to vacate airlines out of Boarding Area B for its demolition and refurbishment, and for the longer term renovation of Terminal 1 as well as to situate the Star Alliance Partners in Terminal 3, and the One World Alliance Airlines in Terminal 1 and the adjacent International Terminal Boarding Area A. American’s move to Terminal 2 will free up Boarding Area E in Terminal 3. Once E is renovated then Continental and US Air will move out of Boarding Area B to the former American Airlines area in Boarding Area E. Previously, Air Canada moved from Boarding Area B to Boarding Area E as part of this plan. That leaves Southwest and Alaska in Boarding Area B. We already have an agreement with Alaska for their move out of Boarding Area B when we demolish the western wing of B leaving Southwest in their current four gates in B with the ability to expand into USAir’s vacated gates in Boarding Area B. Alaska will then move to the I.T. after Virgin America moves to Terminal 2 helping to keep the International Terminal Boarding Area A utilized with Virgin America’s move. Eventually, when the longer term renovation of Terminal 1 is done, American will move to its permanent home in Terminal 1 adjacent to its One World Alliance partners who are all in the I.T. Boarding Area A.
Source (SFO Airport Commission minutes of February 18, 2010 meeting)

Of course, "eventually" could be years away.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineas739x From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 9):

Exactly what I got. Spoke with a good friend who is a manager and said everything was going fantastic. Other then the usual little glitches. Only issue's I saw while in the tower today was some VX a/c pushing onto taxiway alpha when they should have been pushed into the alley. The ground controllers were very helpful and understanding with the ramp crews.

There does appear top be an issue with the taxiway lines in the alleys. Though there are two lines for A32X/737 series, the wingtip clearance doesn't appear to be enough for the pilots comfort. I saw a few AA crews just wait before entering while company aircraft pulled out.


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