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UA Japan service reductions  
User currently offlinewarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 11563 times:

Due to the events in Japan, UA has made schedule changes.

The second daily SFO-NRT-SFO flight was scheduled to begin March 26/27. It was canceled a few days prior to beginning.

The current SFO-NRT-SFO departure will shift departure times slightly and will be downgraded to 777 (from 747) equipment as of April 16/17.

The current ORD-NRT-ORD departure will be downgraded to 777 (from 747) equipment as of May 3/4.

These changes will leave UA's NRT operations without TPAC 747 services.

Recap of the other UA schedules:
HNL-NRT-HNL 777
LAX-NRT-LAX 777
SEA-NRT-SEA 777
IAD-NRT-IAD 777

In addition, the ex-NRT tag-on flights to ICN, TPE, PEK, SIN are currently all 777 equipment. BKK is still showing on the schedules as a 747, however I suspect that an equipment change will occur (to 777) as of May 3/4.

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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9607 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 11522 times:

Good to see them able to maintain all their service. I'm not surprised to see the 747s pulled off the routes. I don't think UA has been down to a single 777 size departure SFO-NRT since the Pan Am takeover, but capacity can easily shift to other flights as needed.


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User currently offlineBA747400 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 11404 times:

I wonder where these 777's will come from/what previous 777 routes will now see the 744? IAD-FRA comes to mind?

User currently offlineKngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 403 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 11327 times:
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ORD-PEK is going from 777 to 744.

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 11307 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
Good to see them able to maintain all their service. I'm not surprised to see the 747s pulled off the routes. I don't think UA has been down to a single 777 size departure SFO-NRT since the Pan Am takeover, but capacity can easily shift to other flights as needed.

There's also the ANA flight, so passengers won't be affected too much.

Hopefully this would strengthen the LAX and SEA flights to NRT instead of pushing all the volume to a fog-clogged airport (albeit with a very nice international terminal)


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11270 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 11190 times:

Quoting BA747400 (Reply 2):
IAD-FRA comes to mind?

Would they reopen the 747 pilots base at IAD to do that?



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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 10947 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 5):
Would they reopen the 747 pilots base at IAD to do that?

No, when FRA/LHR goes to a 74-4 they build it as a "W" trip; ORD/SFO-FRA/LHR-IAD-FRA-ORD/SFO. Long trip but worth a ton of time...so they go senior.


User currently offlineapjung From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 10811 times:

It would be great to see UA bring back SFO-TPE nonstop on a 744 and restore another one-layover option for me from MSY. While I'm at it, why not base a secondary UA Asian hub at TPE?


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9607 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 10686 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 5):

Would they reopen the 747 pilots base at IAD to do that?

747 pilots will still be based out of SFO and ORD. LAX and IAD routes either dead head or do a W routing.

Quoting BA747400 (Reply 2):
I wonder where these 777's will come from/what previous 777 routes will now see the 744? IAD-FRA comes to mind?

Things are starting to make more sense since the 747 fleet was looking like the summer would stretch it super thin with LHR getting 747s for the first time in a long time.



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 10533 times:

Quoting apjung (Reply 7):

A 747 is over kill for a route that hasn't been able to maintain non-stop like TPE. If SFO-TPE returns it would be with a 777.

Quoting D L X (Reply 5):

No. In the not so distant future you may not see the 747's at IAD at all. Most likely they will be flying from a different east coast hub where the globe tail is already present.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25137 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 10208 times:

Quoting warreng24 (Thread starter):
It was canceled a few days prior to beginning.

Not cancelled - suspended/delayed

Planned start up - now is May

Quoting warreng24 (Thread starter):
downgraded
Quoting warreng24 (Thread starter):
downgraded

Downgauged is the term

Quoting warreng24 (Thread starter):
BKK is still showing on the schedules as a 747

For now remains a 744.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 8):
747 pilots will still be based out of SFO and ORD. LAX and IAD routes either dead head or do a W routing.

LAX is a 744 crew base. Has been for 20-years now.



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User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3402 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 10122 times:

This could be a good time to do some cabin modifications.

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2406 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 10089 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 11):
This could be a good time to do some cabin modifications.

AVOD/power mods in Y would take a lot more time to plan and carry out. I would not expect new 747 Y product until mid-2012 at the earliest.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9607 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 10052 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 8):
747 pilots will still be based out of SFO and ORD. LAX and IAD routes either dead head or do a W routing.

LAX is a 744 crew base. Has been for 20-years now.

Really? When I looked at pilot bid sheets last year, I always saw them flying dead head between SFO and LAX.



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 9967 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 13):

LAX is a 747 crew base. One of my old pilot friends at Alaska, his wife is a UA 747 f/o based at LAX.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25137 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 9939 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 13):
Really? When I looked at pilot bid sheets last year, I always saw them flying dead head between SFO and LAX.

Look again, and you'll see 3 744 bases. LAX, ORD, SFO.

Just because some pairings might be built that utilize out of base people does not mean there is no LAX base. For example in return during April, LAX crews are flying the SFO-FRA pairing, utilizing a DH to get to/from SFO.



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3970 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 9712 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
For now remains a 744.

Does that mean UA is going to keep a 747 in Asia just to do a NRT-BKK-NRT turn? Must be some pretty nice yields on the route to justify that expense.



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User currently offlinehiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 9290 times:

I would think you might see a 744 ex EWR or IAH to free a 777.

User currently offlineIrishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 9019 times:

What about taking the 744 on the SFO-NRT leg and upgrading the 2nd SFO-FRA flight from a 777 to a 744.

We could have SFO-FRA 2x daily with the 744.


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 8575 times:

Quoting Irishpower (Reply 18):
What about taking the 744 on the SFO-NRT leg and upgrading the 2nd SFO-FRA flight from a 777 to a 744.

We could have SFO-FRA 2x daily with the 744.

That would be a lot of capacity on the SFO-FRA route. With LH adding the A380, you would have ~1250 daily seats available.



John@SFO
User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9607 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 8470 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 16):

Does that mean UA is going to keep a 747 in Asia just to do a NRT-BKK-NRT turn? Must be some pretty nice yields on the route to justify that expense.


They can only keep a 747 there for a few weeks before having to fly it to ORD for A check and assorted maintenance that is not done at BKK or NRT. Also, that's a lot of dead headed crews across the Pacific which is pricey (DL knows the real cost of that). I'd be surprised if it stayed a 747, but NRT-BKK has the highest load factor of any widebody route flown in the UA network.



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2510 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 8122 times:

When the situation in Japan improves and business/tourist travel rebounds, I'd think UA will put 747's back on some of these routes, won't they?

User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 7374 times:

Might we see IAH/EWR - LHR become a 744 route to free up a 777 even for just a short while?

User currently offlineDC8FanJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 7274 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 21):
When the situation in Japan improves and business/tourist travel rebounds, I'd think UA will put 747's back on some of these routes, won't they?

I would certainly think so. This change simply reflects the reality of the traffic loss to NRT. The situation remains
so uncertain with the nuclear plants, it may be a long time.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5771 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 6599 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 11):
This could be a good time to do some cabin modifications.

Instead of that, let's get on some REPAINTS!!!
Not that the 744 fleet is looking shabby- I'd rather see the old colors 767 and 777 get respray first. BUT- it's all got to be done, so why not use a lull in flight activity to your advantage!!


25 as739x : Actually the 747 is scheduled to be the last fleet type completely repainted. That being said if they are utilized less then maybe they can get them
26 LAXintl : The 2nd SFO-NRT will resume April 28th per UA announcement. Additionally there will be a few random day of the week cancellations of EWR, IAD, LAX, SE
27 IADLHR : Just out of curiosity, how many days is a trip like that?
28 BCEaglesCO757 : I haven't heard anyone here at work say anything about it. But the IAH-LHR route is the one I've had my eye on as a possible 74 upgrade. I know we've
29 United Airline : Is this temporary? Will IAD see UA B747-400s?
30 CALPSAFltSkeds : Yes, get on with the painting! It looks to me that the 2nd SFO-NRT would provide the 777 to downgraded the 1st SFO-NRT, releasing a 744. The ORD 777/
31 UA772IAD : LAX has a base for "400" crews: see LAXIntl's explanations above. Currently, there are no 747 operations out of IAD, with the exception of a random s
32 as739x : I understand that. I am aware IAD doesn't have any scheduled right now. But they are occasionally scheduled there. My point is that its likely the 74
33 PacificClipper : The only way I could see SFO-TPE returning (profitably) would be with a 787, range allowing. TLV would be a good candidate. I'm not sure how strong l
34 UAL777UK : Oh yes they do, ORD - LHR 958/929 is now a 744 so that could be worked into an IAD - LHR 744 offering.
35 ORDnHKG : Because TPE is a low yield market, if there is a secondary UA Asian hub, it would certainly be HKG instead.
36 ABQopsHP : Was looking at the loads from IAH-NRT (CO), and I would say now is a good time to non-rev. Last Monday, there were only 16 people in C, and just over
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