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AA 737-800 Delivery Question  
User currently offline28L28L From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 459 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8660 times:

AA has been taking delivery of dozens of 737-800s in the past couple of years, but has not had any deliveries since late 2010. Why the sudden cessation? Will they be taking delivery of any new 800s in 2011?
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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9633 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8546 times:

No new deliveries in 1st quarter 2011, but they will start up again in about a month. They have been receiving quite a few 737s. It's great to see MD80s getting pulled off of many of the ORD routes.


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User currently offlineN737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8239 times:

Deliveries are scheduled to resume in May. One per month til Aug then three per month til Nov then a rate of two per month til end of order in Dec 2012. That will bring the fleet total to 195. By then all the original 75 will be retrofitted to the new look and 16F/144Y config.

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11598 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8175 times:

Quoting N737AA (Reply 2):
That will bring the fleet total to 195.

What of the remaining 12?

Total order book stands at 207, if I'm not mistaken, unless something has changed.


User currently offlineN737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7616 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
What of the remaining 12?

Total order book stands at 207, if I'm not mistaken, unless something has changed.

The official plans book only shows those numbers; however, there are placemarkers for the remaining aircraft, but usually don't fill them in until they get airframe data from Boeing. I suspect those will be firmed up next year. Right now the book only shows info thru aircraft #195. I am sure that will change by then, we have options for over 400.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3784 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7174 times:
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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
It's great to see MD80s getting pulled off of many of the ORD routes.

What's so great about this? It sounds like you are happy to see the MD-80s going away from the fleet. I am not too happy to see them going away, I prefer those over the 737. I find it more pleasant to fly on those over the 737. Quieter cabin. This being said, I would always choose that one over a 737 if possible.

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User currently offlineRising From United States of America, joined May 2010, 272 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7077 times:

Do the new airplanes have that giant "Scissor Eagle" painted on the bulkhead by the First Class galley, like in the older models? It's the first thing you see once you step on the plane. I always found this to be one of the best parts of the interior. A symbol of strength.


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User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6972 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
It's great to see MD80s getting pulled off of many of the ORD routes.

No it's not. While marginally superior in an economic sense, the 738 is nothing like as good as the Super80 from a PAX eye view. Fly the two back to back sometime...


User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2282 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6665 times:

Quoting Rising (Reply 6):
Do the new airplanes have that giant "Scissor Eagle" painted on the bulkhead by the First Class galley, like in the older models?

Yes, they do. All of AA's a/c have the Eagle in the primary entry way, except the domestic 757s. Those will get the Eagle when the new laminates are installed during the reconfiguration.



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6255 times:

Quoting N737AA (Reply 2):
By then all the original 75 will be retrofitted to the new look and 16F/144Y config.

A bit off topic, but how many of the original 738s have gone through retrofit? What is the schedule for completing the retrofit on the orginal fleet of 738s?

My understanding is once the 738 retrofit is complete, then works starts on the cabin refurbishment of the 757 domestic fleet.


User currently offlineAAExecPlat From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 635 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6148 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 7):
While marginally superior in an economic sense

With the price of oil being where it's at, I am not so sure about your statement. Especially on longer sectors, the 738 guzzles significantly less fuel.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9633 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6111 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 5):

What's so great about this? It sounds like you are happy to see the MD-80s going away from the fleet. I am not too happy to see them going away, I prefer those over the 737. I find it more pleasant to fly on those over the 737. Quieter cabin. This being said, I would always choose that one over a 737 if possible.

While engine noise is less, the decibel level in the first class cabin of an MD80 at cruise is actually higher than a 737NG or A320. The difference is wind noise which is extraordinarily loud in the MD80 which has a lot to do with the style of insulation. It's only quieter when not at cruise speed.

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 7):

No it's not. While marginally superior in an economic sense, the 738 is nothing like as good as the Super80 from a PAX eye view. Fly the two back to back sometime...

The 2x3 seating can be great if you take advantage of it, but in general I don't prefer them and I've flown on both plenty of times.



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User currently offlineBlueman87 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5807 times:

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User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5770 times:

Quoting AAExecPlat (Reply 10):

With the price of oil being where it's at, I am not so sure about your statement. Especially on longer sectors, the 738 guzzles significantly less fuel.

I don't know about significantly. You have remember that the 738 is a lot heavier too. And really, the advantage isn't so much the fuel burn as it is that it carries more people.

The other problem is factoring in overall cost. I'm not sure how it works for AA's particular case, but there are things like lease rates to consider as well. Since there's no way AA is paying on the 80's anything like what a 738 costs, this is probably a significant factor. The total cost advantage of a 738 over a paid for Super 80 may not be all that great for now...

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 11):

The 2x3 seating can be great if you take advantage of it, but in general I don't prefer them and I've flown on both plenty of times

Could just be my perception, but it also seems that the 80's have just slightly better seat pitch as well. On anyone other than AS, WN & CO (and I'm sure this will change for the worse when they are fully merged with UAL) 73NGs seem to be pretty tight anywhere in Y. Also, I like that almost all seats in the 80 are quieter than all seats in any 73NG... But that's a straight up opinion...


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6565 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5649 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 13):
CO (and I'm sure this will change for the worse when they are fully merged with UAL) 73NGs seem to be pretty tight anywhere in Y. Also, I like that almost all seats in the 80 are quieter than all seats in any 73NG... But that's a straight up opinion...

UA announced that they will install Y+ in the CO fleet so legroom will acutally INCREASE because of the merger.

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User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5622 times:

Across all of coach, or just Y+? I only care as I tend to have a lot of last minute bookings and one of the things that has soured me, with UAL, in the past is that there seems to be a dearth of those seats at times. Ticket prices north of $1200 for 31" or less of pitch do not impress, I must say. With CO, I never really had to worry about that...

I will say that I have always liked CO's 73NGs though, and the idea that there won't be much of a guess factor there when booking last minute.


User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2282 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5389 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 9):
A bit off topic, but how many of the original 738s have gone through retrofit? What is the schedule for completing the retrofit on the orginal fleet of 738s?

My understanding is once the 738 retrofit is complete, then works starts on the cabin refurbishment of the 757 domestic fleet.

Of the original build 738s, 33 have been reconfigured with 44 remaining. The fleet should be complete by the end of the year. As for the 757, 7 a/c (out of 104) have been reconfigured, with two more undergoing the mods as we speak. The 757 mods are not scheduled to be complete until 2014-2015.



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User currently offlineBlueJuice From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5370 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 13):
Could just be my perception, but it also seems that the 80's have just slightly better seat pitch as well. On anyone other than AS, WN & CO (and I'm sure this will change for the worse when they are fully merged with UAL) 73NGs seem to be pretty tight anywhere in Y. Also, I like that almost all seats in the 80 are quieter than all seats in any 73NG... But that's a straight up opinion...

It's not your imagination. The MD80s still have the More Room Throughout Coach (MRTC) configuration ahead of the exit rows.


User currently offlinetsugambler From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5345 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
It's great to see MD80s getting pulled off of many of the ORD routes.

Not for me. I like flying on MD-80s. It will be a sad day for me when they're all gone from AA's fleet.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6565 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 15):
Across all of coach, or just Y+? I only care as I tend to have a lot of last minute bookings and one of the things that has soured me, with UAL, in the past is that there seems to be a dearth of those seats at times. Ticket prices north of $1200 for 31" or less of pitch do not impress, I must say. With CO, I never really had to worry about that...

More legroom in Y+; you do not have to pay that much usually since there are usually Y+ available at the airport. LAX-SFO is about $19 more, LAX-ORD about $39.They are not decreasing the legroom in Y on CO; they are ADDING legroom with the new Y+ section. The whole point is to have a section with more legroom for frequent flyers and for people who want to pay more, NOT to have more legroom for everyone. Also not to decease legroom in Y either.

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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5197 times:

Quoting BlueJuice (Reply 17):
It's not your imagination. The MD80s still have the More Room Throughout Coach (MRTC) configuration ahead of the exit rows.

I have an old seating chart from the WSJ. It was published after AA put 1 row of coach back into the MD-80s, but before the galley removal and other changes.

According to the seating chart, on the 3 side, rows 8-13 and 22-27 have more leg room than the other rows. Also, rows 22-27 on the 2 side have less leg room. Whether this is still fully accurate, I don't know. But I do know that 8-13 on the 3 side are a bit roomier than on the 2 side, having sat on both sides of the aisle.


User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5094 times:

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 16):
Of the original build 738s, 33 have been reconfigured with 44 remaining. The fleet should be complete by the end of the year. As for the 757, 7 a/c (out of 104) have been reconfigured, with two more undergoing the mods as we speak. The 757 mods are not scheduled to be complete until 2014-2015.

What is different about the reconfigured 738s?

Also, any pics of the reconfigured 757s?


User currently offlineBlueJuice From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 20):
According to the seating chart, on the 3 side, rows 8-13 and 22-27 have more leg room than the other rows. Also, rows 22-27 on the 2 side have less leg room. Whether this is still fully accurate, I don't know. But I do know that 8-13 on the 3 side are a bit roomier than on the 2 side, having sat on both sides of the aisle.

Thanks for the clarification. According to some FAs I have spoken to, a few seats in the back by those JT8s have less seat pitch.

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 21):
Also, any pics of the reconfigured 757s?

I had some pics but those may have been deleted. If I find them I'll post them. Essentially the refreshed 752s are similar to the 738s. A few observations from one of my flights. There are now 2 more F seats (24 vs 22). The closet behind row 5 on the left side has been removed. Y and F seats use the sliding seat cushion recline. The big CRT screens has been replaced with widescreen LCD monitors. The lavs have a curved door and white LED accent lights. The overheads seemed recycled with regular incandescent seat lights. The FA now have the touchscreen control panels for cabin management just like on the 738s.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11598 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4975 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 21):
What is different about the reconfigured 738s?

They are essentially reconfigured - as much as possible - to match the brand new 737s AA has been taking delivery off more recently (last two years).

The reconfigured planes have the new sinking-reclining Coach seats, flat-panel LCD screens, new light fixtures, upgraded flight attendant control panels, and I believe the new First seats as well.

One note on those new Coach seats currently flying around on all of the new 737s and some of the refurbished older ones: those are some of the most comfortable Coach seats I have ever been in. They are thinner, which provides more legroom, but the way in which they recline - with the seat actually sliding slightly forward and the back sliding slightly downward - cradles the passenger quite comfortably without detracting from the space of the person behind. Those seats are great.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1541 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
Quoting N737AA (Reply 2):
That will bring the fleet total to 195.

What of the remaining 12?

Total order book stands at 207, if I'm not mistaken, unless something has changed.

At the end of 2010, AA had 152 738s. They are taking delivery of 15 738s in 2011 and 28 in 2012. Beyond that they have firm orders for 11 738s to be delivered in 2013 or later. That gives a total of 206. Perhaps your number included the KIN write-off. I got all this info from the 10-K.

Quoting commavia (Reply 23):
One note on those new Coach seats currently flying around on all of the new 737s and some of the refurbished older ones: those are some of the most comfortable Coach seats I have ever been in. They are thinner, which provides more legroom, but the way in which they recline - with the seat actually sliding slightly forward and the back sliding slightly downward - cradles the passenger quite comfortably without detracting from the space of the person behind. Those seats are great.

The Weber 5751. I agree they're comfortable and they seem to be very popular with airlines too as AA, UA, and DL are all installing them on new or refurbished aircraft.



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25 commavia : Ah yes, of course - forgot the KIN W/O. That explains the difference. Thanks. They really are great seats.
26 Post contains images TUSAA : Well, when your flying free as a D1/D2 there all great seats aren't they?
27 ATLflyer : Oh wow...I'd love to see some photos. That's quite a refurbishment. Great to hear.
28 LMP737 : The first class seats have been replaced as well in the reconfigured 737's. On a side note the two aft lavs have been replaced while the first class
29 wn700driver : If it doesn't take away from any of the other seats, then yeah, I guess it's a good thing; I can't see how it would be bad... But what about on AC li
30 commavia : I doubt it, personally, although I wish they would. The 757s may get them as they get refurbished, but beyond that, I wouldn't hold my breath. I doub
31 The777Man : Yes, they will reduce the number of seats on the 738 and 73G to instiall Y ; otherwise you couldn't increade the legroom. in Y+. Recinfiguration star
32 LMP737 : Yes, starting in May all newly delivered 737's will have the Sky Interior.[Edited 2011-04-05 07:44:30]
33 BlueJuice : Bad news, good news. Bad: Couldn't find the pics from last year Good: Just got off a AA refurbed 752. Took some pics that either will either post her
34 ATLflyer : Looking forward to it...
35 Post contains links and images qqflyboy : They're not much, but these two photos show the new domestic First class. Compared to this: View Large View MediumPhoto © Andy Egloff[Edited 2011-04
36 PacificClipper : I think you should check your figures. Every CO 737 & 757 model has a seat pitch of 31" in Y, the same as UA does on the A319/A320/757 (AS has 32
37 ATLflyer : Thanks for the pictures. American sure does love that seat pattern! Much needed improvement.
38 TrijetsRMissed : Now that the 738 has a considerable presence at ORD, can we expect future deliveries to be allocated to DFW markets? On a recent stopover, I was surpr
39 American 767 : They'll be gone in 2025 at the latest, by then the 737 retirement will have begun already. But my favorite is the 727. Between the 727 and MD-80: I p
40 TrijetsRMissed : That's fine, we're all entitled to favorites. But as mentioned, the survey results yielded different opinions. Airlines surveyed had to either fly th
41 Post contains images wn700driver : Check yours. The seat pitches, being equal, do not account for the fact that UAL seats are significantly thicker in cross section, effectively removi
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