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New US Airline - Orange Air  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24347 posts, RR: 47
Posted (3 years 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 23841 times:

**NOT April Fools Thread**

A new US start up carrier called Orange Air has filed with the DOT for a certificate of Public Convenience for interstate passenger services.

Orange Air based at Orlando Sanford airport and owned by RWF Capital proposes utilizing MD-83 equipment in single class 169 passenger configuration on public and private charterers commencing November 2011.

Carrier expects to receive its first aircraft in September to commence proving runs and has secured $3.1mil in start up capital so far.

OST-2011-TBA


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User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 23808 times:

There going to have quite a bit of competition with Allegiant out of SFB. Anyway good to hear of more new airlines.


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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 23597 times:

Between G4 at SFB and now Direct Air opening up LAL I'm not sure there are many markets a new airline could go and make a decent yield

User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2088 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 23369 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
A new US start up carrier called Orange Air
Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 1):
Anyway good to hear of more new airlines.

It is good, because we're bored of just hearing about mergers and acquisitions!

It was only a matter of time before Americans invented a new Braniff, or maybe it's an American version of easyJet?     


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4947 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 23344 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
and has secured $3.1mil in start up capital so far.

Yikes! That is a very tiny amount to start an airline with!



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User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 23259 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Orange Air based at Orlando Sanford airport and owned by RWF Capital proposes utilizing MD-83 equipment in single class 169 passenger configuration on public and private charterers commencing November 2011.

There was an airline with that name with that equipment and with SFB plans back in 2001 when I was in college, either recycled news or regurgitated business plan...



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User currently offlineCRJ900LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 22804 times:

It will never fly. There is to much compitetion already. G4 could easily run these guys out of business in a month. Take the 3.1 million and do something else with it cause it looks like a no win situation here in my opinioon

User currently offlineCODCA09 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 21958 times:

Can't find the DOT docket and can't find anything on RWF Capital. This seems a bit fishy.

I guess if WN abandons all of FL's MCO point to point markets like CRW, ABE, TYS, etc then maybe there will be a void that this Orange Air can fill. It will be interesting to see what happens...


User currently offlinerbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19859 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 4):

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
and has secured $3.1mil in start up capital so far.

Yikes! That is a very tiny amount to start an airline with!

Agreed. A startup can burn through that in fairly short order. Good luck to them though, if it's for real.


User currently offlinecuban8 From Kiribati, joined Sep 2009, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18833 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Orange Air based at Orlando Sanford airport and owned by RWF Capital proposes utilizing MD-83 equipment in single class 169 passenger configuration on public and private charterers commencing November 2011.

I know the leasing costs are low, but how come new companies are insisting on starting with old metal. Is it too hard to find some second hand 737NG / Airbus 32X ?


User currently offlinegocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4335 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18748 times:

Realistically, at least they're not ulitizing 747-400s from Sanford to Atlanta like Family Air.   Interesting how long this airline will survive.

User currently offlinebrettdespain From United States of America, joined May 2005, 178 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 18053 times:

Quoting CRJ900LR (Reply 6):

It will never fly. There is to much compitetion already. G4 could easily run these guys out of business in a month. Take the 3.1 million and do something else with it cause it looks like a no win situation here in my opinioon


Exactly



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User currently offlineMrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 17810 times:

I have searched high and low, and am unable to locate any official filings OR news articles. But LAXIntl is one my most respected anetters, so I'm stuck.. seems fishy.


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User currently offlineCODCA09 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 17810 times:

Quoting CRJ900LR (Reply 6):
It will never fly. There is to much compitetion already. G4 could easily run these guys out of business in a month. Take the 3.1 million and do something else with it cause it looks like a no win situation here in my opinioon

True if you're going to start up a new airlines best to pick markets where competition with established carriers is at a minimum.


User currently offlineMrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 17761 times:

Chalking this one up to 4/1.  


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24347 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 17532 times:

You guys are missing an important piece. Orange proposes to:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
public and private charterers

They will not be competing against Allegiant or any scheduled airline. They will be an ACMI operator. The plane wont move until its paid for. A very different business model.

Quoting CODCA09 (Reply 7):
Can't find the DOT docket and can't find anything on RWF Capital. This seems a bit fishy.
Quoting MrSkyGuy (Reply 12):
I have searched high and low, and am unable to locate any official filings OR news articles.

Filing is available at top of front page http://airlineinfo.com/ (sub needed). Otherwise should be on regulations.gov once OST number is issued likely on Monday.

Regarding RWF, per filings its a partnership of AirTrust Capital Corp., which currently manage and are equity holders in a fleet of more than 40 aircraft under lease to airlines throughout the world.
The aircraft intended for this operation is managed by AirTrust Capital along with Bank of Utah.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24109 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 16817 times:

As a sidenote, there's an Ornge Air (no "a" in Ornge) in Canada. They specialize in medical evacuation and ambulance flights in Ontario with a fleet of 4 Pilatus PC-12s and 11 Sikorsky S-76s, and have 10 Agusta/Westland 139 helicopters on order (at least one already in service). About 400 employees. It's set up as a non-profitable charitable foundation.
http://www.ornge.ca/Pages/Default.aspx



[Edited 2011-04-02 14:21:41]

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4947 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15082 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
As a sidenote, there's an Ornge Air (no "a" in Ornge) in Canada.

WOW! I like that PC-12! Looks sexy in that paint scheme.


Anyways, I wish them the best of luck. I always love to see anyone achieve their dreams. It is even better to see them successful in their dreams. While the odds are against them, you can bet you will see me on the sidelines cheering them on. Best of luck to Orange Air.



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User currently offlinefoxtrot2 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14337 times:

Is Orange Air going to be scheduled public charters like DirectAir? or just doing some public/private charters here in there? Whos behind the start-up? interesting....

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24347 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 13947 times:

Available and posted at regulations.gov website under OST-2011-0073.


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User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1122 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13445 times:

3.1 million.

Uh-huh. Anyone want to place a bet now on how long before some snag or unexpected mx on their MD-83 causes the windshield of reality to catch up to this particular fly?



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User currently offlineMrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13422 times:

Quoting starrion (Reply 20):

3.1 million.

Uh-huh. Anyone want to place a bet now on how long before some snag or unexpected mx on their MD-83 causes the windshield of reality to catch up to this particular fly?

$3.1M will get you further than you think.. remember this isn't a game of store-bought merchandise at sticker price exchanged for cash. There's leveraged assets and financing involved in about 98% of these cases. $3.1M can generally raise 10x that figure if handled properly.



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