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Airlines In Mexico - Candidates For Alliances?  
User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2182 posts, RR: 13
Posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

With AM firmly in Skyteam and Mexicana sort of dead (and if it is alive it'll be in oneworld) I was wondering about the other Mexican carriers.

Does anyone of them have the "characteristics" of a (future) alliance member in either Star Alliance or oneworld? "Characteristics" being a wide network reach, not a hard core LCC product (i.e. anything between Singapore Airlines and Egyptair), operational reliability?

Mexico is an interesting but I know fairly little about carriers other than the two flagships AM and MX there. It always seemed to me that there are a couple of airlines that have been around forever and use planes that date from the early days of those carriers' existence (still some B737-200 around, right?); and a handful of newer creations that mainly use Airbus aircraft. Maybe someone can shed some light on the Mexican airline landscape.

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User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

I'm not aware of any which are not either
a.) really small
b.) LCCs
or both.

OTOH, Star doesn't seem to have any standards for admission...maybe they'll be glad to have Viva Aerobus join!   


User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

Please Southwest and Volaris tie the knot...I fly both and would like to receive WN points for my Volaris flights. Volaris is positioning itself for this marriage by beginning service from WN strongholds: OAK, LAS, LAX and cities with strong WN presence like SMF and SAN.

User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6203 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1301 times:
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In my opinion, Star and OneWorld will start the process to incorporate a member soon. Mexicana is dead and not coming back. And in whatever state it comes back, if it does, it won´t be able to perform any "alliance worthy" tasks for a long while.

As of know, LH and AV for example, have tremendous problems receiving and spreading feed into primary and secondary Mexican cities. LH from its 498/499 flights. Other airlines terminating at MEX are facing similar issues. So I believe that sooner rather than later, if not full membership, Volaris and Interjet will be offered at least "associate status". They are not LCC´s per se anymore anyway, their aircraft are top notch and their service is excellent.

[Edited 2011-04-03 19:29:07]


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User currently offlineskyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1263 times:

Quoting mozart (Thread starter):
Does anyone of them have the "characteristics" of a (future) alliance member in either Star Alliance or oneworld? "Characteristics" being a wide network reach, not a hard core LCC product (i.e. anything between Singapore Airlines and Egyptair), operational reliability?

To me, the perfect candidate is Interjet. They operate to a large number of Mexican cities (no international flights) from its new MEX hub. They switch many flights from TLC to MEX when they bought the slots from JR, well before MX went down under. They are a High efficency airline (Mexican Jet Blue kind off) and have great service and higher fares than others, plus airplanes that, although they do not have business class, offer plenty of space between seats (only 150 seats on their A320s) they can very well feed any European, American or SouthAmerican carrier. The problem with the other two (Volaris and Viva Aerobus) is that they have different hub cities far away from MEX. They just started to grow at MEX, and that is only because the government gave them free Slots when MX went down. Y4 is the king of TIJ and Viva started at MTY. From the two, Y4 is the closest to being the second option for an alliance, but they are now trying to start one with WN, as stated before and Viva is the Mexican Ryanair, so no alliance there.

From the airlines that are left, CO just signed an agreement with Aeromar, but Aeromar, with its turboprops (and some RJs) isn´t a good candidate, and although its business targeted in Mexico, they do not have Premium cabins and still only a few new jets they just received (they fly to ultra small mexican cities charging business customers ultra high fares in order to try not to compete to much with AM and the rest). The only one I am missing hasn´t started operations yet, and it is Aviacsa. If they fly again, it will take years for them to get newer planes that will be up to standard for any foreing carrier to sign an agreement with them and for them to start covering a great amount of mexican cities.

Well, hope this helps, as this is my opinion of the mexican aviation related to your question.

[Edited 2011-04-03 19:49:24]

User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

Quoting skyone (Reply 4):
Aeromar, with its turboprops (and some RJs) isn´t a good candidate, and although its business targeted in Mexico, they do not have Premium cabins and still only a few new jets they just received (they fly to ultra small mexican cities charging business customers ultra high fares in order to try not to compete to much with AM and the rest)

Yeah, FWIW, Aeromar would like to have everyone believe that its entire cabin is premium. Lol.



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