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Where Do US And AC Fly Their A321's  
User currently offline8b775zq From St. Kitts and Nevis, joined Aug 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10350 times:

Which destinations do US and AC fly A321's? Also are they more economical to use on these routes than B737, B757 or A320???

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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10275 times:

US flies them on the following routes: In no particular.

CLT-MCO
CLT-SEA
MCO-PHL
MCO-PHX
PHX-LAS
LAS-CLT
PHL-SAN
PHX-SAN
PHX-CLT
CLT-SAN
CLT-PHL
CLT-SFO
CLT-LAS
CLT-LAX
LAX-CLT
PHL-LAX
LAX-PHL
CLT-FLL
PHL-FLL
PHL-ATL
CLT-CUN

Those are ones that I know of.

KH



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User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10210 times:

US also flies LGA-CLT with the A321


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User currently offline8b775zq From St. Kitts and Nevis, joined Aug 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10211 times:

So US uses the the A321 for all domestic ops with CUN being the only intl. destination. Is this using the A321 to the most of its capabilities?

User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10103 times:

For AC (I'll try not to duplicate):

YYZ-YVR
YYZ-YYC
YYZ-YEG
YYZ-YUL
YYZ-YHZ
YYZ-YOW
YYZ-YWG
YYZ-LAX
YYZ-FLL
YYZ-MCO
YYZ-MBJ
YYZ-SJU

YUL-YVR
YUL-FLL
YUL-CUN

YVR-YOW
YVR-YYC

That is as far as I can see... There might be some scheduled flying on some weekends that I didn't catch. I only listed routes SCHEDULED as A321s as of right now, +/-2 Days. Sometimes routes are upgauged from an A320 to an A321, but I won't bother listing those (YYZ-CUN was one of those today).



Last Flight(s): YHZ-YYZ-YHZ.....Next Flight(s): YHZ-YYZ-IAH // IAH-SEA-YYJ // YYJ-YYZ-YHZ
User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4037 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10095 times:

Considering the 321 gets a bad rap for poor range...it is the closest Airbus product to the 757 in terms of seats, but when I worked at US, stories abounded about 321s having to stop for fuel on transcons because of a headwind. I sure wouldn't trust flying something like that say, across the pond.

User currently offlinen312rc From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10046 times:

US also uses them CLT-JAX. They overnight one in JAX.


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9957 times:

PHL-MBJ
PHL-CUN
PHL-TPA

I would like to know if they are used to BDA, SJU, DCA, and any international destination(s).

KH



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4387 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9925 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 5):
Considering the 321 gets a bad rap for poor range...

This mainly applies to the early A321-100 model, which was built for European routes. The A321-200 has practically the range of A320-200 or 737-800, but of course is no TATL plane.


User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7058 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9869 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 5):
Considering the 321 gets a bad rap for poor range...it is the closest Airbus product to the 757 in terms of seats, but when I worked at US, stories abounded about 321s having to stop for fuel on transcons because of a headwind. I sure wouldn't trust flying something like that say, across the pond.
Quoting Burkhard (Reply 8):
This mainly applies to the early A321-100 model, which was built for European routes. The A321-200 has practically the range of A320-200 or 737-800, but of course is no TATL plane.

That might change with A321NEO  



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4387 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9860 times:

Quoting columba (Reply 9):
That might change with A321NEO

My understanding is that the A321NEO will be able to fly passengers at US transcon routes for a CASM no other current plane come near to, but not a mile more - that extra mile would have to be paid as additional MTOW by every shorter range application. Unless there are two varients again, one which is optimized for JFK-SFO, and one that is optimized for JFK-HAM.


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9810 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 8):
This mainly applies to the early A321-100 model, which was built for European routes. The A321-200 has practically the range of A320-200 or 737-800, but of course is no TATL plane.

However, US only operates the -200 model, so these stories do originate from these frames. Overall, the A320 and A321 seem to be just on the edge for westbound US transcon flights. Also B6, before the reduced seating capacity (and thus, payload) had troubles with flying JFK-LGB with strong headwinds.

Of course, the sharklets, and later, the new engines will solve this problem easily.

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 10):
My understanding is that the A321NEO will be able to fly passengers at US transcon routes for a CASM no other current plane come near to, but not a mile more - that extra mile would have to be paid as additional MTOW by every shorter range application.

Would it require only an increase in MTOW? In that case it could possibly be achieved by simply offering different weight-variants, with only software-differences. (Much like the different 330-versions). Or would they need to modify the structure, increasing OEW in order to increase MTOW?


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4387 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9786 times:

In the end it is how much can you lift with the wing. This will be basically the existing one for now, so I do not see much MTOW increase compared to current A321-200 206klb. But the engineers will be breeding over this question during the next years.

User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9773 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 7):
I would like to know if they are used to BDA, SJU, DCA, and any international destination(s).

US has extended overwater-equipped 319s and 320s that do the bulk of the Caribbean flying, but they do use the 321 to some destinations, notably to Jamaica and Puerto Rico. I don't believe even a subset of the 321 fleet is EOW equipped, and every time I've been to BDA it's been on a 319, 320, 752 or 762. Similarly, the 752 operates the AUA flights - although it has similar capacity to the 321, it's ETOPS equipped.

US 1032 operates CLT-SJU with a 321, staying close enough to the coasts (for example, http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...history/20110403/1350Z/KCLT/TJSJ).

AFAIK the longest 321 route at US is still PHL-SFO. They operate to DCA some but not often - there are some in the pictures database here.


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9766 times:

This should roughly cover it for US:

PHX-ATL
PHX-CLT
PHX-FLL
PHX-LAS
PHX-LAX
PHX-MCO
PHX-MSP
PHX-PHL
PHX-SAN
PHX-SNA
PHX-TPA

CLT-ATL
CLT-BOS
CLT-BWI
CLT-CUN
CLT-FLL
CLT-JAX
CLT-LAS
CLT-LAX
CLT-LGA
CLT-MBJ
CLT-MCO
CLT-PHL
CLT-PHX
CLT-RDU
CLT-RSW
CLT-SAN
CLT-SEA
CLT-SFO
CLT-SJU
CLT-TPA

PHL-CUN
PHL-LAS
PHL-LAX
PHL-MBJ
PHL-MCO
PHL-ORD
PHL-PHX
PHL-SAN
PHL-SFO
PHL-TPA

And with 12 more coming this year, I'm sure this list will grow...



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User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9741 times:

^^ ahem. . . There's one (US that is) at DFW right now. . . (not a sub either)

User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9703 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 15):

^^ ahem. . . There's one (US that is) at DFW right now. . . (not a sub either)

Operating what flight?



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User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9647 times:

I think it came in from CLT, got here around PM9... We almost never get those from PHL and PHX will only send a substitution for that.

User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9610 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 17):
I think it came in from CLT, got here around PM9... We almost never get those from PHL and PHX will only send a substitution for that.

Huh, interesting. There's only so much I can access at the moment, but I can't seem to find it anywhere.



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User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9559 times:

We've been getting them for as long as I can remember (at least 2008 anyway), though there are periods where it seems like it's just 19's & 20's here. There've been several nights where we've had two or even three of them at a time. It also seems like they and the '19s are the most likely to still have the gray bellies too. I guess most of them are repainted by now though...

It's why I was very surprised to see our station (which is one of 'Airway's largest downline stations, btw...) not mentioned on any of those lists.


User currently offlinedivemaster08 From Cayman Islands, joined Jul 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9203 times:

Depending on tfc loads, over the winter, we see the US A321 come in to GCM from CLT a bit. They usually bring in the A320 but sometimes loads benefit having the bigger bird on the route.


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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8232 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9165 times:

Quoting joost (Reply 11):
However, US only operates the -200 model, so these stories do originate from these frames. Overall, the A320 and A321 seem to be just on the edge for westbound US transcon flights. Also B6, before the reduced seating capacity (and thus, payload) had troubles with flying JFK-LGB with strong headwinds.

That's true however keep in mind that there are a few days in the year (Winter), when the head winds are down right brutal and it affects both Airbus and Boeing products but you'll never hear about the 737's stopping for a refuel. Or almost never. AS Fuel Stops To Hawaii (by caleb1 Feb 27 2011 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlinethegman From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9072 times:

There are more routes than listed.

CLT-PLS is an example.


User currently offlinegift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7005 times:

Not mentioned here, but also Sundays only on the current schedule, US operates the 321 PVD-CLT, (its the RON from sat night). So the list of US 321 routes, is very long, and varied.

-Tony@PVD



Top 3 airports: PVD 26.0%(115 flights), PHL 15.6%(69 flights), PHX 12.0%(53 flights)
User currently offlineheathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 978 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6938 times:

Quoting RJLover (Reply 4):

YYZ-YVR
YYZ-YYC
YYZ-YEG
YYZ-YUL
YYZ-YHZ
YYZ-YOW
YYZ-YWG
YYZ-LAX
YYZ-FLL
YYZ-MCO
YYZ-MBJ
YYZ-SJU

YUL-YVR
YUL-FLL
YUL-CUN

YVR-YOW
YVR-YYC

the tricky part about this is they opperate many different aircraft on all these routes, and they are moved around quite a bit. I used to fly YYZ - YYC and YYZ - YEG a lot, and countless times I've been booked on a 321 and had a 320 waiting at the gate for me


25 Boeing744 : This happens all throughout the Air Canada A32X fleet. I can't even count the number of times I've been switched between an A319 and A320. Haha I alw
26 longhauler : We were recently told that the A321 has the best seat mile costs in the fleet on a transcon flight. That would be better than a B767-300, A330 or B77
27 HPRamper : I remember back in my US days hearing that they never had enough planes for DFW...a flight would be added and would be immediately full. I'm not surp
28 thenoflyzone : So, looking at all these routings.....looks like the longest A321 flight is US's PHL-LAX, at 3865 km. Thenoflyzone
29 Post contains images kgaiflyer : And depending on the day of the week (or the phases of the moon) it could also have been an E190 or a 767 on YYZ-YYC.
30 wn676 : I know they've been pretty regular on CLT-DFW but it looks like they stopped on the 20th of last month. That's why I was curious to know what flight
31 heathrow : How dissappointing! After a while, I stopped selecting my seats in advance, because I'd get a great 321 seat, but not so great on the 320 Oh, I'm awa
32 RJLover : The 319 flies YYZ-YVR all the time. Mind you, I say that and there is only one 319 operating YYZ-YVR in the next couple of days! I have even seen the
33 USAirALB : I think PM US had all airbus aircraft EOW, sans the A321. I wonder why.. US used to have several 734 EOW, I don't think they do anymore, however. If
34 wn676 : All of the PMUS 320s and half of their 319 fleet are full EOW. Both 321 fleets and the other half of the PMUS 319s are certified for non-oceanic (or
35 Viscount724 : I was on an AC flight YVR-YYZ last December that was scheduled as a 763 but it turned out to be an A321.
36 wn700driver : No kidding. Everything but Saturdays will have seven RONs, eight if you include the 170 from republic. From the very end of E terminal, it literally
37 PBIflyguy : US runs 321's CLT-PBI in season, AC runs them from YYZ into PBI as well....seasonal.
38 wn676 : Right now it looks like you'll have two 321s returning in May and at least one daily 757 in June. Looking back, there's another city pair I missed; P
39 laca773 : AC seems to use their A32X fleet very effectively by being able to up & downgauge flights according to the demand on a daily basis. AF, KL, LX do
40 EWRkid1990 : Saw A US A321 at PIT in early march boarding for CLT
41 USAirALB : IIRC, the rafts were thrown out of the 734s after 9/11.
42 wn676 : They just recently started flying one roundtrip with an A321 on PHX-ORD in December (went back to a 320 for March/April) and will go to two daily nex
43 PHLwok : PHL-SFO is 2521 mi/4057 km while PHL-LAX is 2402 mi/3865 km. That, at least, is what US awards in terms of miles for flying each.
44 wn676 : Do they still have vests? Rafts aren't required for 162/100nm ops IIRC.
45 wn700driver : Wow, that would be great! We haven't had regular 752s in quite some time now. I did notice that our station is starting to stock 752 safety cards tho
46 laca773 : This is great. Thanks for the information, wn676. I appreciate it. I know US has sent 757s on their PHX-DCA-PHX flights a couple times a day in the p
47 wn676 : They have had A321s on both PHX-BOS-PHX and PHX-DCA (scheduled eastbound only) in the past, I think back near the end of '07 or beginning of '08. I d
48 Mainliner : US was also overnighting a 321 at ONT when the west side first began getting them. Not sure if they still send them there or not.
49 cofannyc : Here are the markets that US flies an A321 on at least once a week in May (or rather a sample week in May)... ATLCLT ATLPHX BOSCLT BWICLT CLTCUN CLTDE
50 wn676 : There were East 321s overnighting there too for a while. For now they don't send any, I believe that stopped last December.
51 8b775zq : ok one other question slightly off-topic but is it just that Airbus aircraft have a smoother touchdown than most Boeing aircraft or just a twist of fa
52 thenoflyzone : Ahh...yes....don't know how i missed that one... Thenoflyzone
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